Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 15.

[raisincharlie]

Howdy,

You (and others) seem to make no allowance for the grieving of a man who has had his wife and baby boy beaten to death.

Jason is fortunate to have family and friends who will help him in his time of need.

--Jake

Well, I will agree with you very openly about myself not making an allowance for the possibility JY is grieving, can't speak for anyone else. I don't perceive his actions either before the murder of his wife and child or after that murder as being the actions of a person who really had any thought for them period. I also see his presence in Brevard as hiding and his inability to manage his own affairs and return to Raleigh as a certain identification with guilt. Just my take and JMO.

 

[5bigfish5]

So is she expected to just take time from her job and family to handle JYs affairs for him? I fail to see why an unemployed, healthy male can't manage to take charge of his own affairs instead of allowing these additional burdens to be placed on family members. Proximity to Raleigh is a pretty poor excuse IMO.

Hi Raisin Charlie,

Why not use his own sister? He certainly had no compunction about using Michelle's sister to discover his little late night handiwork.

Besides, Aberdeen isn't exactly what I would consider right around the corner from Raleigh.

5bigfish5

 

[Barney Fife]

Jake,

Back to your bloody shoe print that you said was obviously smaller than Jason's foot. I assume this was in the master bath ? As they did with the carpet under Michelle, any prints in carpet would be cut out for lab analysis. Well I guess I just answered my own question....sorry.

Not only was it answered , it was confirmed by dkjack on the other board.
A bloody print on the bath floor as well as blood in the shower. Very intersting indeed.

 

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

cause the what he did do
--expains why he didnt do the other things

I agree j2mirish !

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi Raisin Charlie,

Why not use his own sister? He certainly had no compunction about using Michelle's sister to discover his little late night handiwork.

Besides, Aberdeen isn't exactly what I would consider right around the corner from Raleigh.

5bigfish5

Checking Map Quest - in the neighborhood of 70 miles or an hour 20 minute drive time roughly to Birchleaf. IMO, the list of those used is more extensive.

 

[raisincharlie]

Jake,

I know the lamp and sheet rock wall by the bed that had blood spatter were not removed by lE. However, there were other sections of sheet rock removed from the house. Do you recall where in the room or bathroom this was ? Bloody finger /palm prints were most likely cut out.

Barney,

If I am not mistaken, there could be other reasons for certain areas of sheet rock to be taken besides a bloody print. One example worth considering is perhaps the sheet rock was removed to compare against various weapons. For instance what if during the struggle, the weapon was swung, missing Michelle but hitting the wall ? This could leave an impression of the weapon - assistance in identifying what that weapon was. Perhaps a fist, the size could prossibly be determined.

Not sure that I would assume removed sheetrock relates only to prints.

 

[snowshuze]

Barney,

If I am not mistaken, there could be other reasons for certain areas of sheet rock to be taken besides a bloody print. One example worth considering is perhaps the sheet rock was removed to compare against various weapons. For instance what if during the struggle, the weapon was swung, missing Michelle but hitting the wall ? This could leave an impression of the weapon - assistance in identifying what that weapon was. Perhaps a fist, the size could prossibly be determined.

Not sure that I would assume removed sheetrock relates only to prints.

That's an excellent point, raisin.
If by chance the murder weapon WERE a maglite, and the maglite hit the wall......paint traces possibly could be matched?

 

[Barney Fife]

Barney,

If I am not mistaken, there could be other reasons for certain areas of sheet rock to be taken besides a bloody print. One example worth considering is perhaps the sheet rock was removed to compare against various weapons. For instance what if during the struggle, the weapon was swung, missing Michelle but hitting the wall ? This could leave an impression of the weapon - assistance in identifying what that weapon was. Perhaps a fist, the size could prossibly be determined.

Not sure that I would assume removed sheetrock relates only to prints.

I was hoping Jake could tell us where in the room the sheet rock was cut out. Guess my question scared him off ? Ya'll are probably right. It could be many things other than a bloody print.

I found this passage
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]From WRAL 11-15-06


"Over the course of the investigation, they have taken fingerprints from any person who had access to the house, including Young's husband, Jason Young, who gave his fingerprints under a court order."

"Just because someone is being fingerprinted does not mean they're a suspect.," said Sam Pennica, director for the City County Bureau of Identification, which is analyzing physical evidence in the case. "They must identify every single fingerprint found in the home."
[/FONT]

 

[raisincharlie]

That's an excellent point, raisin.
If by chance the murder weapon WERE a maglite, and the maglite hit the wall......paint traces possibly could be matched?

I can see that as being entirely possible Snowshuze.
I just don't think it is a good assumption to assume the removal of the sheet rock had anything to do with one specific item of evidence - as you wisely point out - there could be any number of reasons to collect that specific area. The very fact that it was removed leads me to think it is anything but a print actually.

 

[5bigfish5]

The perp that delivered the brutal beating to Michelle also probably worked up quite a sweat, they could have brushed up against a wall leaving that DNA behind.

For Example, IF Cassidy interrupted the beating, he may have gotten careless while trying to deal with her.

5bigfish5

 

[snowshuze]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]"Just because someone is being fingerprinted does not mean they're a suspect.," said Sam Pennica, director for the City County Bureau of Identification, which is analyzing physical evidence in the case. "They must identify every single fingerprint found in the home."[/FONT]

That's why my motor is not in overdrive waiting for an arrest, Barney. The sheer volume of evidence they are going through must be mind boggling.

Not to say, it would hurt my feeings if an arrest happened very soon.

 

[raisincharlie]

I was hoping Jake could tell us where in the room the sheet rock was cut out. Guess my question scared him off ? Ya'll are probably right. It could be many things other than a bloody print.

I found this passage
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]From WRAL 11-15-06[/FONT]


[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]"Over the course of the investigation, they have taken fingerprints from any person who had access to the house, including Young's husband, Jason Young, who gave his fingerprints under a court order."[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]"Just because someone is being fingerprinted does not mean they're a suspect.," said Sam Pennica, director for the City County Bureau of Identification, which is analyzing physical evidence in the case. "They must identify every single fingerprint found in the home."[/FONT]

I have no doubt that LE will definitely want to identify every print found in areas directly related to entry/exit and in particular the direct area of the crime scene. Elimination of potential suspects as well as reasonable doubt issues. Since Jason can't bring himself to tell LE who may have been in that house, I suspect there is a long list of persons to both identify through photographs, print, and cross check. Not exactly an overnight job if the photographs don't include everyone who could have been there at some point.

Hopefully LE has found the evite list !

 

[raisincharlie]

The perp that delivered the brutal beating to Michelle also probably worked up quite a sweat, they could have brushed up against a wall leaving that DNA behind.

For Example, IF Cassidy interrupted the beating, he may have gotten careless while trying to deal with her.

5bigfish5

Another possibility, I agree.

 

[scandi]

The perp that delivered the brutal beating to Michelle also probably worked up quite a sweat, they could have brushed up against a wall leaving that DNA behind.

For Example, IF Cassidy interrupted the beating, he may have gotten careless while trying to deal with her.

5bigfish5

I agree Bigfish. I thought he used an awful lot of blows to accomplish what he did. One blow missed I think and hit her shoulder, and those wounds to the back of the head didn't seem right on target. Of course her hair could have been the reason for that.

 

[strach304]

I thought it was in a warrant that they did take the lamp?

Jake, your first post to me today did clear up the confusion I had about the contradicting points I didn't understand.

Jake, the other post you quoted me on about relying on rumors I think you misunderstood. I did clearly state that we didn't need rumors to determine that Jason was unhappy in his marriage. My reasons were stated imo.

 

[strach304]

DD and RC, you both have caught my interest with the info about the warrants and inventory and can answer a question straight out for me I think.

I have wondered when I heard about jewelry and cash being missing if LE took it for evidence. Now, I know it's possible that his lawyer may have that in the warrant inventory list but JG and the sister wouldn't know that right? Possibly it was sealed and sent straight to Jason or his attorney?

 

[raisincharlie]

DD and RC, you both have caught my interest with the info about the warrants and inventory and can answer a question straight out for me I think.

I have wondered when I heard about jewelry and cash being missing if LE took it for evidence. Now, I know it's possible that his lawyer may have that in the warrant inventory list but JG and the sister wouldn't know that right? Possibly it was sealed and sent straight to Jason or his attorney?

Smith will have a copy of items removed from the house. LE will have a video tape and photographs to back up where those things were located and the condition they were in when collected. Doubt Smith has a copy of this however. I seriously doubt that anyone other than the lawyer and possibly JY has seen a copy of the inventory list and maybe JY himself hasn't seen it since he is hanging out in Brevard and sending his Sister to Raleigh on errands. There is no reason nor obligation for Smith to share this information with anyone other than Jason as he alone is the client.

Honestly I don't know if this part of the warrant is released or sealed - not going to drive the 1000 or so miles to the court house to find out either. I'm surprised a sleuth in Raleigh hasn't gone to find out.

 

[strach304]

Thanks RC Exactly what I wanted to know. Jewelry or other items may be missing but not necesarily stolen.

 

[The Saint]

Good Morning Saint, I just remembered that this was a special weekend because of the big game, and we learned that really right away in the case. So it wasn't really a cookout at their house, but rather one of those tailgate parties close to the University.

I remember because I wrote a post back then about all that Michelle had to do plus she would have had to go shopping for groceries and plan a menu, buy beer, etc. for the partee. We just didn't know then that they had a couple coming from out of town to spend the weekend with them or that MM and Steve were coming up either, who did cancel we learned later, due to their little boy being sick!

Off to run some errands, see you later in the morning!

I didn't know that MM and Steve were planning to come up and then canceled. Do you know what day they canceled? That would be one more reason for Jay to be angry. He must have been looking forward to sleeping with MM and now that wouldn't be happening.

Football or no football game, i think jay would be in a foul mood because
his lover wasn't coming up as planned.

imo

 

[The Saint]

Saint,

I am going to have to look that one up to be sure I answer correctly - I have found that NC has some rather unusual turns in laws concerning such matters. I will see what I can find and post it here.

I think we also need to remember that JY's lawyer has just as much of an interest in keeping some information sealed as does LE.

ETA - Smith is savvy - remember the article about him requesting the return of the SUV ? He got it back and it was entertaining to watch the boards at that point - the range of thought from there was no evidence found or they would have kept it to long time board members remembering that vehicles are often returned and seldom dragged into a courtroom as pictures work just fine, unless of course the vehicle is in fact the actual crime scene. This move was purely public relations and nothing more.

i don't know, RC. I was under the impression that heather and her husband REALLY needed those 2 winter coats that were in the SUV.

imo