Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 15.

[strach304]

Another point made about that side trip to brevard to get furniture when his friends were expected imo his friend could've helped him with it that night. It wouldn't have been an unreasonable hour by the time he got back. Also the info about the Money's canceling coming was for the HC game and not the same couple who was coming to spend the weekend at Michelle and Jasons house.

I for one am convinced the attorney was obtained while still in Brevard. LE first made brief statements saying they had only spoken to Jason briefly on the phone right after he first found out. Then the most recent statement made by Sheriff Harrison he stated Jason was not cooperating and the one time LE did talk to him briefly he referred them to his attorney. He has also said on several occasions that he would like to speak with Jason. Put that with the insiders info on friends telling him right away to get a lawyer and the stories of LE's harsh statements and questions to Jason during the 1st conversation and imo only one (phone) He had his attorney for the NTO.

Feel free to correct any info to mine because I know there's other details not jumping right to mind.

 

[liveoutloud]

Jilly,

My thought is they arrived at Meredith's between 1030 and 1130 pm. And yes I believe that Roger Smith was on board before JY left Brevard or else while JY was enroute to Raleigh - we do know he refused to speak at length with LE and did refer them to his lawyer.

I do not believe gojo about the lights and sirens - I believe there was LE at Meredith's house before JY was close to Raleigh. I say that because at that time LE most likely did not know exactly what they were dealing with - there would have been concern for the safety of both Meredith and Cassidy. Also LE would have kept Meredith segragated from others as long as possible since she found Michelle. So as far as I am concerned - gojo is nogo on that one. It is possible that other LE officials arrived after JY, most likely that is true as the SW clearly indicates Johnson arrived after the vehicle was detained and that he arrived on 11/4-remember Michelle was found at 130 pm 11/3.

One thing I noticed about the warrant was it did take until 4 am for the officer to return to Meredith's house to serve the warrant on JY. 45 minutes travel time from Raleigh to Fuguay Varina ?

Raisin (is that from raison d'etre?)
That brings up another puzzling scenario for me. All of the various Team JY members, and I think that group is much larger than it appears on the surface, of late (crucial distinction), have stated that it was LE's pointed interrogation of JY's friends that supposedly led them to contact JY and say, "man, you need a lawyer..." Early in the case--and this is what the press reported as well,--it was stated that JY's stepfather was responsible for JY lawyering up so quickly. Now, Team Jy is going with the friends of JY's advising him to get a lawyer, yada yada. I remember thinking to myself. Self, I said, just how in hades were those cops going to set up the crime scene, assure Cassidy's safety and well being, notify NOK (which it appears they did not do? Big no no to me), rope off the area, get MF calmed down and attended to by medical and or pastoral personnel so that she could be questioned--the hard questions, mind you--by LE. They were doing all of this and yet found time to interview friends of JY? I say no.

 

[liveoutloud]

Another point made about that side trip to brevard to get furniture when his friends were expected imo his friend could've helped him with it that night. It wouldn't have been an unreasonable hour by the time he got back. Also the info about the Money's canceling coming was for the HC game and not the same couple who was coming to spend the weekend at Michelle and Jasons house.

I for one am convinced the attorney was obtained while still in Brevard. LE first made brief statements saying they had only spoken to Jason briefly on the phone right after he first found out. Then the most recent statement made by Sheriff Harrison he stated Jason was not cooperating and the one time LE did talk to him briefly he referred them to his attorney. He has also said on several occasions that he would like to speak with Jason. Put that with the insiders info on friends telling him right away to get a lawyer and the stories of LE's harsh statements and questions to Jason during the 1st conversation and imo only one (phone) He had his attorney for the NTO.

Feel free to correct any info to mine because I know there's other details not jumping right to mind.

Strach:

I remember having the same questions. Did that article that spoke of JY's "brief" response to LE consist of a phone call or was that in person? I had always thought that he would have gone to the house first and run smack into WCSD, got out of the car and they asked if he was who they thought he was and he replied in the affirmative and then gave them his attorneys name and told them all to have a good day y'all. Now, if I am a LEO, I'm not wearing my happy face right then. As for the furniture = Brevard thing? I think that was one of gojos having a little too much to drink one night and decided he would embellish a bit. It came straight out of left field and maybe it was designed to do just that but as it was it was not credible. Rhett Fussell. JY's friend or is he MY's friend? His commentary on Brevard as planned destination after business meeting. Why would he lie? Or maybe the better question, why would he lie about the lie? Now tonight on CTV they're talking about a luncheon MY had with Rhett a few days before her death. I do remember hearing that, do you? None of what I just posted makes any dang sense. Make the best of it please?

 

[raisincharlie]

Raisin (is that from raison d'etre?)
That brings up another puzzling scenario for me. All of the various Team JY members, and I think that group is much larger than it appears on the surface, of late (crucial distinction), have stated that it was LE's pointed interrogation of JY's friends that supposedly led them to contact JY and say, "man, you need a lawyer..." Early in the case--and this is what the press reported as well,--it was stated that JY's stepfather was responsible for JY lawyering up so quickly. Now, Team Jy is going with the friends of JY's advising him to get a lawyer, yada yada. I remember thinking to myself. Self, I said, just how in hades were those cops going to set up the crime scene, assure Cassidy's safety and well being, notify NOK (which it appears they did not do? Big no no to me), rope off the area, get MF calmed down and attended to by medical and or pastoral personnel so that she could be questioned--the hard questions, mind you--by LE. They were doing all of this and yet found time to interview friends of JY? I say no.

Bingo - right on the money. LE had too much else going on to worry about JY's friends unless they went to Meredith's in which case LE would have been perfectly in line to question the snot out of people showing up anywhere near that baby given the circumstances under which she was found.

 

[Utopia]

:laugh:

gojo is nogo

I've never used that little guy before, but that deserves it! (Beats my penguins!)

Speaking of penguins, Strach, you didn't take the kids did you? If so, they would likely be bored silly, hope you enjoyed it though.

liveoutloud - may I call you LOL? (it seems appropriate). You mentioned that you thought the JY team was getting larger but I thought it was actually getting smaller - same people recycled. That Catewhatever sounds an awful lot like mimi

 

[Kadie]

"John" is Gojo, Netbrood, dkjack, or whatever incarnation he feels like being who is a friend of the Young family. He posted his real name there himself and seems to have a real vendetta against RPD if you know who that is. He is a poster here and there who provides useful and accurate info on the case that seems to bother some.

To me that is just craaaaazy??????? Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that you are right on with the theory that "John" is all of those nics and more......but I just can't fathom someone doing that. Guess that must mean I am a little bit sane? :0) Hubby may disagree! LOL

Yes, I also agree that he and the other Camp JY posters totally dislike RPD. Oh well........RPD seems to have a reliable source and if he does end up posting some type of "wrong" information, he admits he made a mistake...and moves on.

I hope OutsidetheBox was correct and an arrest or maybe even some type of info is released on March 31. (which I might add is a Saturday)!

 

[jilly]

Just popping in to read. Liveoutloud and Utopia (better late than never) - Welcome!! Good to have you aboard!

Strach - You are never boring!:blowkiss:

I'll comment more later...but in the meantime Liveoutloud - Are you saying you don't think LE notified the Youngs' about the death. I was thinking that LE might have phoned there looking for JY and maybe broke the news to them. Big mistake, I think. But I've mentioned this before. I think at some point the friend(s) called and between them & McIntyre, they decided to get JY a lawyer.

I wouldn't be surprised if LE interviewed one or more of the friends. How that happened I don't know but I think if I remember right there were 20 detectives assigned right away to the case.

Strach - thanks for the info on the friends who were staying. That now makes sense. The guy was apparently a long time friend of JYs and Michelle did not know the wife well. It somehow didn't register with me that this couple replaced the Moneys'.duh!

I wonder if this couple showed up at the Youngs' while LE was setting up the crime scene. I had heard that they found out during the drive to Raleigh & decided to carry on to offer their support.

 

[Kadie]

:laugh:
That Catewhatever sounds an awful lot like mimi

Someone pointed out that on CTV last night. They actually said something like Mimi left at 4:29 and Cate started posting at 5:02. It was an interesting post from someone who doesn't post alot over there. Does anyone remember that?

 

[raisincharlie]

To me that is just craaaaazy??????? Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that you are right on with the theory that "John" is all of those nics and more......but I just can't fathom someone doing that. Guess that must mean I am a little bit sane? :0) Hubby may disagree! LOL

Yes, I also agree that he and the other Camp JY posters totally dislike RPD. Oh well........RPD seems to have a reliable source and if he does end up posting some type of "wrong" information, he admits he made a mistake...and moves on.

I hope OutsidetheBox was correct and an arrest or maybe even some type of info is released on March 31. (which I might add is a Saturday)!

Don't worry lovely Kadie - you hang around us long enough, that "little bit sane" will disappear as well

 

[Samiya]

Bingo - right on the money. LE had too much else going on to worry about JY's friends unless they went to Meredith's in which case LE would have been perfectly in line to question the snot out of people showing up anywhere near that baby given the circumstances under which she was found.

Hey Raisin,

Why am I left thinking..........

:how the heck did LE get through on the cell phone to speak to Jason's mom when his friends were all ringing him telling him to get a Lawyer.:

someone's :liar:

lmao pmsl cack my dacks!

Sami

 

[jake]

SNIPPED-------------------

"John" is Gojo, Netbrood, dkjack, or whatever incarnation he feels like being who is a friend of the Young family. He posted his real name there himself and seems to have a real vendetta against RPD if you know who that is. He is a poster here and there who provides useful and accurate info on the case that seems to bother some.

__________________________

Howdy,

Nope, John is not Netbrood. That crazy guy is....someone else. I have to be careful here so I don't get kicked off. But I did want to correct that information.

This is my favorite board because everyone here seems to be serious posters. But I am handicapped because I have been warned already that I will be kicked off if I say the wrong thing or say it with the wrong attitude.

I enjoy reading the comments on this board, though. And I do have information that I could share. But some people think I share information only to gain attention for myself. So I have become a little reluctant to answer questions.

Jake

 

[Kadie]

Does anyone have any info about JY's new job? Bud posted over at CTV that he was possibly starting a new job close to Brevard........forget the name of the town, sorry...medical sales I believe it was.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hey Raisin,

Why am I left thinking..........

:how the heck did LE get through on the cell phone to speak to Jason's mom when his friends were all ringing him telling him to get a Lawyer.:

someone's :liar:

lmao pmsl cack my dacks!

Sami

You are left thinking because you are rational while trying to understand that which is not rational.

Good question - bet LE called a zillion times and left a voicemail so they could use that later in a search warrant with the probable cause section reading "he was frequently checking his voicemail"

 

[Kadie]

Don't worry lovely Kadie - you hang around us long enough, that "little bit sane" will disappear as well

OH GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! Will forewarn hubby and the rest of the family! Thanks !!

 

[Kadie]

__________________________

Howdy,

Nope, John is not Netbrood. That crazy guy is....someone else. I have to be careful here so I don't get kicked off. But I did want to correct that information.

This is my favorite board because everyone here seems to be serious posters. But I am handicapped because I have been warned already that I will be kicked off if I say the wrong thing or say it with the wrong attitude.

I enjoy reading the comments on this board, though. And I do have information that I could share. But some people think I share information only to gain attention for myself. So I have become a little reluctant to answer questions.

Jake

Oh come on Jake........feel free to share!

 

[strach304]

Bingo - right on the money. LE had too much else going on to worry about JY's friends unless they went to Meredith's in which case LE would have been perfectly in line to question the snot out of people showing up anywhere near that baby given the circumstances under which she was found.

Let me just add to that if the same friends are the out of towners who showed up anyway after finding out about Michelle on the phone but knew nothing of Jasons new overnight plans to stay at his mothers house what would you think? The fax is a fluke too? I know what I think and I'm not LE.

 

[raisincharlie]

OH GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! Will forewarn hubby and the rest of the family! Thanks !!

You are quite welcome !

 

[Samiya]

Howdy,

Nope, John is not Netbrood.

Jake

Jake,

I will stick by you on that one.

Jake definitely wasn't netbrood...fact.

Sami

 

[strach304]

__________________________

Howdy,

Nope, John is not Netbrood. That crazy guy is....someone else. I have to be careful here so I don't get kicked off. But I did want to correct that information.

This is my favorite board because everyone here seems to be serious posters. But I am handicapped because I have been warned already that I will be kicked off if I say the wrong thing or say it with the wrong attitude.

I enjoy reading the comments on this board, though. And I do have information that I could share. But some people think I share information only to gain attention for myself. So I have become a little reluctant to answer questions.

Jake

Yes, I know that now. Thank You. :blushing:

 

[liveoutloud]

Bingo - right on the money. LE had too much else going on to worry about JY's friends unless they went to Meredith's in which case LE would have been perfectly in line to question the snot out of people showing up anywhere near that baby given the circumstances under which she was found.

I agree. I have heard they had a lot of investigators on the scene so I suppose they could have freed up one or two to interrogate but who? Seems to me their first priority was three-fold. One, make sure that baby was ok. No injuries, no dehydration, etc., that kind of thing. Two, notification of the victims next next of kin (since they had MF). MF would have known JY's phone number. I can see her in my mind's eye right now, pulling out her cell phone to call Jason and the WCSD officers saying gently but by no means indecisively, "no, Ma'am, we'll handle that..." I think MF would have been doing more of the same thing she had done on the 911 call--volunteer any information that came to mind. She was in shock and I'll bet it was evident to the LEO present too. She either knew he was planning on going to Brevard (which is the reason I am thinking he gave her for going over there to retrieve it, extending his arrival back home past MY's return from work time AND planting the alibi seed) or she had his cell phone from the voice mail's he had left or both. In either or any event, LE knew how to contact him. How JY's parents got the information is anybody's guess. Anyway, number three priority was questioning MF. They had to talk her down, you know they did and that would take time. When did they go to MF's house? Was that part of a search that MF gave permission for? Probably. All of this took TIME. Where in here is there time to talk to JY's friends? I don't think there is any.