MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9

[GarAndTeed]

Ok, then it definitely wasn't that, since he was already dead. Thank you.

You're very welcome!

 

[MsBetsy]

Hi I'm in the UK so not sure of the sentences in the US. If DC gets sentenced to 2nd degree murder what sort of sentence would he get.

I have to admit (and please don't all hate me) I was thinking that DC's life is literally over whether he is charged guilty or not guilty and was thinking it was a shame because I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and thinking he didn't mean it. But looking at the footage really makes me think it was deliberate. My heart goes out to George Floyd's family and to him he seemed such a poor soul.

The maximum penalty for second degree murder is 40 years, but since Chauvin has no previous record he could get half that. It all depends on what the judge decides is appropriate and how many charges he is convicted of. Imo

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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WATCH LIVE: #DerekChauvinTrial is back in session. Dr. Tobin now under cross-exam by Eric Nelson. First thing Nelson reiterates that Tobin has never testified in a criminal case before.

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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WATCH LIVE: #DerekChauvinTrial is back in session. Dr. Tobin now under cross-exam by Eric Nelson. First thing Nelson reiterates that Tobin has never testified in a criminal case before.

 

[MsBetsy]

I would really like to know if the jurors were looking at Chauvin while Dr. Tobin was testifying to see if he had any reaction or showed any signs of remorse.

 

[Chelly]

Hi I'm in the UK so not sure of the sentences in the US. If DC gets sentenced to 2nd degree murder what sort of sentence would he get.

I have to admit (and please don't all hate me) I was thinking that DC's life is literally over whether he is charged guilty or not guilty and was thinking it was a shame because I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and thinking he didn't mean it. But looking at the footage really makes me think it was deliberate. My heart goes out to George Floyd's family and to him he seemed such a poor soul.

I continue to give DC the benefit of the doubt. Trial is a long way from being over. I'm waiting for Defense to convince me that GF died of overdose. Until then, I'll keep open mind (not so much that my brain falls out though )

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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Wow! Very interesting that Nelson didn't receive Tobin's visuals/exhibits until last night. Most of the time exhibits associated with an expert are provided with more lead time than that. Am I correct

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Replying to
@cathyrusson
@KenneyBaden
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@RBianchiEsq
No. Not necessarily. He would have been given the reports and the raw data and information prior to a trial but if an exhibit was made from that data it could be given just before the witness takes the stand. This is fairy common. But shocking to those who don’t know that

 

[Katerz]

Question.. does the defense have access before trial to the line of questioning from the prosecution??

 

[Katerz]

Nelson is letting the witness continue to talk with his answers.. that may backfire because the witness can go on to explain even more detail.

 

[Chelly]

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  @cathyrusson
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  #DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson: You are aware that the hypopharynx was photographed at autopsy and no injury was noted? Tobin said he is aware of that.
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  #DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson: If a Mpls police trainer said that officers are trained if a person can speak, they can breathe, "You would have a problem with that?" Tobin: They are able to breathe at that moment in time but 10 secs later they may be dead"
  
  (having probs posting tweets, so will call it a day.)

 

[Katerz]

The little joking exchange just now makes this witness even more likable. To me it seems Nelson isn’t really scoring at points here. Witness isn’t unnerved at all!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Pool reporter wrote this: "I'm struck by how engaged jurors were through this whole testimony. Despite technical nature they took notes and remained attentive throughout."

Pool reporter also notes that "jurors lean in toward monitors" while video played and Dr. Tobin notes when Floyd lost consciousness.

They also noted that Floyd's family member "doesn't appear to look at a screen" during that video.

Eric Nelson starts his cross examination of Dr. Tobin.

Some laughs in the courtroom as Nelson says, "I'll take a sip. Cheers, like they say in Ireland."

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380227411934072837?s=21

 

[Katerz]

Here we go with the drug talk. Insert eye roll.

 

[Cubby]

Nelson is stumbling all over his questions. Tobin is Not buying Nelson's attempt to muddy his testimony.

 

[JerseyGirl]

N: You would agree with me that as this incident was occurring there was nobody measuring the units of force that were placed on any particular position of any particular person...there was nobody there measuring them at the time.
DT: I agree that, but they're all calculable.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380229338663116801?s=21

Nelson: They're looking at things beyond a nanosecond. Right?
Dr. Tobin: No, I mean, I think, in terms of a pathologist, they're looking at a nanosecond, they're looking at the nanosecond of death.

Nelson: They're making an inference based on a pathological time point considering a multitude of biological factors that are involved in the death of a person, right?
Dr. Tobin: I mean it's the same as any physician is looking at it multitude of factors.

 

[JerseyGirl]

DT: ...the low level of oxygen caused the damage to the brain, the low level of oxygen separately cause the pulseless electrical arrhythmia.
N: So it's an example of how multiple processes are occurring simultaneously...
DT: It's a low level of oxygen that's doing both...

Nelson asks about the "if you can speak, you can breathe" analysis. "You describe this as a very dangerous proposition...causing a false sense of security to people."

Nelson points to something in Dr. Tobin's report about how physicians can confuse a diagnosis when a patient comes in expressing a difficulty to breathe.

Dr. Tobin says he was writing to hyperventilating, says it's "very different than the difficulty with speech."

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380231354160386053?s=21

 

[GarAndTeed]

Question.. does the defense have access before trial to the line of questioning from the prosecution??

I don't think so, but the prosecution has to provide discovery (witnesses, exhibits, etc.) before trial.

 

[JerseyGirl]

N: You would agree that your calculations are generally theoretical, correct?
DT: No, they're not theoretical. I mean they're based on direct measurements.

Nelson: You're making certain assumptions in the application of that science...
Dr. Tobin: Very few assumptions.

Nelson goes on to list Chauvin's weight, gear weight, etc.

Nelson struggles to say respiratory rate, laughs and says, "I can't say it. I'm taken by your accent."

Laughter in the courtroom.

Nelson eventually says it the way Dr. Tobin says it.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380232987485343747?s=21

 

[Weki]

Wow Nelson is off his game today! The momentum has shifted to the state today. He’s losing his voice and he seems flustered/intimidated by this witness. JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

N: You would not describe him as hyperventilating.
DT: The word hyperventilation is open to an awful lot of misinterpretation. That is most certainly not hyperventilation.


N: Mr. Floyd was a smoker, and smoking, changes the lung function...I'm not suggesting that people who smoke have lung problems, right?
DT: Less than 10% do. 90% don't have any.


Nelson says "the end result of fentanyl can include respiratory depression."

Dr. Tobin says yes, but through neural receptors.


https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380234201031704585?s=21