MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #10 - Chauvin Trial Day 7

[MsBetsy]

I thought it was just me being sleepy, but testimony has dragged so far this morning. Drinking coffee now...

I thought maybe a few jurors were dozing off so the judge called for lunch.

 

[Niner]

I missed that - on break or actual lunch?
TIA!

That way I can go eat my dinner!

 

[angelainwi]

I missed that - on break or actual lunch?
TIA!

That way I can go eat my dinner!

Supposed to be back in one minute, only the morning break

 

[Boodles]

The crowd weren’t threatening anyone. If they had stood and said nothing that would be used against the prosecution in court too- ‘you were not concerned enough to voice it to the officers at the time’. The ‘possible threat’ of a small gathering of 7 people should not stop you from administering first aid. After all, that is what the witnesses were pleading with DC to do, to help GF when he was clearly not breathing. Tao seemed to be in charge of ‘crowd’ control anyway, I don’t see what that has to do with why Chauvin didn’t stop restraining Floyd, that would have stopped the crowd from begging officers to take a look at GF.

Yeah, 3 cops on Floyd, only 1 monitoring crowd, making sure they stayed on the curb. That crowd must have been terrifyingly threatening to the 3 cops on top of the victim. /sarcasm

 

[CrimeAway]

Supposed to be back in one minute, only the morning break

I think that the judge should call for a siesta

 

[Linda7NJ]

None of that justifies the officers using unnecessary and "unauthorized" use of force. We haven't heard one officer testify yet that his actions were 'not' excessive. Chauvin knew his actions could have caused serious bodily harm or death. He just didn't care.

you haven’t heard from defense witnesses yet

 

[CrimeAway]

Back on

 

[missy1974]

I thought it was just me being sleepy, but testimony has dragged so far this morning. Drinking coffee now...

So other than the hearing with Hall... I missed nothing by sleeping in?

It appears that there is no more debate about whether GF did or didn't ingest some sort of drug/drugs when MPD arrived?

I was up late and was rewatching some video's and reading the autopsy report. I had a thought while I was watching... they say that drugs were found in the squad car after the fact.. anyone have an opinion about where those drugs came from? They checked his pockets and were empty. His shoes maybe?

I don't know the laws in Minnesota, but from my LivePD watching days, I recall LE telling those that are arrested that they are better off telling LE where the drugs are hidden because if they find it when they go to jail it's a higher charge?

Oh I also saw on one of the video's the dripping from the squad car! I think it was in Keung's body cam video. If anyone has any doubt, I suggest watching it in full screen

 

[Linda7NJ]

Severe anxiety and difficulty breathing is indicative of a potential medical emergency. Perhaps they should have called for EMS at that point. Instead, they continued to push him into the vehicle which was causing escalation of the problems. Instead of calling EMS, they restrained him in a prone position. This alone can kill someone if they are are not rolled into the recovery position ASAP- even someone who is not already having difficulty breathing. They proceeded to place weight on his back and neck, further obstructing his ability to breathe. After he stopped talking and moving they continued this restraint. After he stopped breathing and no pulse was found- the restraint continued and no medical attention was provided by officers who were trained to do so.

I can’t argue against any of that. Makes sense to me.

I will however suggest police have lots & lots of experience with suspects claiming they can’t breathe when the person appears (with their limited training) to be breathing just fine.

 

[Shaddow]

floyd was fighting “too breath” or fighting because he simply didn’t want to be arrested the entire time he was conscious - long before any knee involvement

The police would have no idea the reason Floyd fought them the entire time until he fell unconscious

testimony from multiple witnesses thus far tgat sometimes when regaining consciousness suspect becomes even more combative

So let's let him die because he "might" be more of a threat if regained consciousnesses. He was not fighting on the ground─after he was handcuffed and had three officers on his back─especially after he stop breathing...

 

[Inthedetails]

I can’t argue against any of that. Makes sense to me.

I will however suggest police have lots & lots of experience with suspects claiming they can’t breathe when the person appears (with their limited training) to be breathing just fine.

GF wasn't breathing just fine.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So let's let him die because he "might" be more of a threat if regained consciousnesses. He was not fighting on the ground─after he was handcuffed and had three officers on his back─especially after he stop breathing...

we don’t know that Chauvin knew he stopped breathing or if / when

 

[ilovewings]

Omg! This unruly crowd angle is wearing thin! I just feel like the harder he presses this point the less credible he appears. I know it’s his job etc etc but geez!

You will have to forgive me, but this "unruly crowd angle" is one significant reason I cannot stand criminal defense attorneys. It is always "look over there"- the unruly crowd angle is just a pile of garbage and he is relentless in pushing it. It is nauseating.

 

[CrimeAway]

So other than the hearing with Hall... I missed nothing by sleeping in?

It appears that there is no more debate about whether GF did or didn't ingest some sort of drug/drugs when MPD arrived?

I was up late and was rewatching some video's and reading the autopsy report. I had a thought while I was watching... they say that drugs were found in the squad car after the fact.. anyone have an opinion about where those drugs came from? They checked his pockets and were empty. His shoes maybe?

I don't know the laws in Minnesota, but from my LivePD watching days, I recall LE telling those that are arrested that they are better off telling LE where the drugs are hidden because if they find it when they go to jail it's a higher charge?

Oh I also saw on one of the video's the dripping from the squad car! I think it was in Keung's body cam video. If anyone has any doubt, I suggest watching it in full screen

Just 2 (prosecution) witnesses from the PD re:
1) Crisis Intervention Training (CIT)
2) Use of force.

I would have slept longer, but my dogs had other ideas.

AFAIK there are indeed additional charges if an arrestee carries drugs across a "guard line" (into a detention facility). That is just my general belief and I don't know the specifics in MN.

 

[ACE422]

I can’t argue against any of that. Makes sense to me.

I will however suggest police have lots & lots of experience with suspects claiming they can’t breathe when the person appears (with their limited training) to be breathing just fine.

I also have a lot of experience with individuals who sometimes complain of medical issues when there are really are none-however I always take their complaints seriously to rule out medical issues. When you assume someone is faking and take no action to address their concerns when you are specifically tasked with their safety, you set yourself up for liability if they are experiencing a legitimate medical problem.

 

[Linda7NJ]

We don’t know at what point exactly Floyd lost consciousness verses when pulse was lost, time wise, and what Chauvin knew & when

 

[Linda7NJ]

I also have a lot of experience with individuals who sometimes complain of medical issues when there are really are none-however I always take their complaints seriously to rule out medical issues. When you assume someone is faking and take no action to address their concerns when you are specifically tasked with their safety, you set yourself up for liability if they are experiencing a legitimate medical problem.

Yes, but how often do you encounter someone that was thrashing around and couldn’t be restrained by one man, nor three men to simply put him in a car ? Needed to be restrained for their own safety as well as others ?

 

[Shaddow]

we don’t know that Chauvin knew he stopped breathing or if / when

Wow. Don't you think he should have checked? GF was not resisting. He was motionless. They offered no medical help. Chauvin just continued to put pressure on GF, neck even after he was dead. After GF was in custody, he was in the care of those officers and they let him die.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wow. Don't you think he should have checked? GF was not resisting. He was motionless. They offered no medical help. Chauvin just continued to put pressure on GF, neck even after he was dead. After GF was in custody, he was in the care of those officers and they let him die.

maybe - or maybe GF overdosed

 

[Shaddow]

We don’t know at what point exactly Floyd lost consciousness verses when pulse was lost, time wise, and what Chauvin knew & when

Chauvin didn't bother to check and when another officer asked to roll GF over, Chauvin said no.