Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #7

[MAVLEY]

The girls may not have made it back to Delmar. A fake cop could have went to the house to get Sherrill saying there was an emergency. She would have went willingly with no struggle.

 

[MAVLEY]

If this was about Sherrill there was about 2 and a half hours window of her being alone from the last phone call. If somebody strange was in that house when the two girls got home Cinnamon would of also been off as Janelle said that when they went to look around the house that morning Cinamon was acting off and wanted to be held and cuddled.

She would of behaved the same way that night if there was a stranger in the house. Yet the girls got ready for bed and even switched the tv on which would indicate to me nobody was in that home that shouldn’t of been when they got home.


IMO

On the other hand, can we really take into account how cinnamon was acting? Janelle was not a frequent visitor to the Delmar house as far as we can tell, which would mean that Janelle would be considered a stranger to cinnamon. Mike would be too. I know my dogs would be acting really strange if there were 2 unknown people in my house and I wasn't home.

 

[asyousay]

On the other hand, can we really take into account how cinnamon was acting? Janelle was not a frequent visitor to the Delmar house as far as we can tell, which would mean that Janelle would be considered a stranger to cinnamon. Mike would be too. I know my dogs would be acting really strange if there were 2 unknown people in my house and I wasn't home.

Ok so my theory still works if Cinnamon was off because Janelle and Mike were strangers then wouldn’t she behaved the same way the night before if somebody strange was in the home?

Yorkie terriers are highly strung, barkers and are know to be a feisty breed who are also very protective of their owners.

 

[MAVLEY]

Yes, your theory still works. I am just going by the fact that we only have Janelle's word on how Cinnamon was acting at the beginning. As other people started coming over, they would say the same thing because again, there are strange people in the house and her person isn't. We can't say how Cinnamon was acting before Janelle got there because we obviously weren't there to witness it.

 

[Missouri Mule]

If his DNA was in that house and bearing in mind he has been in Niall forever then his DNA would be on record and this case would of been solved years ago.


Also the police seemed to think there were move than one person involved if I am reading their statements correctly.

Also the fact of no forced entry would indicate they let whoever did this in that night imo

I saw a friend of Suzie’s say Sherrill was a very strict mum and if somebody called Suzie after 10pm she wouldn’t let her take the call and was safety conscience.

From reading how safety conscious Sherrill was she would never of opened that door to strangers that night even if somebody had tried to smash the bulb to get them to open the door at 4am.

IMO

Someone I trust very much and was very close to law enforcement told me explicitly there was in fact DNA found in or about the house.

Since Cox’s DNA would be on file, we can “probably” rule him out as unlikely.

My source revealed to me me that he had tracked this believed perp over a decade. His original source was from another very credible LE agency. He had the actual name, who, I believe, is likely the same individual who I believe is the one who murdered these women. But he refused to give me the name as it would compromise his source.

I haven’t changed my view that this was a crime committed by a single male predator. No one has rolled in 26 years.

The SPD said “kidnapper.” That is singular.

If someone disagrees, please explain.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I have been reading that about 4am a van was spotted on the corner of S kentwood ave from a newspaper boy/girl. It must of stood out as they would do the route daily.

So would that indicate the perp/perps went to the house on foot and then went back to get the van after he had subdued them?

Could it be the girls were followed from the party and the perp parked around the corner from the home and gave them enough time to fall asleep before making their move?!


ETA - allegedly

I wonder if Kirby's (or one of the out of town relatives) owned a van. IMO I'd trust a newspaper delivery person over just about anyone else. I wonder how soon they reported it to SPD...

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Yes, your theory still works. I am just going by the fact that we only have Janelle's word on how Cinnamon was acting at the beginning. As other people started coming over, they would say the same thing because again, there are strange people in the house and her person isn't. We can't say how Cinnamon was acting before Janelle got there because we obviously weren't there to witness it.

And little dogs are 'yappy' anyway, my Pom would bark and if started, his whole body shook so I discount the dog's reaction. Not even worth mentioning but I do wish Cinnamon could have given a statement! poor little girl........

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Do we know from independent witnesses that Shane drove girls to their cars? What if he only drove one girl to her car and then tried something with the other one?

Do we know for a fact that both girls made it back to Suzie's house? What if one of them died before she ever got there, and the person who killed her went after the other two victims because he uknew the other girl could finger him?

Maybe neither of the girls made it home. Maybe two guys from the party raped and killed them, and Sherrill was the only one actually abducted from the house. Everything else could have been staged.

(N.b.: I still think the women were killed by one of the grave robbers; I'm just trying to think outside of the box.)

You may be correct or close to it.
We just know (positively) their cars made it to Sherrill's. We have to trust LE's expertise that the girls made it to the house safely.
But (Suzie's friend) Nigel did state the cars were not in their usual places. Suzie's car was typically under the carport area. 99.9% positive Nigel said the cars were headed in the wrong direction. I feel Nigel's observations were.......ignored in favor of Janelle's version.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

And little dogs are 'yappy' anyway, my Pom would bark and if started, his whole body shook so I discount the dog's reaction. Not even worth mentioning but I do wish Cinnamon could have given a statement! poor little girl........

MooseMeMuch
So frustrating that the only one who knew exactly what happened was poor Cinnamon . I asked myself how it is possible that the perps committed such a heinous crime but they didn't hurt Cinnamon, Cinnamon probably barked when hell break through,
they could silenced her easily but they took the risk that the barks will a wake people and that might risk them and exposed them... and they didn't hurt Cinnamon/ I am very glad that Cinnamon Saved but Don't you find it strange and do you have a theory why They did not hurt the dog?

 

[MAVLEY]

MooseMeMuch
So frustrating that the only one who v knew exactly what happened was poor Cinnamon . I asked myself how it is possible that the perps committed such a heinous crime but they didn't hurt Cinnamon, Cinnamon probably barked when hell break through,
they could silenced her easily but they took the risk that the barks will a wake people and that might risk them and exposed them... and they didn't hurt Cinnamon/ I am very glad that Cinnamon Saved
, Don't you find it strange and do you have a theory why They did not hit the dog?

Perhaps they never made it in the house. Maybe everything happened at the doorway or they lured them all outside somehow. Dogs can sense bad people. Also, my dog will run the other direction if she sees a gun or gets in trouble while our guardian dog will not back down no matter what weapon you have. If you show up and I am not at the door to greet you, he probably won't let you onto our porch. The point is, Cinnamon may have got scared and hid from the danger instead of playing attack dog. There is no way to tell how cinnamon reacted to the events that night.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

The girls may not have made it back to Delmar. A fake cop could have went to the house to get Sherrill saying there was an emergency. She would have went willingly with no struggle.

or even one of the classmates...you here your baby's hurt and forget your name, let alone your purse and cigs....

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Perhaps they never made it in the house. Maybe everything happened at the doorway or they lured them all outside somehow. Dogs can sense bad people. Also, my dog will run the other direction if she sees a gun or gets in trouble while our guardian dog will not back down no matter what weapon you have. If you show up and I am not at the door to greet you, he probably won't let you onto our porch. The point is, Cinnamon may have got scared and hid from the danger instead of playing attack dog. There is no way to tell how cinnamon reacted to the events that night.

yes...very possible the perps never went inside, are my thoughts too.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

yes...very possible the perps never went inside, are my thoughts too.

Perhaps they never made it in the house. Maybe everything happened at the doorway or they lured them all outside somehow. Dogs can sense bad people. Also, my dog will run the other direction if she sees a gun or gets in trouble while our guardian dog will not back down no matter what weapon you have. If you show up and I am not at the door to greet you, he probably won't let you onto our porch. The point is, Cinnamon may have got scared and hid from the danger instead of playing attack dog. There is no way to tell how cinnamon reacted to the events that night.

If Cinnamon was hiding ( that's very possible,it leaves us with the question regarding to the three women's purses that were arranged next to each other, that was strange, so the question who arranged them like this, it looks a bit staged.

The Springfield Three: Missing Without a Trace for 25 Years

 

[chestnut&bypass]

I read recently that a thumb print was recovered from the screen door at the Delmar residence, belonging to Stacy. I have a few questions about this:

First of all, how in the world do they know what Stacy's thumb print looks like? Is it as easy as going to her house and printing her belongings or something to get a match? I doubt for any reason her prints were in a database in 1992....mine however, are updated every time I renew my CCW, and every three years for my commercial driver's license, as I have a hazmat endorsement and a TWIC card.

Secondly, can anybody provide a source verifying that SPD has such a print from Stacy?

Last, does anybody know if Stacy had ever been to the Delmar residence before? In my opinion, this thumb print can be more important than we realize, and here's why: some on the forum are still speculating as to whether or not the girls made it to Suzie's that fateful night. If Stacy hadn't been there more than a time or two....or never before that particular night, it proves beyond a shadow of doubt the girls made it to Suzie's, even if just for a brief time. How else would her thumb print appear on the screen door? This would rule out any foul play / disappearance at the parties. It would also suggest the girls drove their cars to Delmar, and one would have to assume the cars were found as the girls left them.

My speculation only of course.

 

[asyousay]

Just some random thoughts.

If Sherrill was the target why leave it so late to attack her?

Just say she had been bragging about her daughter graduating and she had the house all to herself that night as most hairdressers love to talk and the wrong person heard. Why would you attack seemingly after 3am in the morning? ( on the basis the girls got ready for bed nothing seems to point to anything be amiss)


Why does it seem (according to the early threads on here, bloody foot print) that Stacey was the only one to put up a struggle?

Does that point to Suzie and Sherrill knowing the perp/perps?

Did Stacey decide she didn’t care about the safety of the other two as she wasn’t related to them so she wouldn’t go easy?

If this was a single perp it was getting towards daylight if witness accounts are correct so where would you take the 3 woman after Delmar without being seen or heard and then be able to make a clean get away ?

If let’s say the perp/perps was already in the house when the girls got home and Sherrill was injured or even dead then why wouldn’t Suzie have put up more of a struggle?

Was the crime staged so that LE thought one thing when it was another?

I mean let’s be honest even if you are a rapist and you see Sherrill has a bag-full of money why wouldn’t you just take the money as it’s sitting there? - it seems like a conscious decision that the money was left behind imo


Were Suzie’s and Stacey’s car checked for finger prints as Nigel claims Suzie never parked like that as she was such a creature of habit so did the perp move the cars at some point?

 

[Talullah]

This article gives us more insight into Stacy’s relationship with her mom.

Three Missing Women: Ten Years Later - Part 3 of 5

 

[asyousay]

Let's make a pot of coffee, the friend suggested.

Janis thought, "I don't want to do that. What's Sherrill going to say when we're sitting in her kitchen drinking coffee?

I seriously do not get the brains of Janis or Janelle. It’s like they lived on a different planet. I am not suggesting Janis is behind any of this BUT c’mon. It’s ok to walk into someone’s home uninvited and go though their personal items and delete a valuable phone message BUT god forbid you drink their Coffee!!!!!


Another zinger

Bookout looked at Janis, "They could have just gone out having fun," he speculated.

"If she is, she's in her underwear," Janis answered. On the floor were Stacy's flowered shorts, her rings and her watch in the pocket.

Could she have worn some of Suzie's clothes to go out? Bookout asked.

No, Janis answered. Stacy wouldn't fit into Suzie's clothes

So why didn’t Janis think this was wasn’t a emergency again?

It was time to call police. But not 911, Janis thought. That's only for emergencies. And that's not what this was. Not yet

Your daughter would be wandering around in her underwear but nope that’s not weird or a massive RED FLAG that this is indeed a emergency

 

[Talullah]

Janis and another “friend” got Sherrill’s stepdaughter’s telephone number from Sherrill’s personal phone book. I don’t know about Sherrill but I kept a phone book in my purse before cell phones. I can’t help but wonder how many people went through Sherrill’s purse.
In the link I posted above there’s a story about Stacy sneaking out to to someone’s apartment. When she left Janis was waiting for her outside the complex. Janis knew Stacy was no angel but I think she tried to rationalize the oddities until she just couldn’t.

 

[chestnut&bypass]

This article gives us more insight into Stacy’s relationship with her mom.

Three Missing Women: Ten Years Later - Part 3 of 5

Taken from the link above:

Janis had talked to Janelle, who explained that she and Mike couldn't find Stacy and Suzie.

As the day wore on, Janis' voice on Suzie's answer machine was getting more frantic, her concern evident. Her worry grew when she got a call from a friend, the mother of one of Stacy's close friends.

"Are you aware Stacy's purse and her car and Suzie's car is still at Sherrill's house but the girls aren't?" the woman said.

Ok....check this out: if the above article is to be believed, Janis did at one point talk to Janelle and I guess Janelle explained that she couldn't find the girls....fair enough. But what in the ever-loving heck is this?? After that conversation, another parent informs Janis that the purses and cars are all there, and the girls are nowhere to be found!! HOW IS IT THAT JANELLE FAILED TO DISCLOSE THAT TO JANIS WHEN THEY TALKED EARLIER???

I guess Janelle casually says to Janis, "We came to the house, nobody home, not sure where they could be....", but fails to even mention in passing, "yeah, all three cars are here, all three purses are here, front door's unlocked, I've answered the phone twice now and it was some guy on the other end being sexually perverted...."

I really felt bad for Janelle lately, it seems like we're all kind of piling on a bit....but for me, this is a huge red flag. Janelle is supposed to be pretty close to Stacy, right? One would assume she was familiar with Janis, no? If in 2004, I were to find myself in a similar situation....show up to a house my best friend had stayed the night, find all his stuff there, another friend's stuff beside it, and the friend's mom's purse there too....not to mention three cars in the drive, keys inside the unlocked house....but nobody home....I would have called his mom IMMEDIATELY and said, "everybody's stuff is here, keys, wallets, cars....nobody home...."

THIS IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION PEOPLE.

....rant over, thanks for entertaining me.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Amateur video.....but it gives you 'the lay of the land'....he's driving north on Glenstone (Bus. 65) and makes a left turn onto Delmar.....the Levitt's house is just off of Glenstone. Easy access to/from the main thoroughfare.

He also takes you to the memorial garden where the dedicated bench is located, not far from the house.