Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[close_enough]

Close,

I'm sure the photos are revealing but I also know it would be a very delicate subject to write about and describe unless one is very adept at autopsy. In this case - I will be very surprised to hear very many details - similar to what was released by the media in the Vitale case - no way near all that was done to that poor woman. Also - the media had a complete copy of the AR in that case and did not publish it or go past what was first reported ( number of blows, defensive wounds or not, the stab wound and the carving) but it was much worse than what they let out to the public. I will be extremely surprised if the media links the AR when they receive it. JMO

i see what you're saying, RC.....interesting

 

[raisincharlie]

i see what you're saying, RC.....interesting

My SIL went and got a copy of the AR from the courthouse and sent it to us. Some of it I could figure - but most of it was way beyond me. We have a couple of Drs who keep horses here - they went through it and described stuff to me - I absolutely turned green over what happened to Pamela - I will not do that again let me tell you.:sick: for days...

 

[Samiya]

so you think it's possible that the media could have already seen these photos & not come out with a 'story' about them?
....i would think these photos would be very revealing... or maybe i'm wrong....

Hi Close,

The photos will only be revealing if someone knows exactly what they are looking at. For the public they will be hard to 'decipher' unless the final report is attached and that member of the public understands what it is saying.

To the general public it will only look like a murder victim with many wounds.

To add to that, I am concerned (add "astonished" to that too)that the public are able to see autopsy photos, as those photos will belong in the final report, not in the prelim. They are part of a 'package' so to speak. If it is a murder case, those photos will be used as a part of the evidence of the crime committed upon the body to show the presiding court. IMO they should not be available to the public beforehand to view or otherwise. That could in fact taint a person who may be called in as part of the jury process later on. After the court issues are finalized and an establishment of guilt is found on a perp, that is another story.

Sami

 

[Samiya]

I will not do that again let me tell you.:sick: for days...

Oh, hugs RC

Now honey you know what they say about curiosity killing the cat..

tongue firmly planted in cheek, oh he!! I'll flatten it out so it touches both cheeks, lol.

I will be interested to see how RPD 'reports' on these photos

Sami

 

[close_enough]

Hi Close,

The photos will only be revealing if someone knows exactly what they are looking at. For the public they will be hard to 'decipher' unless the final report is attached and that member of the public understands what it is saying.

To the general public it will only look like a murder victim with many wounds.

To add to that, I am concerned (add "astonished" to that too)that the public are able to see autopsy photos, as those photos will belong in the final report, not in the prelim. They are part of a 'package' so to speak. If it is a murder case, those photos will be used as a part of the evidence of the crime committed upon the body to show the presiding court. IMO they should not be available to the public beforehand to view or otherwise. That could in fact taint a person who may be called in as part of the jury process later on. After the court issues are finalized and an establishment of guilt is found on a perp, that is another story.

Sami

ok...i see what you're saying also, Sami....the report would actually be more 'telling' than the photos...makes sense...

i must agree with you...i don't think these photos should be available for the public...at least not now anyway, BUT there's so many things that are made "public record", i guess it does make sense.....hmmmmm

i know with the Groene case up in Idaho, there were gobs of pages listing everything LE found in the home....where the bodies were found, all the blood etc....it read almost as if the person reading was walking along with the investigator, through the home....very creepy stuff

 

[raisincharlie]

Oh, hugs RC

Now honey you know what they say about curiosity killing the cat..

tongue firmly planted in cheek, oh he!! I'll flatten it out so it touches both cheeks, lol.

I will be interested to see how RPD 'reports' on these photos

Sami

Sami,

There use to be a cartoon series on TV about Curious George (a little monkey), I grew up with the nickname of "Curious George". I was a sick cat for sure but I made it.

Yes - it will be interesting to see how RPD reports them, hope he adds the IMO. I noticed the thread he started about it is gone - he did post a link from the ME office that explaned that such photos are public record and anyone can go see them, just could not get a copy of them except for teaching purposes. I'll hunt to see if I can find the same link.

 

[close_enough]

well, i'm off to bed to think about this "airport" thing..... :waitasec:

see yall tomorrow!

 

[scandi]

Oh my gosh, I run to the store and you guys are running away with posts! And I'm still laughin' at many of them. You guys are the greatest Sleuther pals :blowkiss:

You have probably read that little thread at CTV, but it does not include viewing any report, only the photos. So Sami is so right. Unless RPD is trained in that field, he will only see 'boo boos' and bruising which there might be. Evidently the report is not final and published until the Coroner signs it. That must be a political thing, as after 2 mos it had to be done long ago. In the Robb case it was only a week and a half and it was out!~

Wonder why he's waiting till Thursday to go! I think he said it is state law that autopsy photos are public property, and that is why the post a notice in the paper for their viewing.

 

[raisincharlie]

G' nite Close - get better


Sami,

Here is the link about being able to see the photos:


http://www.ocme.unc.edu/newsletter/fall2005.shtml

 

[scandi]

I had a Curious George Monkey too, a fuzzy huggy one that I loved when I was a teen I think.

That is odd that RPD deleted the thread, don't you think. He wasn't saying anything out of line or illegal. He said he read about it in the paper.
We'll just have to wait and see what we read on Thurs eve, right.


Scandi

He wasn't fuzzy, but made out of brown and white woven material that was so soft. I haven't thought about him in a looooong time.

 

[Samiya]

I had a Curious George Monkey too, a fuzzy huggy one that I loved when I was a teen I think.

That is odd that RPD deleted the thread, don't you think. He wasn't saying anything out of line or illegal. He said he read about it in the paper.

We'll just have to wait and see wh t we read on Thurs eve, right.

Not odd

I think he's just being extra careful after the MF Embezzlement thing.

Sami

 

[scandi]

Oh, I bet you're right Sami. I am quite sure he is pretty close to the situation thru his wife, a soriety sister of Chelle's. I re-read some of his earlier posts earlier tonight. I was quite surprised he actually thought JY would drive 179 miles to Blacksburn and back to Raleigh and then back up to Blacksburn. That isn't even logical. My right eye started to twitch a bit after reading that. LOL I always thought he was a Raleigh PD guy, but he says he isn't.

How's your grandgirlie? I remember when Ariel was born. It was such an incredible feelng to even hold her, she was so cute. She had a sleepy eye for about 2 weeks, and that passed and we stopped worrying about it. On Jan 2nd she turned Sweet Sixteen. She's a young lady now. Amazing how quickly the time went ;}

 

[raisincharlie]

Not odd

I think he's just being extra careful after the MF Embezzlement thing.

Sami

As he should be. Since you have broached the subject about MF - do you have an opinion as to the source of this rumor now that we are aware that JY was confronted by LE at Meredith's house the night he returned to Raleigh and in light of learning that LF has not seen her grand baby since MY's murder ? Now that is a major compound sentence.

 

[ialy]

any links as to Meredith's my space or the info that has had people speak of her as immature/irresponsible? -- I somehow missed why all of that was thught of her. thanks -- you all are so great!

 

[raisincharlie]

any links as to Meredith's my space or the info that has had people speak of her as immature/irresponsible? -- I somehow missed why all of that was thught of her. thanks -- you all are so great!

ialy

Sorry I do not have a link to Meredith's Myspace and can't seem to find one for you. Hold on a bit - someone else may have it handy. The last I heard, the Myspace listing was turned private - I could however be wrong.

I do not recall a conversation here about MF being immature or irresponsible. I have seen these comments on another board -specifically CTV - you might check there.

 

[scandi]

RPD said tonight that he asked CW to delete the thread, and after he had gone to view the photos he would then post, if there was anything to say. I thought that was a answer.

 

[Samiya]

As he should be. Since you have broached the subject about MF - do you have an opinion as to the source of this rumor now that we are aware that JY was confronted by LE at Meredith's house the night he returned to Raleigh and in light of learning that LF has not seen her grand baby since MY's murder ? Now that is a major compound sentence.

The rumour could've come from anywhere. I don't think it would've come from an SS considering that they're supposed to be a group of friends dedicated to each other in some weird form (sorry, lol we don't have sorority's over here, lol). It obviously came from someone who has an issue with Meredith herself and the fact that her address was used for the sending of the cheques. Now considering the small amount of time to set up the fund, that was not unusual to use her address before a post office box is arranged.

Let's face it, if Meredith's reputation is 'sullied', she isn't exactly going to look like a 'credible witness' is she?

I am glad Coldwater removed that thread because is was the biggest load of BS I've ever read and I was stunned how many 'followed' considering no proof of the matter was given.

JMO

Sami

 

[Samiya]

any links as to Meredith's my space or the info that has had people speak of her as immature/irresponsible? -- I somehow missed why all of that was thught of her. thanks -- you all are so great!

You used to be able to get a google cache on the page. Some might have viewed her as somewhat 'immature' from seeing her page but I can say this.

MySpace is a fun place for most people who have a page there. You get to post crap about yourself and answer silly quiz questions as well as gather up 'MySpace friends'. How a person is in real life can't be measured by their MySpace pages, lol. Not all those answers are true and ther's plenty of wmen her age who are into fun things like that.

I haven't checked for a link to Meredith from MyDeathSpace. I will though. She shouldn't be linked to from there because she was not the one murdered, but she may be because Michelle was her sister. I don't have any idea of how to get her removed from MDS if she is listed but I have a darn good argument that I will use agaisnt them if I find that they have linked her to that website.

Usually MDS is only for those who have died who had MySpace memberships.

Sami

 

[Bee Charmer]

Good morning everyone. I am very curious too
about how RPD is going to post about viewing those photos.
Seems to me he will be walking a very fine line with Coldwater,
as to his opinion and actual facts of this case. Looking forward
to his thread on the subject.

Regarding Rod Wheeler, I don't think he did misspeak. IMO, he
may have insider info. If he did make a mistake about the
airport, I wonder why Kim didn't correct him?

 

[strach304]

i don't know though...."things" were done to her body.... :waitasec:

This is from last night and I saw it then but didn't get to post on it then because I've been sick and daughters were here to help so I did have another theory I wanted to suggest. Many of us followed the Laci case so we should know this and Sami recently brought up a point about Michele going into labor but I can't remember what the proper term for that is. Possibly not considered by many of us that followed Laci's case because Michele wasn't as far along as Laci?

My thoughts in relation to your post Close and the others about what was done to Michele may simply have been that poster on ctv and her husbands take on what was told to them by MY's father. For instance if the birthing process started or whatever or the water was broken, etc. maybe from that info they just assumed the baby had been forcefully taken or something when in fact was a natural occurrence. That poster did say her husband didn't want to ask questions. Could also give an indication of what the other poster remarked about something being missing.

I think it's possible because it also falls in line with the other conflicting posts I mentioned as to what Michele was or wasn't wearing when found and speculation about a sexual assault. It's very unlikely some crazed female wanting a baby would do this because Michele wasn't far
enough along. Good indicator also to LE at the time that it wasn't random if they originally thought taking the baby was the motive. There was so much blood I'd imagine they might not know just like in the Robb case where they initially thought she was shot.