Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[jake]

I don't need an explanation - it explains some of the attitude behind Mr. McIntyre's initial statements about LE and it is a fact, unlike many of the absurd and deviant things a certain poster has said and invented in stories and attempted to imply about the Fishers or the accusations made against them.

That brings another question: why is Mr. McIntyre's name being dragged into this? He has nothing at all to do with the case, and neither does his ex-wife.

--Jake

 

[The Saint]

So, I should wish for global warming? I think not. No arrest, no charge, no defense attorney, no money.

--Jake

no such luck for jay; he'll be arrested and very soon.


imo

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Who? police officers. All the police could do is ask IF jewelry was missing, as they certainly wouldn't know what, IF ANYTHING, was kept in the jewelry box drawers.

When? When they saw the missing jewelry box drawers. Again, they wouldn't know if jewelry was missing; rather, a few drawers were missing.

Police officers said nothing was missing, I think. I can't link. Okay

Jayson and his family say jewelry is missing. JY hasn't been in the house to inventory it, correct? And his family wouldn't know for sure, would they? In fact, maybe Jason didn't know for sure - MY could have put it somewhere else, if in fact there was jewelry there. Guaranteed that's happened before!

--Jake

So, I don't see how Jason or his family would know for sure that jewelry is missing.

JMO.

 

[Scout]

I agree. Find the jewelry, find the killer.

--Jake

I think there's virtually no chance of the missing jewelry being found.

 

[jake]

Nope, not really.

You're right, she's not a party to this horrific murder. But I am interested in why his step-father acted as described that evening. His experiences with LE might have contributed to his behaviors, and yes, I'm far more interested in those.

Thank you. I still fail to see why Mr. McIntyre's experiences with LE would be of interest in this case. He had nothing to do with it.

--Jake

 

[Scout]

I think you're probably right. I doubt that Jason could describe the jewelry, but I'll bet Meredith can. She may have already done so for LE.

--Jake

There's no reason to believe he couldn't describe the jewelry. He just chose not to, imo.

 

[The Saint]

What makes you think his parents are paying for anything? I'm just curious.

--Jake

jay and michelle were having financial problems. jay couldn't afford
to get the garage door opener or the heat fixed.

their 2 homes are mortgaged to the hilt.

jay can't be paying R Smith's retainer.

and if you see jay wearing a cameo brooch on his jacket,
you'll know where the jewelry has been and who the killer is.

imo

 

[Scout]

And absolute understatement there. Really, you would think someone with a college degree could do a better job of planning and carrying out the murder of his wife. He didn't even try to show that someone had broken into the house.

--Jake

Was it necessary to stage a break-in? I thought it was their habit to leave doors unlocked.

 

[Scout]

Glad you are finaly coming around Jake. I'm not sure he planned it to any great extent however. Not at all sure a college degree matters either, obviously not all that bright to commit murder.

True. Look at Scott Peterson; he had degrees from three or four different universities!

 

[The Saint]

Well, actually Jason and his lawyer don't have a defense theory....unless you know something the rest of us don't.

--Jake

well, jake, tell the youngs to get their retainer money back!
that is just awful to hear.
was that law firm too preoccupied with those LaCrosse players to help jay?

no wonder you had to try to get free legal aid from crime message boards.

imo

 

[Scout]

I do see the light occasionally. Obviously you don't know Jason. He is certainly bright enough to plan better than this killer did.

--Jake

Does that come from his Scout training, Jake? You weren't by chance his Scout leader, were you?

 

[raisincharlie]

That brings another question: why is Mr. McIntyre's name being dragged into this? He has nothing at all to do with the case, and neither does his ex-wife.

--Jake

Ask him, he is the one who spoke to the press and put himself right in the middle of it by accusing LE of misconduct and complaining because the SUV and its contents was confiscated. Why do you bring up Linda Fisher ? She is a grieving mother who lost her daughter in a most brutal fashion but when jewelry is discussed you always include her name - why is that?

 

[5bigfish5]

And absolute understatement there. Really, you would think someone with a college degree could do a better job of planning and carrying out the murder of his wife. He didn't even try to show that someone had broken into the house.

--Jake

Riiiiight!

Help me out guys..who said "stupid is as stupid does"? Weren't dat a mountain boy too?

Lame Jake, but real lame. Many much more educated "college" boys, who had actually amassed an EMPIRE in their own right...still slayed their wives and tried to get away with it.

JY is nothing new or special, least of all special.

5bigfish5

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

There's no reason to believe he couldn't describe the jewelry. He just chose not to, imo.

Bingo. He'd have to describe to his family that jewelry was missing, for them to then go spreading this info around to family members and friends. Didn't he give any detail as to what Michelle would have had, that is missing? (How he'd know, since he never went into the house after the murder; well, maybe he could guess.)

The devil's in the details, so to speak. What'd he tell the family? "Some heirloom jewelry is missing." Then that's what the family said. Then that's what JTF and Jake say. But no further details? No wonder they didn't file an insurance claim and LE says no jewelry was taken. They couldn't fill out the police report properly if no descriptions.

JMO

 

[The Saint]

And just why is this lady being brought into this discussion? Do you really think it belongs here?

--Jake

yes, it helps to understand if there is animosity toward LE coming from
jay's family and how it originated or colors their feelings about jay cooperating with the lawmen.

imo

 

[The Saint]

Riiiiight!

Help me out guys..who said "stupid is as stupid does"? Weren't dat a mountain boy too?

Lame Jake, but real lame. Many much more educated "college" boys, who had actually amassed an EMPIRE in their own right...still slayed their wives and tried to get away with it.

JY is nothing new or special, least of all special.

5bigfish5

killers make mistakes. they get tripped up. they caught. they get charged. they get sentenced. they get sent to prison.

imo

 

[jake]

So, I don't see how Jason or his family would know for sure that jewelry is missing.

JMO.

Jason knows Michelle had jewelry. Jason's family has been in the house and knows the jewelry is not there. Therefore, the jewelry seems to be missing.

--Jake

 

[The Saint]

I don't really understand about "lots" of red herrings. But I do know my heart. Investigate yours.

--Jake

i'm innocent and self-actualized.

imo

 

[The Saint]

Jason knows Michelle had jewelry. Jason's family has been in the house and knows the jewelry is not there. Therefore, the jewelry seems to be missing.

--Jake

if they aren't talking to investigators, then they must be making assumptions.
why not pick up the phone and ask if the investigators have possession of it or where it is?

oh, they can't do that. it would spoil their "story" about the fishers taking it.
and they don't want to provide a list of the pieces.
and they are afraid that investigators might ask them to tell jay to come in for a talk (and bring RS with him).

can't risk that.

imo

 

[scandi]

Thank you. I still fail to see why Mr. McIntyre's experiences with LE would be of interest in this case. He had nothing to do with it.

--Jake

Jake I know that for me his comments set a negative tone right off the bat coming from the husbands side of the family. Especially when the husband has to be ruled out first in a spousal murder. Actually it sounded almost defensive to me, as in a good reason to not talk to LE.

And the point is, we know next to nothing at that point about the case when we heard this statement, making it stand out bigtime.

Scandi