Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 15.

[strach304]

When are we going to hear something on this case? I am getting impatient, not necessarily for an arrest but something in the media to highlight it and a statement from LE to the public on the status of the case or something. Maybe I'm just used to the Laci case where there were many things practically daily. That was the first case that I ever immersed myself in here.

 

[pack_fan]

Alright, been thinking and I know that is dangerous.....

I think Jake may be correct that the perp showered after commiting the deed. There was mention of looking for dna in drains and so forth but don't think this would be helpful since JY lived in the home. Obviously he had showered there many times before.

First of all, I suspect that the drops on the explorer are blood if JY is the perp. I had expected to see a bit of blood in the vehicle since Michelle had been so brutally beaten but the shower theory makes sense, thanks Jake!!!!! I suspect that he showered after the fact but took bloody clothes or murder weapon or both and dumped them in the backseat. Obviously tried to wrap them up but those pesky drops just slipped right out. I don't buy that he planned ahead enough to wear scrubs or anything of the nature. I think he was covered in blood and had to shower after the fact. I'm still leaning toward this being pre med but very shortly before. Something to the effect of an arguement or threats of divorce. That counselor is going to play a big role, at least I think that now. The accident and insurance information is strictly coincidental imo.....

 

[philamena]

I wouldn't think they'd still be waiting. I would have thought this case would have received priority.

There was one 'insider' at CTV that an arrest would be made at the end of the month. I'm kind of hanging on that.

I will say that LE has had to start from scratch on this case. JY clammed up immediately. I'm kind of ticked off that LE did not get to present him with the news that his wife had been murdered. As well as looking at his demeanor, they would have caught him AND his family right off guard and could have done some questioning.

Thing is, nobody knew JY was going to be in Bevard aside from JY & his parents. I understand it was JYs friends who contacted the parents and told him to get a lawyer because of the questions LE were asking. These friends must have kept it to themselves that they were going to phone the parents, I think. JY lucked out because of it.

I think the cops were pizzed about that too from the sounds of the call they made to JY during his ride back to Raleigh.

jilly,
Thanks so much for the reply. I've been following this case along with you all and I am dumbfounded that there hasn't been an arrest yet. I'm surprised JY hasn't left the country.

 

[pack_fan]

When are we going to hear something on this case? I am getting impatient, not necessarily for an arrest but something in the media to highlight it and a statement from LE to the public on the status of the case or something. Maybe I'm just used to the Laci case where there were many things practically daily. That was the first case that I ever immersed myself in here.

Don't know strach, frustrating for sure. Just hope that there is an end in sight and the perp, whomever it may be, will be punished accordingly for this horrible crime.

I am encouraged by the fact that LE nor the Fishers have been on camera begging for help. I can't speak for LF but I beleive that she would be screaming from the roof tops if LE had not kept her informed and at least feel like they are moving in the right direction. JMO of course, but I think the silence could be more encouraging than if LE was "lost" and hoping the public could provide some insight.

Obviously there has been total crap printed about LE using JY as bait so they can catch the real killer but totally rediculous imo. Every search warrant has been directly related to JY. I think they beleive that JY is the perp but must have a very stong case since I beleive it will be a death penalty case.

 

[pack_fan]

Sami (or anyone who knows),

How much would a medical examiner be able to tell from autopsy on an "attempted" strangulation and how much would actually make it to the autopsy report? Reasoning is this. I'm not convinced that the perp was trying to strangle her to kill her. I think he was trying to control her and hold her down. I assume the ME would be able to tell by bruising if the perp uses one hand or two. Seems that one hand would cause markings on the side of the neck where two hands would make more sense for the bruising to be on the front and back of the neck.

I think the perp brought a weapon into the house rather than grabbing something out of the bedroom after failing to strangle Michelle and the "strangulation" marks on the neck will show that it was one hand rather than two. One to hold, one to swing.

 

[scandi]

Hi PackFan, Interesting about the idea of the perp tossing a bundle of bloody accoutrements to the crime into the car, and I also could see the drips flying out. They were droplets I think, and don't those have a little tail on them, as opposed to a drop?

Here I go back to that rumor at CTV about blood residue on the floor mats, door and steering wheel. Do you think it strange if this is indeed true it was not mentioned in any document we read? Oh, maybe not, if it was not immediately visible to the eye. Do you think that rumor could be true? Wouldn't that put him at the scene of her death if it was her blood {which the rumor says}.

Maybe it isn't good enough to warrant an arrest if they have no evidence of him leaving the motel room - no cameras caught him, etc.

Scandi

 

[scandi]

Sami (or anyone who knows),

How much would a medical examiner be able to tell from autopsy on an "attempted" strangulation and how much would actually make it to the autopsy report? Reasoning is this. I'm not convinced that the perp was trying to strangle her to kill her. I think he was trying to control her and hold her down. I assume the ME would be able to tell by bruising if the perp uses one hand or two. Seems that one hand would cause markings on the side of the neck where two hands would make more sense for the bruising to be on the front and back of the neck.

I think the perp brought a weapon into the house rather than grabbing something out of the bedroom after failing to strangle Michelle and the "strangulation" marks on the neck will show that it was one hand rather than two. One to hold, one to swing.

I don't know lol, but good point. I tried to look at the amount of bruising which would tell the order of the BFInjuries in trying to figure that out.

Wonder what Sami thinks about that attempted strangulation from looking at the AR? His other hand must have been busy to just have her neck by one hand, right? I always thought he held her head down, gripping her neck hard with his right hand and gave her a chop to the lips with his left hand - the wedding ring cutting her lips. It stunned her and she tried to escape, falling to the floor as he reached for the flashlight he had brought upstairs with him.

Scandi

 

[pack_fan]

Hi PackFan, Interesting about the idea of the perp tossing a bundle of bloody accoutrements to the crime into the car, and I also could see the drips flying out. They were droplets I think, and don't those have a little tail on them, as opposed to a drop?

Here I go back to that rumor at CTV about blood residue on the floor mats, door and steering wheel. Do you think it strange if this is indeed true it was not mentioned in any document we read? Oh, maybe not, if it was not immediately visible to the eye. Do you think that rumor could be true? Wouldn't that put him at the scene of her death if it was her blood {which the rumor says}.

Maybe it isn't good enough to warrant an arrest if they have no evidence of him leaving the motel room - no cameras caught him, etc.

Scandi

Don't ask me about those tails, I have been corrected before but I have to admit that I didn't pay close enough attention. I feel a reprimand coming on from someone.

You are right that the blood in the vehicle would probably not been mentioned in the warrant since it would not have been visible from the outside unless the door was open. I think the rear door was for some reason since the stain in the rear seat was mentioned. I think that the rear windows would have been tinted and not visable from the outside.

I don't really beleive that rumor scandi. I have to give Jake the nod on this one and go with the showering idea. Although I don't beleive his theories per se, I tend to beleive that he is indeed trying to help JY on this board and to me explains the lack of blood in the car.

I have to admit that I am a bit confused about the strangulation. At this moment, and I am going to change my mind again more than likely, I still think he was trying to hold her down and there was not really an attempt to kill her in this manner but obvious signs that he was holding on for dear life. I was surprised at the minimal damage to the facial area compared to the back of the head. Although it was very brutal, it is almost like he was ashamed to hit her in the face. The busted lip is minimal compared to the damage to the back of the head. I think most of the damage was done so the perp couldn't see her face. I know this sounds awful and I will apologize before hand, the lack of injuries to the face reminds me of a killer with a conscience almost. Hated her very much but wouldn't look her in the eye and didn't go after the unborn child.

 

[strach304]

Scandi, on the rumors of blood on the steering wheel, floor mats, etc. I just have to say from the SP case that I don't think the DA's office would have released that SUV if that were true. But it's just a feeling.

Pack Fan, yes you make very good points and we are in agreement on many issues so I'll tell you this. Yes I'm impatient but I think it's because there's no credible info or any news reports to hold us over until that arrest comes. I've always expected this would take awhile for many reasons. The dna being a primary point since Jason's should be there. I've also suggested drain cleaner or bleach could've been run into the tub, sinks, etc. We saw similar things in the SP case done. It is evidence but not a 100% that Jason did it. Michelle's and Jason's blood are expected to be there as well so again small and trace amounts may not prove anything 100% either.

As to premed or bad fight gone bad, I'm still open to both. But yes if the DA wants to pursue the DP on this case you bet that will take longer too I think. If Jason did this by him not speaking to LE that is imo that is the smartest thing he has done so far. Early on someone pointed out what a good law firm he has and they are making LE come up with their theory and then will try to blow holes in it. I'm also aware that he can demand a speedy trial so the DA must be ready. With as many theories as we've come up with for the same info I think that shows there are always going to be more than one way and some unknowns in the end anyway. We saw that also with Laci's case and those are the things these attorneys will be very shrewd about at trial.

 

[jilly]

Maybe the blood in the vehicle was his? In which case it's another piece of the puzzle imo.

I can't believe that for such a brutal crime that this case will not be solved & prosecuted successfully.

It couldn't be this easy to get away with murder, could it? If so, then this JY has horseshoes up his butt. There is so much in his favor here.

If he did do it, then I think this is probably the best client that Smith has ever had, to date. JY has obviously thought about other murderers who have been so stupid so as to convict themselves. I wonder how many conversations he had with his buddies about Scott Peterson. As we all know that case was nation-wide.

Right now, I think he planned this. Maybe only for a couple of days and I say that because of him telling his parents on the Thursday nite that he was going to visit them. I would like to know when he booked that hotel.

 

[j2mirish]

Man on man do you all have a lot of patience........................I keep coming back and reading--- I cannot believe there has been no arrest, or additional info released.........isnt it going on 5 months.......? I am beginning to think jy may have pulled this off- ( or he didnt do it ) and they have very little to go on---- and its not taking them anywhere-

 

[Utopia]

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Right now, I think he planned this. Maybe only for a couple of days and I say that because of him telling his parents on the Thursday nite that he was going to visit them. I would like to know when he booked that hotel.

Jilly,

I don't think knowing when he booked that hotel would be all that helpful in terms of establishing premeditation if he did indeed have a meeting scheduled the next day. If it was premeditated, it could have been planned around that meeting in order to provide an alibi - or it could have been a last minute event. Like you though, if he did do it, I'm leaning toward premeditation.

 

[strach304]

Maybe the blood in the vehicle was his? In which case it's another piece of the puzzle imo.

I can't believe that for such a brutal crime that this case will not be solved & prosecuted successfully.

It couldn't be this easy to get away with murder, could it? If so, then this JY has horseshoes up his butt. There is so much in his favor here.

If he did do it, then I think this is probably the best client that Smith has ever had, to date. JY has obviously thought about other murderers who have been so stupid so as to convict themselves. I wonder how many conversations he had with his buddies about Scott Peterson. As we all know that case was nation-wide.

Right now, I think he planned this. Maybe only for a couple of days and I say that because of him telling his parents on the Thursday nite that he was going to visit them. I would like to know when he booked that hotel.

Jilly, In Scandi's post #146 she says it's rumored to be Michelle's blood. I'm glad I found that quick because I didn't remember if that poster said blood or was specific about whose blood. If it was his and he was believed to be injured during the crime or his blood was found at the scene, some kind of connection with the two then I don't think they would have wanted to give it back so easily. Wouldn't they have at least taken the car mats, cut out leather or whatever?

 

[jilly]

Jilly,

I don't think knowing when he booked that hotel would be all that helpful in terms of establishing premeditation if he did indeed have a meeting scheduled the next day. If it was premeditated, it could have been planned around that meeting in order to provide an alibi - or it could have been a last minute event. Like you though, if he did do it, I'm leaning toward premeditation.

I see your point Utopia but I'm thinking the hotel is a planned part of the alibi. He didn't have to break up such a short journey with a hotel room imo. He could have driven to the place of the meeting the nite before and had a fresh start for the meeting or he could have headed out at 4am on the morning of the meeting and got there in plenty of time. I think it's a crock that he wanted to get a head start.

I agree, it's not going to prove in a Court that he planned the murder, but in my mind, it will!:crazy: If he booked the hotel the Thursday, (just like he phoned his parents) I think it's very suspicious.

 

[jilly]

Jilly, In Scandi's post #146 she says it's rumored to be Michelle's blood. I'm glad I found that quick because I didn't remember if that poster said blood or was specific about whose blood. If it was his and he was believed to be injured during the crime or his blood was found at the scene, some kind of connection with the two then I don't think they would have wanted to give it back so easily. Wouldn't they have at least taken the car mats, cut out leather or whatever?

Yikes Strach - I immediately thought - how did I miss that? I re read Scandi's post and I think she's responding to PacFan's speculation (#142). Or is there something else I've missed? I don't think we even know if it's blood or not, do we? That's what I should have said in my previous post - maybe it was JYs blood if it was blood? lol. We know pretty much nothing.

If it was blood - I'm not so sure that they would cut out that portion of the seat for a drop/droplet. I would think they could just photograph it, and analyze it. I guess, at the most right now, the fact that they returned the vehicle to him tells us that some of the lab work has come back.

 

[raisincharlie]

I see your point Utopia but I'm thinking the hotel is a planned part of the alibi. He didn't have to break up such a short journey with a hotel room imo. He could have driven to the place of the meeting the nite before and had a fresh start for the meeting or he could have headed out at 4am on the morning of the meeting and got there in plenty of time. I think it's a crock that he wanted to get a head start.

I agree, it's not going to prove in a Court that he planned the murder, but in my mind, it will!:crazy: If he booked the hotel the Thursday, (just like he phoned his parents) I think it's very suspicious.

I can't help but to think the therapist link is something huge, something that if JY is indeed the perp, he was very disturbed about. Given the proximity of Michelle seeing the therapist in relation to the date of her death - I have a feeling you could be correct Ms. Jilly.

 

[Scout]

Maybe the blood in the vehicle was his? In which case it's another piece of the puzzle imo.

I can't believe that for such a brutal crime that this case will not be solved & prosecuted successfully.

It couldn't be this easy to get away with murder, could it? If so, then this JY has horseshoes up his butt. There is so much in his favor here.

If he did do it, then I think this is probably the best client that Smith has ever had, to date. JY has obviously thought about other murderers who have been so stupid so as to convict themselves. I wonder how many conversations he had with his buddies about Scott Peterson. As we all know that case was nation-wide.

Right now, I think he planned this. Maybe only for a couple of days and I say that because of him telling his parents on the Thursday nite that he was going to visit them. I would like to know when he booked that hotel.

Has he been swallowing horseshoes, too?!

 

[j2mirish]

I can't help but to think the therapist link is something huge, something that if JY is indeed the perp, he was very disturbed about. Given the proximity of Michelle seeing the therapist in relation to the date of her death - I have a feeling you could be correct Ms. Jilly.

but if it was big......shouldnt there be some news or an arrest? dang nabbittt-

 

[jilly]

I can't help but to think the therapist link is something huge, something that if JY is indeed the perp, he was very disturbed about. Given the proximity of Michelle seeing the therapist in relation to the date of her death - I have a feeling you could be correct Ms. Jilly.

I agree with you about this therapist RC - And she sure wasn't seeing a therapist for having an old boyfriend show up imo. lol - lost some credibility for that poster this morning for throwing that idea out there!

Like someone else pointed out - there was so much going on in that poor woman's life leading up to her death, I'm sure she's not going to go to a therapist to complain about an old boyfriend.

Nopey nope. I think she went to a therapist to talk about JY and her crumbling marriage.

 

[jilly]

Has he been swallowing horseshoes, too?!

Bwaaaaaahahaha! :laugh:You're fast Scout!

By the way, you brought up an interesting point this morning (over there) about the friends of JYs and invited input from any psychologists.

I'm not a psychologist but was going to add my 2 bits before the thread closed.

I am not surprised by the actions of some of JYs friends. It's a sign of the times imo of the 'me world'. Briefly, it's my house, my kids and my friends The whole attitude today about entitlement and how dare anyone criticize them. It's about cheating and beating the system. Morals such as honesty and integrity are becoming a thing of the past.

I won't go on except to say that I think we are going to see a lot more men murdering their wives. Many have this sense today of instant gratification and if it means murdering your pregnant wife, so be it.

I'll now get off my amateur psychologist soap box.