Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[jake]

jay and michelle were having financial problems. jay couldn't afford
to get the garage door opener or the heat fixed.

their 2 homes are mortgaged to the hilt.

jay can't be paying R Smith's retainer.

and if you see jay wearing a cameo brooch on his jacket,
you'll know where the jewelry has been and who the killer is.

imo

Do you think Jason and Michelle might have had some savings? Is it possible there is some other income you are not aware of? I'm not saying either of those things is true, but could be.

--Jake

 

[jilly]

And absolute understatement there. Really, you would think someone with a college degree could do a better job of planning and carrying out the murder of his wife. He didn't even try to show that someone had broken into the house.

--Jake

Haha Jake. I have a brother in law with a PHD and my sister has to pack his suitcases when he goes out of town and label which shirt goes with what suit.:bang: It's a good thing we have walk signs for when to cross a street otherwise I think he would have met his waterloo years ago.

So don't confuse degrees with common sense & organizational skills. It quite often does not go hand in hand.

 

[The Saint]

Jason knows Michelle had jewelry. Jason's family has been in the house and knows the jewelry is not there. Therefore, the jewelry seems to be missing.

--Jake

operative word --- "seems."

imo

 

[jake]

Was it necessary to stage a break-in? I thought it was their habit to leave doors unlocked.

I think so, too. But if I wanted it to look like a break-in, I would feel I had to break in.

--Jake

 

[scandi]

Jason knows Michelle had jewelry. Jason's family has been in the house and knows the jewelry is not there. Therefore, the jewelry seems to be missing.

--Jake

I'm wondering if LE gave the Fishers a go ahead to take the jewelry since it was Michelle's personal property before she met Jason. Makes sense to me, as sitting in a drawer it wouldn't really have any evidenciary value, right?

 

[The Saint]

Do you think Jason and Michelle might have had some savings? Is it possible there is some other income you are not aware of? I'm not saying either of those things is true, but could be.

--Jake

no. jay spent it.

imo

 

[jake]

well, jake, tell the youngs to get their retainer money back!
that is just awful to hear.
was that law firm too preoccupied with those LaCrosse players to help jay?

no wonder you had to try to get free legal aid from crime message boards.

imo

Ah, Jason has not been charged with any crime. And I imagine free legal aid is worth about what you pay for it.

--Jake

 

[Scout]

Jason knows Michelle had jewelry. Jason's family has been in the house and knows the jewelry is not there. Therefore, the jewelry seems to be missing.

--Jake

Was all of the jewelry missing or just part of it?

 

[jake]

Does that come from his Scout training, Jake? You weren't by chance his Scout leader, were you?

You could not possibly know that. No way. Could you? Scout's honor now.

--Jake

 

[The Saint]

I think so, too. But if I wanted it to look like a break-in, I would feel I had to break in.

--Jake

and leave the garage door partly up so it would look like a break-in.

imo

 

[Scout]

I think so, too. But if I wanted it to look like a break-in, I would feel I had to break in.

--Jake

What if you wanted to make it look like your sister-in-law did it?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Thank you. I still fail to see why Mr. McIntyre's experiences with LE would be of interest in this case. He had nothing to do with it.

--Jake

Ahhh, you may not see the interest, and that's fine...but I have years of experience in dealing with victims and families in dire situations, and their behaviors are of great interest to me. Family dynamics can be very telling at times.

And on a serious note, I also worry about you. I mean that.

I'm not convinced you're on the up and up of who you are and your role in this; but IF you are - and IF Jason is guilty, then I will feel for you and don't wish you the pain you will go through. And, I have a big caring heart for the family members of subjects who commit crimes or cause the death of someone else, even accidently. Most of the time, they are not responsible for their adult children or sibling that commits such a crime, and yet they are dragged into chaos that they didn't control. Yet, they can do things to make things better or worse for the other involved families. You know, that do unto others creed. If you are a family member, I will send my best wishes to you IF indeed Jay is arrested and then charged with this crime.

DD

 

[The Saint]

You could not possibly know that. No way. Could you?

--Jake

What does BK Boy mean?

imo

 

[Scout]

You could not possibly know that. No way. Could you? Scout's honor now.

--Jake

Know? It was a simple question, Jake? Was your response a confirmation?

 

[The Saint]

Ah, Jason has not been charged with any crime. And I imagine free legal aid is worth about what you pay for it.

--Jake

you worked hard for jake.

imo

 

[jake]

Ask him, he is the one who spoke to the press and put himself right in the middle of it by accusing LE of misconduct and complaining because the SUV and its contents was confiscated. Why do you bring up Linda Fisher ? She is a grieving mother who lost her daughter in a most brutal fashion but when jewelry is discussed you always include her name - why is that?

Go back and read the posts. I'm not the one who accused Mrs. Fisher of stealing the jewelry. I write enough stupid posts of my own: I don't need you trying to pin others on me.

--Jake

 

[5bigfish5]

Jason knows Michelle had jewelry. Jason's family has been in the house and knows the jewelry is not there. Therefore, the jewelry seems to be missing.

--Jake

Close, but no cigar.

Try something interesting...like Einstein's riddle about "who has the fish".

This one is a no brainer.

5bigfish5

 

[raisincharlie]

Since we are down to playing with the red herrings, I thought I would bring back this list. Perhaps we can then refocus on the murder of this beautiful young woman and her baby:

1. Husband leaves night before murder for a business trip.
2. Husband is last person to speak with wife at 11 pm, supposedly.
3. Last person(s) known to see victim was a friend - female.
4. Wife is 4 months pregnant, therefore statistically at risk.
5. Husband phones SIL the next day asking to retrieve a document from his home.
6. SIL finds her murdered sister on the floor of the bedroom.
7. 2.5 year old child left alive and unharmed.
8. Dog in house.
9. Neighbors unaware of anything unusual except outside lights being on
a couple of days prior to the murder.
10. Husband on way to parents home when body is found.
11. Reported child in the neighborhood with supposed behavioral issues.
12. Wife previously lost a baby shortly after an auto accident.
13. Wife works flex time and may or may not have been expected at work.
14. Husband's vehicle is immediately impounded upon return to SILs house.
15. Husband retains lawyer at some point - refers LE to lawyer the evening he returns to Raleigh - less than 12 hours after his wife is found bludgeoned to death.
16. Sheriff's spokeswoman indicates the crime is not random.
17. LE indicates no "forced entry" at the crime scene.
18. Sheriff reports neighborhood is quiet with very few problems.
19. Police asked for information about events between 12 and 6 am.
20. Police investigate previous auto accident involving couple - May 2006.
21. Police have made no further appeals to the public for assistance.
22. Sheriff indicates in interview with Greta, no warrants obtained for collection of fingerprints of several people.
23. Husband complies with Non-testimonial order and gives samples requested in presence of his lawyer.
24. No external tip line established (police tip line exists).
25. No reward for information posted by sheriff or families.
26. Husband is reported to have been having a relationship with wife's sorority sister located in Florida.
27. Michelle's therapist is interviewed in camera by a Superior Court judge and required to turn over her notes about the therapy sessions to the DA as the information is deemed to be relevant to the investigation.

Of course the list is much longer...now

 

[5bigfish5]

Do you think Jason and Michelle might have had some savings? Is it possible there is some other income you are not aware of? I'm not saying either of those things is true, but could be.

--Jake

OOPS,

You could be right!

Jason saved money by NOT taking ALL his friends to California.

5bigfish5

(while his wife and child were left behind) ((sigh))

 

[jake]

Bingo. He'd have to describe to his family that jewelry was missing, for them to then go spreading this info around to family members and friends. Didn't he give any detail as to what Michelle would have had, that is missing? (How he'd know, since he never went into the house after the murder; well, maybe he could guess.)

The devil's in the details, so to speak. What'd he tell the family? "Some heirloom jewelry is missing." Then that's what the family said. Then that's what JTF and Jake say. But no further details? No wonder they didn't file an insurance claim and LE says no jewelry was taken. They couldn't fill out the police report properly if no descriptions.

JMO

"Heirloom" jewelry? I don't know what that is, and I don't know how it came to be applied to this jewelry. Family members saw the chest with missing drawers and said, "I'll bet jewelry is missing". That's not hard.

--Jake