Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[Barney Fife]

Welcome to the board citygirl. Obviously you've been reading.

first paragraph: Correct!

second paragraph: Correct! Not many remember that.

third & fourth paragraph: Gong. Michelle had three weeks vacation. After her miscarriage, she and Jason went to the beach for a week. Later, Michelle went north for two weeks. Jason had to work. You suggest two weeks away from Michelle and his child were pleasant for Jason? Doubt it.

I told you the trip with Jason's family had been long-planned....something like that would have to be planned around work schedules for four people. And of course Michelle knew the plans. Jason had one week of vacation left.

Another poster says he doubts the trip was long-planned and that Michelle probably didn't know about it in advance. Most people on the board seem to believe this poster who admittedly does not know the family. Even you, a newbie.

Okay. I give up.

--Jake

I don't recall seeing a post that said they doubt the trip was not long planned with his Brevard family? However, I did see the post that said it was doubtful Michelle knew it was planned:waitasec:

You have no idea if Michelle knew far in advance or not.

 

[jilly]

Jilly,

Ever notice how similar the wording was to one of Sharon Rocha's statements after Scooter was obviously a suspect ?

Yessssss! I was thinking of mentioning her when I posted. She still had enough composure so as to not directly accuse Scott but her tone said it all. Quote:

"Soon after Laci went missing I made a promise to her, that if she has been harmed
we will seek justice for her and Conner and make sure that the person responsible
for their deaths will be punished. I can only hope that the sound of Laci’s voice begging
for her life, begging for the life of her unborn child, is heard over and over and over
again in the mind of that person everyday for the rest of his life. The person responsible
should be held accountable and punished for the tragedy and
devastation forced upon so many."

 

[The Saint]

Good point. Don't most companies offer FMLA or something similar for situations such as that?

it sounds like progress energy really respected michelle and thought
they she was a great employee. i haven't read the president's statement about MY's death but i can't imagine that any company would consider
recuperation from a miscarriage "a vacation."

PE used flex time schedules which is very progressive. i think that they would have a compassionate medical/family emergency leave
policy.

jmo

 

[jilly]

i'm not convinced that michelle's 2-week trip to NY would be considered VACATION time by Progress Energy. I believe that her miscarriage would be considered a medical leave or something to do with a pregnancy leave.

"Vacation time" might be a red-herring.

imo

I hadn't thought of that trip as being medical leave. Very good point!

 

[The Saint]

Looking at this young couple's financial situation, I don't think that they had the money to go on vacation to California or anywhere else, for that matter. Perhaps, Michelle refused to go on a vacation that she knew that they could not afford. Jason decided to just go without her.

It is hard enough to make ends meet with two people working and bringing in a good salary. This was a couple in their 20's for crying out loud. They were mortgaged to the hilt.

Our home did not cost $380K. We also do not have a second home or condo. To further put things into perspective, we make a lot more than MY and JY, and we are a lot older. We also have years of savings and accumulating everything that we need. We also do not have car payments or credit card debt. I could go on and on, but these young people were in way over their heads.

For Jason to just thumb his nose at Michelle, especially right after she lost a baby, shows how callous and uncaring he truly is. He did not care one iota about Michelle. You also will not get me to believe that he is a selfless father either.

and how do we know whether the condo needed expensive repairs?
maybe things were broken over there and needed to be fixed -- something bigger than the garage door opener.

had property taxes increased on the 2 properties?

how about the 20% deductible for the miscarriage?

i wonder how expensive that would be. maybe michelle was given time off (and it didn't count toward her vacation time) but not paid for it.

jmo

 

[Scout]

Welcome to the board citygirl. Obviously you've been reading.

first paragraph: Correct!

second paragraph: Correct! Not many remember that.

third & fourth paragraph: Gong. Michelle had three weeks vacation. After her miscarriage, she and Jason went to the beach for a week. Later, Michelle went north for two weeks. Jason had to work. You suggest two weeks away from Michelle and his child were pleasant for Jason? Doubt it.

I told you the trip with Jason's family had been long-planned....something like that would have to be planned around work schedules for four people. And of course Michelle knew the plans. Jason had one week of vacation left.

Another poster says he doubts the trip was long-planned and that Michelle probably didn't know about it in advance. Most people on the board seem to believe this poster who admittedly does not know the family. Even you, a newbie.

Okay. I give up.

--Jake

Don't give up yet, Jake. I'd very much appreciate it if you would provide dates for these three trips.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

(snipped for space)

Assist police: You mean the police who from the beginning have been hostile?

You mean the police who from the beginning have accused him of beating his wife and baby boy to death?

You mean the police who have released nothing but incomplete, negative information? #1

You mean the police who from the beginning have shown their hostility by harassing his family? #2

You mean the police who from the beginning have accused him of not cooperating when what they really mean is that he will not submit to grilling by them? #3

Are these the police officers you mean?

--Jake

#1 - In the middle of an investigation, LE isn't required to release any and all information they have. You know that, and most people don't expect LE to release all their information. Negative information as you stated? Hmmm, the same info can be spun in different directions by each side. It just happens to be that, at this point, Jason and his legal team have elected to make no comments, so their "spin" isn't on record just yet. They can counter the relatively few official comments whenever they want to! We'll listen. If they don't want to put their version of events out for the public until a trial (IF and when Jason's charged), then they can try to shred everything that's been stated by LE and the DA in the courtroom, where it really matters.

#2 - It's my impression that you were not there, on scene, when Jason and the Young family arrived and were met by investigators. If you weren't, then you've been given a version of events from family members of the #1 person of interest. Would they be scared, bewildered, angry, defensive, concerned, etc. about what has transpired in a very short period of time? You bet. Do you honestly think you got a neutral description of events? In my personal opinion, it probably wasn't a factual replay. Not faulting the Youngs for that, as they were pushed into a foreign situation for them. Being questioned by LE can be intimidating just on a traffic stop, let alone in the early stages of a horrible homicide investigation.

#3 - your use of "grilling" over and over gets old, at least to me (and maybe only me). Grilling, interrogating, interviewing, questioning, etc. Yep, all can be expected in a homicide investigation. Some detectives and LE may start out calm and good natured and caring; others, not so much. Some are gruff, neutral, grumpy, direct, coarse, and did I mention gruff??? Some can also be condescending and arrogant. Different demeanors and personalities. Ever wonder why some become more direct and appear less soft than others? Maybe because of the years of being lied to, people stalling, being defensive and unhelpful? These officers want to get to the bottom of the situation and just want to cut to the chase, so to speak. Sometimes it's not at all like you see on TV and sometimes it has shades of it. "Grilling" as you like to say is not illegal. I feel a little bad that the Youngs were subjected to it, but honesty, looking back they shouldn't be that surprised.

For all the negative spin you put out on the message boards regarding your take of LE's role on that first night and what they've mentioned in the media (which has been very limited, BTW)...IF Jason is innocent and LE does find the real killer, will the Youngs be thankful to them for solving the murder of two family members?

 

[The Saint]

No Boundaries - certainly tells a lot doesn't it ? Excellent point.

"No boundaries" could also refer to the situation within the Young family structure; jay's mother and sisters
could have done things for jay in his life that he should have been doing for himself. they might still being do those things even though jay is a grown man.

jmo

 

[raisincharlie]

Rock on Deputy Dawg !

Add in seeing a 2 1/2 year old baby with bloodly little feet, having been in that house alone with her deceased Mother in a crime scene that could only be described as brutal, I seriously doubt that LE was exactly in a very easy mood considering there was a murderer loose somewhere. Police officers are human as well, many with children of their own. The last thing they would have been in the mood to deal with was an arrogant fool referring them to a lawyer less than 12 hours after this poor woman's brutalized body was found - especially a guy who claims he was out of town on business and can't bebothered to tell them who had keys to that house. JMO

 

[raisincharlie]

"No boundaries" could also refer the situation within the Young family structure; jay's mother and sisters
could have done things for jay in his life that he should have been doing for himself. they might still being do those things even though jay is a grown man.

jmo

If we can believe Jake - this sounds reasonable. JYs Mom was supposedly fielding calls to/from LE, and while JY was inside Meredith's, it was the other passengers dealing with LE after they came screaming in with all those sirens and lights

ETA - almost forgot his other sister is managing the house for him and as I recall it was family and friends that went into that house to collect personal items and oversee the cleanup.

 

[The Saint]

I would be willing to bet Jake has not spoken to Jason in years.The days of JY hanging around his house seeing his own kids have been long gone His wife is a good friend of Mrs Young. That is the extent of his relationship with JY as it stands today. Local gossip around Brevard, what he gets from his wife and....what he gets from these boards.

and don't forget, information by looking at the photographs taken by his wife of Cassidy and the crime scene aftermath. why did he pretend that he had actually BEEN INSIDE of Birchleaf after it was released by investigators? Why? because he's a narcissist.

imo

 

[The Saint]

Welcome to the board citygirl. Obviously you've been reading.

first paragraph: Correct!

second paragraph: Correct! Not many remember that.

third & fourth paragraph: Gong. Michelle had three weeks vacation. After her miscarriage, she and Jason went to the beach for a week. Later, Michelle went north for two weeks. Jason had to work. You suggest two weeks away from Michelle and his child were pleasant for Jason? Doubt it.

I told you the trip with Jason's family had been long-planned....something like that would have to be planned around work schedules for four people. And of course Michelle knew the plans. Jason had one week of vacation left.

Another poster says he doubts the trip was long-planned and that Michelle probably didn't know about it in advance. Most people on the board seem to believe this poster who admittedly does not know the family. Even you, a newbie.

Okay. I give up.

--Jake

what beach did they go to jake?

two weeks away from michelle and cassidy, pleasant?
what a minute, didn't you say earlier that Cassidy went with them on the CA trip or implied that she had?

room service, maid service -- what difference to jason did it make
in CA? someone was still looking after his needs. michelle took care of that grunge work at home.

and what about his stepping out on her with the "fleshpots" of CA?
that would be the biggest need for him, i imagine. the hotel took care of the rest of it.

imo

 

[raisincharlie]

Sami - are you hiding in the closet

Anything interesting in there ? You could have a point about the closet - we were told the closet had been ransacked and it had to have happened before Michelle was murdered - remember that windy ?

 

[Samiya]

#1 - In the middle of an investigation, LE isn't required to release any and all information they have. You know that, and most people don't expect LE to release all their information. Negative information as you stated? Hmmm, the same info can be spun in different directions by each side. It just happens to be that, at this point, Jason and his legal team have elected to make no comments, so their "spin" isn't on record just yet. They can counter the relatively few official comments whenever they want to! We'll listen. If they don't want to put their version of events out for the public until a trial (IF and when Jason's charged), then they can try to shred everything that's been stated by LE and the DA in the courtroom, where it really matters.

#2 - It's my impression that you were not there, on scene, when Jason and the Young family arrived and were met by investigators. If you weren't, then you've been given a version of events from family members of the #1 person of interest. Would they be scared, bewildered, angry, defensive, concerned, etc. about what has transpired in a very short period of time? You bet. Do you honestly think you got a neutral description of events? In my personal opinion, it probably wasn't a factual replay. Not faulting the Youngs for that, as they were pushed into a foreign situation for them. Being questioned by LE can be intimidating just on a traffic stop, let alone in the early stages of a horrible homicide investigation.

#3 - your use of "grilling" over and over gets old, at least to me (and maybe only me). Grilling, interrogating, interviewing, questioning, etc. Yep, all can be expected in a homicide investigation. Some detectives and LE may start out calm and good natured and caring; others, not so much. Some are gruff, neutral, grumpy, direct, coarse, and did I mention gruff??? Some can also be condescending and arrogant. Different demeanors and personalities. Ever wonder why some become more direct and appear less soft than others? Maybe because of the years of being lied to, people stalling, being defensive and unhelpful? These officers want to get to the bottom of the situation and just want to cut to the chase, so to speak. Sometimes it's not at all like you see on TV and sometimes it has shades of it. "Grilling" as you like to say is not illegal. I feel a little bad that the Youngs were subjected to it, but honesty, looking back they shouldn't be that surprised.

For all the negative spin you put out on the message boards regarding your take of LE's role on that first night and what they've mentioned in the media (which has been very limited, BTW)...IF Jason is innocent and LE does find the real killer, will the Youngs be thankful to them for solving the murder of two family members?

Standing Ovation to you!!!!!

:blowkiss:

Sami

 

[jilly]

Deputy Great Post!:clap:

Don't want to make light of your comments but I can personally relate to the traffic stop intimidation!

 

[The Saint]

I just am not buying this reasoning, not saying that they didn't use this as an excuse. However, my husband and I would NEVER let our 20-something kids pay for our dinner, much less vacation. We know that kids are just starting out. I don't care if they have good jobs. Young people--especially those with a child and one on the way and a couple of houses and cars, etc.--cannot afford to take a vacation for themselves, much less foot the bill for their families.

If his family allowed for Jason to foot the bill, they are as selfish and self-centered as I have pictured them to be. If his family allowed for this to happen, all the while his pregnant wife and child stayed behind, I can see how Jason turned out to feel that he was entitled and how he turned out to be a murderer when he thought that his wife was pulling the plug on footing the bill for his grandiose lifestyle.

i'm just not sure. i think that jason might have been "snowing them." they might not have known that MY and JY were low on money.

he was trying to look like the last of the big spenders --- too bad
it was probably michelle's earnings that he was spending so lavishly.
he was between jobs.

i am thinking now that maybe THEY DID need to borrow second-hand furniture to furnish the baby's room. jay just didn't need to pick it up
on the eve of the big football game (that is, UNTIL after he killed michelle;
he needed to run up and pick it up very urgently after that).

because we find the furniture excuse very weak, i think at trial, we'll hear that pat young had a medical emergency and jason wanted to rush up to be with her.
they'll say that she was too stubborn to call the doctor or go to the ER.


imo

 

[The Saint]

Sami - are you hiding in the closet

Anything interesting in there ? You could have a point about the closet - we were told the closet had been ransacked and it had to have happened before Michelle was murdered - remember that windy ?

uh oh. jason had to get his women's drag outfits out of the closet
before LE came.

imo

 

[strach304]

Sami - are you hiding in the closet

Anything interesting in there ? You could have a point about the closet - we were told the closet had been ransacked and it had to have happened before Michelle was murdered - remember that windy ?

How did I miss that?

 

[raisincharlie]

How did I miss that?

What ? Sami hiding in the closet or the closet being ransacked ?

 

[strach304]

and don't forget, information by looking at the photographs taken by his wife of Cassidy and the crime scene aftermath. why did he pretend that he had actually BEEN INSIDE of Birchleaf after it was released by investigators? Why? because he's a narcissist.

imo

Why would she be taking photograph's?