Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[sweet peach]

Oh good - I'm not losing it- you're my new best friend That's who I thought she was appealing to - neighbors or those who had been in the neighborhood (delivery people etc).

BFF!

:blowkiss:

 

[Samiya]

I agree, jilly. It's almost as if she always suspected him and added that part in about "as trivial as you might think it is" for that matter. You know, like a neighbor may think it's trivial if they saw JY's car in the driveway at 3 am, but it's actually not at all trivial in this case. Does that make sense? JMO...

Perfect sense

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

Jake

We did a little snooping around on the register of deeds web site...faciscnating

1- Birchlief house was sold for $379k with a $$307k 1st mortgage. There is second mortgage of $57k. If he sold tomorrow, after paying the 6%, he has ZERO equity in the house

2- The town Home. Bought for $159k 2 years ago (bought Ryan Schaad out) and has 1st mortgage of $131k. + 2 equity loans of $15,500 and $15,900. ....ZERO equity here

I don't know Jake. Sounds like a bit of financial hurt with the 2nd baby on the way and Michelle going part time. I would be very stressed if this were my financial condition. That $1mm life policy could bail him out in more ways than one :twocents:

I suspect LE certainly is aware of this and maybe even included it in a round about way in a search warrant probable cause section. That warrant won't be thrown out Jake - there's your proof that LE has a clue and wasn't just trying to make JY look as bad as possible.

Thanks Barney !

 

[sweet peach]

Perfect sense

Sami

Thanks Sami. Love your CTV rap.

 

[raisincharlie]

RC,

I have always though that LF knew from the beginning. In her first plea to the public she asked for anyone who had seen or heard anything to come forward. Quote:

“I’m asking for anyone who has seen or heard anything, as trivial as you might think it is, anything, to please come forward, and help find the person who murdered our daughter."

She didn't ask if anyone knew who did this. I don't know...I may be reading too much into it but that just jumped out at me.

I'm sure Michelle poured her heart out to her mom during that two weeks. She was an emotional wreck at that point what with losing the baby etc.

I would think the reason jy didn't want Cassidy on the vacation was because he didn't feel it was right to expect others to babysit while he was having a good time. Perhaps all of them planned on going to a casino or whatever.

It would be good to know how many sessions Michelle had with the therapist. Sessions are usually 1 hour and you can talk alot during that time. The first few sessions involve mostly the client talking and the therapist getting a feel for the situation and asking a few of questions. So whatever she told the therapist in one or two sessions could be enough for LE to get a handle on the situation.jmo

Jilly,

I think LF knew from the beginning as well and I agree her statement seeking help pretty much said so. Ever notice how similar the wording was to one of Sharon Rocha's statements after Scooter was obviously a suspect ?

The deal with Cassidy really bugs me, something doesn't add up for me. The casino sounds acceptable but...hmmm, surely they weren't in a casino for 24hours a day, every day they were there. I just don't know, this one doesn't add up for me. ETA - one of those persons supposedly would "inherit" Cassidy if something happened, or so we have been told. Another hmmmm...

 

[The Saint]

Howdy,

I'm sorry you did not get to see the original story. You saw the corrected version. It was corrected after I let some people know the story was incomplete and left a false impression.

The Raleigh N&O didn't have the opportunity to correct their version because it was in print, unlike WRAL. However, the next day the N&O published an updated story also.

Here is the story as it appeared on Feb. 13 in the Raleigh News and Observer: SNIPPED OF COURSE:

Wife's money fears, fury detailed
Murder victim stressed over money, angry at husband's trip without her, warrant shows

Thomasi McDonald, Staff Writer
RALEIGH - Michelle Young was not only "stressing out over money" but about a California vacation authorities say her husband took without her, according to a search warrant.
SNIP

According to the search warrant, Sternberg talked with two witnesses about the California vacation. One said Michelle Young was "very, very" angry about the trip that her husband apparently took without her.
The second witness told Sternberg there was tension between the two as a result of Jason Young's California trip, according to the warrant.

As you can imagine, the CTV board had about five pages of posters guessing what Jason was doing while visiting the fleshpots of California. What a selfish moron to take off on a solo vacation and leave his poor wife and baby behind....etc.

The media relied on the search warrant for the information. The search warrant, I believe, was purposely incomplete. It didn't mention that it was a long-planned trip with Jason's mother, sister, brother in law.

The two A & B (younger) witnesses? Obviously not friends of Jason. The money? That had been planned for and budgeted also.

I've often wondered what would have happened if Jason had given up his constitutional rights and sat down to be grilled by police officers. Would these negative stories have come out differently? I think so.

I also wonder why I keep writing this story. I've done it before, and obviously it convinces no one. Others still believe Jason should "cooperate", give up his rights, submit to grilling, eh, an "interview".
I don't.

--Jake

I also wonder why you keep writing this story. A Search Warrant is not a novel. A Search Warrant is a succinct legal document.

Did you expect the SW for the California trip would contain detailed literary descriptions?

In the matter of the murder of Michelle Fisher Young...

Jason peered out the window of the airplane at the fluffy clouds and misty
steam rolling down off of the wing.

His mind started to drift to thoughts of the warm, sunny beaches of California with the azure blue waves lapping at his feet."

"Peanuts? Would you like some peanuts, sir?" the voice of the stewardess
brought him back to reality. He looked at his mother across the aisle as she flipped through the pages of a dog-earred House Beautiful."

His little sister rested her head on her husband's shoulder as he listened to music on his headphones.

Jason tried not to think of his wife's angry face as she confronted him about taking this trip,
"Why now, Jay?!
We can't afford it and we certainly can't afford treating three extra people!
I just lost our baby and I'm not getting any support from you!"

________

It doesn't happen this way, jake. This is the law not poetry.
Michelle and tiny jason jr. were murdered.

this is not trivial like the things you mentioned.

imo

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Jake

We did a little snooping around on the register of deeds web site...faciscnating

1- Birchlief house was sold for $379k with a $$307k 1st mortgage. There is second mortgage of $57k. If he sold tomorrow, after paying the 6%, he has ZERO equity in the house

2- The town Home. Bought for $159k 2 years ago (bought Ryan Schaad out) and has 1st mortgage of $131k. + 2 equity loans of $15,500 and $15,900. ....ZERO equity here

I don't know Jake. Sounds like a bit of financial hurt with the 2nd baby on the way and Michelle going part time. I would be very stressed if this were my financial condition. That $1mm life policy could bail him out in more ways than one :twocents:

Barney,
Kudos to you and your sleuthers...just looking at the RE financials, they're pretty darn tight, aren't they? Certainly, many in the US are in similar situation re mortgages, etc. What their other monthly income vs expenses are/were, doubt back in early to mid-November, that anyone other than Jason knew what his financial situation was. I really doubt his family knew...and so how would Jake know? He wouldn't.

It's far more reasonable that when LE made those statements in their affidavits for the S/W's, that they were accurate based upon the reports they had reviewed in the first week or two after the murder. Therefore, I can't see how Jake could jump to the conclusion that LE lied or skewed financial facts at that point.

I don't know if he and Michelle were in dire financial straights (who knows what kind of credit card debt, etc.), but finances certainly could have been a stressor, as some have suggested.

JMO

 

[nanandjim]

Looking at this young couple's financial situation, I don't think that they had the money to go on vacation to California or anywhere else, for that matter. Perhaps, Michelle refused to go on a vacation that she knew that they could not afford. Jason decided to just go without her.

It is hard enough to make ends meet with two people working and bringing in a good salary. This was a couple in their 20's for crying out loud. They were mortgaged to the hilt.

Our home did not cost $380K. We also do not have a second home or condo. To further put things into perspective, we make a lot more than MY and JY, and we are a lot older. We also have years of savings and accumulating everything that we need. We also do not have car payments or credit card debt. I could go on and on, but these young people were in way over their heads.

For Jason to just thumb his nose at Michelle, especially right after she lost a baby, shows how callous and uncaring he truly is. He did not care one iota about Michelle. You also will not get me to believe that he is a selfless father either.

 

[Barney Fife]

I also wonder why you keep writing this story. A Search Warrant is not a novel. A Search Warrant is a succinct legal document.

Do you expect that the SW for the California trip to contain detailed literary descriptions?

In the matter of the murder of Michelle Fisher Young...

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
Jason peered out the window of the airplane at the fluffy clouds and misty
steam rolling down off of the wing.

His mind started to drift to thoughts of the warm, sunny beaches of California with the azure blue waves lapping at his feet."

"Peanuts? Would you like some peanuts, sir?" the voice of the stewardess
brought him back to reality. He looked at his mother across the aisle as she flipped through the pages of a dog-earred House Beautiful."

His little sister rested her head on her husband's shoulder as he listened to music on his headphones.

________

It doesn't happen this way, jake. This is the law not poetry.
Michelle and tiny jason jr. were murdered.

this is not trivial like the things you mentioned.

imo

Thank You Saint. Jake's arrogance wears very thin most of the time. He could care less about the victims in this case....and no Jake, Jason is NOT a victim

 

[Samiya]

I also wonder why you keep writing this story. A Search Warrant is not a novel. A Search Warrant is a succinct legal document.

Do you expect that the SW for the California trip to contain detailed literary descriptions?

In the matter of the murder of Michelle Fisher Young...

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
Jason peered out the window of the airplane at the fluffy clouds and misty
steam rolling down off of the wing.

His mind started to drift to thoughts of the warm, sunny beaches of California with the azure blue waves lapping at his feet."

"Peanuts? Would you like some peanuts, sir?" the voice of the stewardess
brought him back to reality. He looked at his mother across the aisle as she flipped through the pages of a dog-earred House Beautiful."

His little sister rested her head on her husband's shoulder as he listened to music on his headphones.

________

It doesn't happen this way, jake. This is the law not poetry.
Michelle and tiny jason jr. were murdered.

this is not trivial like the things you mentioned.

imo

I know what my reaction would be to that SW if I were a judge. Same as I am going to do now.

lmao!

Sami

 

[jake]

This is my first post.I've been lurking for quite sometime. All the posters here seem to have so much common sense .

I believe that prior to the one week vacation , his wife had just returned after spending 2 weeks at her mothers recuperating from the loss of her baby.

The way I see it , the husband "already" had a vacation. Home alone for 2 weeks ; no wife, no children to deal with ? What mother wouldn't love to have that luxury for just one day ? Then, he skips out for a week with his family ?

I think there was trouble in paradise.

MOO

Welcome to the board citygirl. Obviously you've been reading.

first paragraph: Correct!

second paragraph: Correct! Not many remember that.

third & fourth paragraph: Gong. Michelle had three weeks vacation. After her miscarriage, she and Jason went to the beach for a week. Later, Michelle went north for two weeks. Jason had to work. You suggest two weeks away from Michelle and his child were pleasant for Jason? Doubt it.

I told you the trip with Jason's family had been long-planned....something like that would have to be planned around work schedules for four people. And of course Michelle knew the plans. Jason had one week of vacation left.

Another poster says he doubts the trip was long-planned and that Michelle probably didn't know about it in advance. Most people on the board seem to believe this poster who admittedly does not know the family. Even you, a newbie.

Okay. I give up.

--Jake

 

[nanandjim]

:laugh:

I also wonder why you keep writing this story. A Search Warrant is not a novel. A Search Warrant is a succinct legal document.

Do you expect that the SW for the California trip to contain detailed literary descriptions?

In the matter of the murder of Michelle Fisher Young...

Jason peered out the window of the airplane at the fluffy clouds and misty
steam rolling down off of the wing.

His mind started to drift to thoughts of the warm, sunny beaches of California with the azure blue waves lapping at his feet."

"Peanuts? Would you like some peanuts, sir?" the voice of the stewardess
brought him back to reality. He looked at his mother across the aisle as she flipped through the pages of a dog-earred House Beautiful."

His little sister rested her head on her husband's shoulder as he listened to music on his headphones.

Jason tried not to think of his wife's angry face as she confronted him about taking this trip,
"Why now, Jay?!
We can't afford it and we certainly can't afford treating three extra people!
I just lost our baby and I'm not getting any support from you!"

________

It doesn't happen this way, jake. This is the law not poetry.
Michelle and tiny jason jr. were murdered.

this is not trivial like the things you mentioned.

imo

You should consider becoming a romance novelist. Thanks for the levity.

 

[The Saint]

Jake,

Your comments about Jason being such a moral fellow, and no way he could kill his wife and unborn son, finally reminded me of something.

A very nice, quiet, unassuming young woman, routine church goer, and no one could ever believe she did what she did.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/article...fe/20070409064809990001?ncid=NWS0001000000000

"It was just building up to this point," Mary Winkler said, according to a statement taken by Alabama police. "I was just tired of it. I guess I just got to a point and snapped."

But friends have said they can't understand how someone as sweet and quiet as Mary Winkler could be charged with murder.

"This was a perfect family," Judy Turner, a member of the Winkler's McMinnville church, said just after Winkler was arrested.


Makes me wonder... ETA - her trial starts today, she was married for 10 years before this event.

it sounds like jay's "nasty came out" too like Mary Winkler's. but
he can't claim that being pressured into a restrictive church life made him snap.

jay wasn't a preacher's wife. he didn't attend church in raleigh.

and he wasn't taking steroids for lupus or have postpartum depression.

imo

 

[The Saint]

It still doesn't make alot of sense to me that Jason's family even took this trip without discussing it with Michelle FIRST. Especially when finding out she and Cassidy were not coming along? Something is just not adding up for me.

jay's family probably thought that jay had discussed the trip with michelle
and that she was ok with them going.

i bet jay wanted to look like a big successful man when he treated them all to the trip. they didn't know that jason and michelle were strapped financially.


i can also see it happening that jay was pissed off at his wife for
going up to NY to see her mom for 2 weeks. i imagine that he knew
LF would be hearing michelle's side of things and maybe counseling michelle to divorce him and move back to NY with cassidy.

jason, being immature, thought - michelle had HER vacation and spent money. i'm going to have MY vacation and spend money on MY family and complain about MY WIFE to THEM.

of course, he didn't factor in that michelle had lost a baby and was in emotional and physcial pain after the medical procedure.

imo

 

[sweet peach]

:laugh:

You should consider becoming a romance novelist. Thanks for the levity.

Agreed! That was quite entertaining. Thank you for the laugh...we get so few while on these boards discussing this God-awful crime.

 

[nanandjim]

...i bet jay wanted to look like a big successful man when he treated them all to the trip. they didn't know that jason and michelle were strapped financially...

I just am not buying this reasoning, not saying that they didn't use this as an excuse. However, my husband and I would NEVER let our 20-something kids pay for our dinner, much less vacation. We know that kids are just starting out. I don't care if they have good jobs. Young people--especially those with a child and one on the way and a couple of houses and cars, etc.--cannot afford to take a vacation for themselves, much less foot the bill for their families.

If his family allowed for Jason to foot the bill, they are as selfish and self-centered as I have pictured them to be. If his family allowed for this to happen, all the while his pregnant wife and child stayed behind, I can see how Jason turned out to feel that he was entitled and how he turned out to be a murderer when he thought that his wife was pulling the plug on footing the bill for his grandiose lifestyle.

 

[The Saint]

LOL Sami!

I'm still not sure that she had used up her vacation time. I'm thinking she would get more than 2 weeks a year. If I was playing devil's advocate here, I think it would make more sense to say that she had not actually booked the time off.

I agree with others though - she didn't know about this until the last minute.

i'm not convinced that michelle's 2-week trip to NY would be considered VACATION time by Progress Energy. I believe that her miscarriage would be considered a medical leave or something to do with a pregnancy leave.

"Vacation time" might be a red-herring.

imo

 

[sweet peach]

i'm not convinced that michelle's 2-week trip to NY would be considered VACATION time by Progress Energy. I believe that her miscarriage would be considered a medical leave or something to do with a pregnancy leave.

"Vacation time" might be a red-herring.

imo

Good point. Don't most companies offer FMLA or something similar for situations such as that?

 

[The Saint]

As Dr. Phil says, "People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing." You apparently feel that Jason has a lot to hide. Police must work from the inner circle out. They have to be able to eliminate the inner circle of family and friends to focus all of their efforts outward. Jason apparently doesn't care whether they find the murderer of his wife and son. Can you tell me if he has received Michelle's life insurance money yet? Is the home for sale? He should be sitting pretty for a while, don't you think? I guess that finding the "real" murderer is the least of his concerns.

As far as I am concerned, you are correct. Your statements fall on deaf ears with me because they make no sense. The only argument that you can give for the reason that Jason won't cooperate with the police is that they will grill him and have harrassed his family. Is Jason really that fragile?

Geez...his wife was viciously beaten to death. He also lost the son that he was so eagerly awaiting. Don't you think that would enrage the average guy and make the average guy put aside his sensitive feelings to get to the bottom of this crime?

jason fragile? no.
volatile? yes

jmo

 

[raisincharlie]

Welcome to the board citygirl. Obviously you've been reading.

first paragraph: Correct!

second paragraph: Correct! Not many remember that.

third & fourth paragraph: Gong. Michelle had three weeks vacation. After her miscarriage, she and Jason went to the beach for a week. Later, Michelle went north for two weeks. Jason had to work. You suggest two weeks away from Michelle and his child were pleasant for Jason? Doubt it.

I told you the trip with Jason's family had been long-planned....something like that would have to be planned around work schedules for four people. And of course Michelle knew the plans. Jason had one week of vacation left.

Another poster says he doubts the trip was long-planned and that Michelle probably didn't know about it in advance. Most people on the board seem to believe this poster who admittedly does not know the family. Even you, a newbie.

Okay. I give up.

--Jake

Planned around work schedules for 4 people ? So that means Jason's Mother still works and Heather works during the summer even though school is out ?