Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[The Saint]

Excellent post! I still don't think that Jason meant to kill her in this fashion. Like you said, I think he meant to strangle her, in her sleep, but she put up a he77 of a fight and he ended up beating her to death. I do think he premeditated it, maybe not for this particular night, but something set him off and he decided to do it then and there!

but it looked so easy in the movies...

imo

 

[jake]

A poster at CTV mentioned
something about JY working on a new waterproof fabric.

Since jay has his university degree in textiles and he has worked as a river rafting guide, is it possible that jay had a prototype of this new waterproof wetsuit/dry suit at his home?

could he have worn this suit during the murder of michelle?
is this prototype suit(s) missing from Birchleaf? it could have been a project that he did for one of his college textile classes.

he might have filed to get a patent for his design of a dry suit.


jmo

Not that it's important one way or the other, but just to keep the record straight: Jason has never worked as a rafting guide. I think he worked at a summer camp near Brevard, and may have gone rafting, but not as a guide.

This is not to say he doesn't have a dry suit. I don't really know. And maybe he even designed one as a project. Who knows?

--Jake

 

[Scout]

Not that it's important one way or the other, but just to keep the record straight: Jason has never worked as a rafting guide. I think he worked at a summer camp near Brevard, and may have gone rafting, but not as a guide.

This is not to say he doesn't have a dry suit. I don't really know. And maybe he even designed one as a project. Who knows?

--Jake

Sorry, but I don't think a wet suit or dry suit was involved. If there had been, the killer wouldn't have left blood smears in the shower, right?

 

[jake]

Sorry, but I don't think a wet suit or dry suit was involved. If there had been, the killer wouldn't have left blood smears in the shower, right?

And if there were two killers....?

--Jake

 

[jake]

Someone on another board posted the idea of a shoe being a weapon that caused the wounds on Michelle's head. I can see it if it's a woman's shoe, maybe even Michelle's.

I tried one just to see. It hurts even with a gentle stroke. The shoe I tried didn't have a flat heel, but not a thin spike heel, either. Sort of in between, but I don't know what it's called.

I can see one killer trying to choke a struggling Michelle while the other is on the bed pounding on her with the shoe. Horrible scene to imagine.

--Jake

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

And if there were two killers....?

--Jake

Odds are greater that one of them would have left some type of evidence. For 2 to go in and not leave much evidence, I'd say that's getting into the realm of professionals, not amateurs working off of emotions such as anger, resentment, jealousy, etc. And...with 2, they'd tend to be more efficient and less brutal. Absolutely my opinion only. I could be wrong, but I just haven't seen nor heard anything that would lead me to think it was two murderers. I'm sticking with one :silenced:

JMO.

 

[Bellgardin]

Maybe you won't mind answering a question. Will you tell us more about the process? Another poster somewhere said the insurance company would depose Jason if he did file a claim.

He also said this deposition could be used in court against Jason if he were arrested. Suppose the deposition were successful but LE still considered Jason a suspect. What then?

Or suppose LE eliminated him as a suspect but the insurance company was still suspicious. What then? --Jake

About the deposition, I only know of depositions taken when the insurance company was sued to get the company to release the funds. If that happened, the company rep is deposed, so I guess the bene would be too. Just filing a claim for proceeds is not enough to get him or anyone else deposed. Insurance companies do not depose everyone who ever files a claim.

I think the deposition if there was one could be used against him in court, but I'm not a lawyer so I could be totally wrong. What the insurance company is bound to do in a court of law at the time of a lawsuit and what LE suspects is in no way connected. The insurance company doesn't have any control over whether or not LE considers someone a suspect. The point is, the insurance company is not going to be pressured to pay that kind of money to someone they aren't sure didn't have anything to do with the murder. You can't profit from someone's murder like that, period.

The ins. co. can be suspicious all they want, but if the person is officially no longer a suspect or was tried and acquited, there is really nothing they can do. They can't just not pay because they don't like someone or heard a rumor about them.

That job is why I can tell you that it doesn't matter how great someone's parents are or how great someone was raised, you can just never be sure that someone isn't capable of murder. I'm sure Mark Hacking, Scott Peterson, Justin Barber, Ted Bundy, Steve Grant (and so on) all have family and friends that think they were raised just fine, and yet they were all convicted of horrible murders, mostly of their spouses (except Ted Bundy). All of them had friends and family who said they could never do such a thing-but they did.

 

[Bellgardin]

Odds are greater that one of them would have left some type of evidence. For 2 to go in and not leave much evidence, I'd say that's getting into the realm of professionals, not amateurs working off of emotions such as anger, resentment, jealousy, etc. And...with 2, they'd tend to be more efficient and less brutal. Absolutely my opinion only. I could be wrong, but I just haven't seen nor heard anything that would lead me to think it was two murderers. I'm sticking with one :silenced:

JMO.

I agree with you DD. It's starting to get into the realm of Jeffrey MacDonald and the 4 people in his apt. that left no dna or other forensic evidence. Jake, there's another murderer for you whose family never believed he could do anything like that, yet he sits in prison.

 

[jake]

About the deposition, I only know of depositions taken when the insurance company was sued to get the company to release the funds. If that happened, the company rep is deposed, so I guess the bene would be too. Just filing a claim for proceeds is not enough to get him or anyone else deposed. Insurance companies do not depose everyone who ever files a claim.

I think the deposition if there was one could be used against him in court, but I'm not a lawyer so I could be totally wrong. What the insurance company is bound to do in a court of law at the time of a lawsuit and what LE suspects is in no way connected. The insurance company doesn't have any control over whether or not LE considers someone a suspect. The point is, the insurance company is not going to be pressured to pay that kind of money to someone they aren't sure didn't have anything to do with the murder. You can't profit from someone's murder like that, period.

The ins. co. can be suspicious all they want, but if the person is officially no longer a suspect or was tried and acquited, there is really nothing they can do. They can't just pay because they don't like someone or heard a rumor about them.

That job is why I can tell you that it doesn't matter how great someone's parents are or how great someone was raised, you can just never be sure that someone isn't capable of murder. I'm sure Mark Hacking, Scott Peterson, Justin Barber, Ted Bundy, Steve Grant (and so on) all have family and friends that think they were raised just fine, and yet they were all convicted of horrible murders, mostly of their spouses (except Ted Bundy). All of them had friends and family who said they could never do such a thing-but they did.

Thanks for the insurance info. That must be a very stressful job. I don't see the police declaring Jason a non-suspect until they arrest someone. I think that may be soon.

It wound be interesting though, to have the police declare Jason is not a suspect any longer. Wonder if his lawyer would then ask Jason to talk with the police. But then he tells the police something that puts him on their list again. Hmmm. Reckon not.

 

[happy2bn10ec]

And if there were two killers....?

--Jake

I really don't think they would both fit in the wet/dry suit...?

 

[jake]

SNIPPED++++++++++++
That job is why I can tell you that it doesn't matter how great someone's parents are or how great someone was raised, you can just never be sure that someone isn't capable of murder. I'm sure Mark Hacking, Scott Peterson, Justin Barber, Ted Bundy, Steve Grant (and so on) all have family and friends that think they were raised just fine, and yet they were all convicted of horrible murders, mostly of their spouses (except Ted Bundy). All of them had friends and family who said they could never do such a thing-but they did.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That's quite a list of people found guilty. I haven't followed crime boards enough to know, but I should think someone could come up with a different list. I'm thinking of a list of suspects backed all the way by friends and family--and these suspects were later exonerated. I hope that Jason will fit into that list.

--Jake

 

[Scout]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That's quite a list of people found guilty. I haven't followed crime boards enough to know, but I should think someone could come up with a different list. I'm thinking of a list of suspects backed all the way by friends and family--and these suspects were later exonerated. I hope that Jason will fit into that list.

--Jake

OJ Simpson
Robert Durst
Lizzie Borden

Not very good company, imo.

 

[jake]

I agree with you DD. It's starting to get into the realm of Jeffrey MacDonald and the 4 people in his apt. that left no dna or other forensic evidence. Jake, there's another murderer for you whose family never believed he could do anything like that, yet he sits in prison.

It seems to me that we have two people in this crime scene and one of them left dna or a bloody print. That's why the police are still investigating.

They can't identify that person....yet. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that police officers are starting another round of interviews in an attempt to identify that person.

--Jake

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

I agree with you DD. It's starting to get into the realm of Jeffrey MacDonald and the 4 people in his apt. that left no dna or other forensic evidence. Jake, there's another murderer for you whose family never believed he could do anything like that, yet he sits in prison.

It is so comforting to remember that case. When people commit these murders,sleep must be tortorous,remembering & when they realize there is no $$$$benefit and noone really believes in their innocence :croc: they feel so lost& then crack.Jason will soon :banghead: crack.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

It seems to me that we have two people in this crime scene and one of them left dna or a bloody print. That's why the police are still investigating.

They can't identify that person....yet. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that police officers are starting another round of interviews in an attempt to identify that person.

--Jake

Really? You've been told this, or this is what the family is telling you?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

OJ Simpson
Robert Durst
Lizzie Borden

Not very good company, imo.

And IMO, Michael Jackson for a non-homicide example

 

[Bellgardin]

Thanks for the insurance info. That must be a very stressful job. I don't see the police declaring Jason a non-suspect until they arrest someone. I think that may be soon.

It wound be interesting though, to have the police declare Jason is not a suspect any longer. Wonder if his lawyer would then ask Jason to talk with the police. But then he tells the police something that puts him on their list again. Hmmm. Reckon not.

I think it's perfectly possible for them to decide he's no longer a suspect before they arrest someone else, IF they have evidence that leads to someone else. However, that's not what the SW's & other info that we have access to indicates. I had claims where people were murdered and the bene (usually the spouse) were dismissed as suspects rather quickly. I will tell you though, that in all the cases I've seen where the bene was the suspect, about 99% of the time they were eventually arrested and put on trial.

Maybe it's because my mom used to be a cop, but I would rather be on the list and then do everything I could to help them and get myself off the list rather than sit back and worry about whether I was on the list or not. Some people have the view that it's been 6 months and he hasn't been arrested so he won't be because they would have done it by now. I look at a little differently though-it's been 6 months and they can't clear him and publicly say he's not a suspect. And to me, being in a hotel room alone is not an alibi. It didn't work for Christopher Porco.

 

[Bellgardin]

That's quite a list of people found guilty. I haven't followed crime boards enough to know, but I should think someone could come up with a different list. I'm thinking of a list of suspects backed all the way by friends and family--and these suspects were later exonerated. I hope that Jason will fit into that list.--Jake

Good luck compiling that list. My list was just the tip of the iceburg. There are plenty more that do not make the national news. For every one you can come up with you can find another who were backed all the way and were not exonerated. The number one cause of death for pregnant women is murder,most times by the hand of their significant others, period.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/285/11/1455?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext="Pregnancy-Associated+Mortality"&searchid=1124570586467_2005&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=jama

Believe it or not, I hope Jason's not guilty too. Just like I hoped that Scott Peterson, Mark Hacking, Jeffrey MacDonald and Justin Barber were not guilty. Men need to stop murdering their wives and get a divorce if they want out!

 

[Bellgardin]

It seems to me that we have two people in this crime scene and one of them left dna or a bloody print. That's why the police are still investigating.

They can't identify that person....yet. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that police officers are starting another round of interviews in an attempt to identify that person.

--Jake

And do you have any ideas on who these two people may be or why they may have wanted to beat Michelle Young to death?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

And do you have any ideas on who these two people may be or why they may have wanted to beat Michelle Young to death?

It appears Jake has left the building.