MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #7 - Chauvin Trial Day 4

[dixiegirl1035]

You never can tell. There may be some who have gone through hell and had their family ruined trying to deal with a drug addict in their family.

I think it would depend if they had an addict in their family who did get help because they knew they needed it or knew they had a serious problem, but refused to get help.

But like I said you never know how any juror is processing any testimony. It may not be at all like we may process it.

I think the juror who may be vital is the nurse. They will look at this more clinically without emotions imo. They may have already seen the behavior being displayed by George before that day, and why patients were displaying this behavior.

Jmho

There are MANY folks in the US with addictions. (about the same percentage of left handers MOO ) So odds are in this group, more than 1 in this jury will know an addict through family or friends. MOO 10 percent of US adults have drug use disorder at some point in their lives

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ohhhhhh so defense is trying to dispel that he was calling out for his mother in his last moments. He was possibly calling for Ms. Ross. We’re getting into the nitty gritty of the case now! Whew! It’s gonna get heated.

The prosecutor should have already addressed this in their direct examination of this woman.

It leaves the jury wondering why they didn't disclose it to them first.

Imo, this is huge because so much was been made out of him calling for his mother, and I think we all assumed it was his bio mom. I know I did anyway.

Have we seen George's mom speaking out in the media? Does anyone know if he was close to her? Tia.

Just wondering. Does George have a living grandmother?

Jmho

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Another thing, when Williams testified, I thought it was, can’t think of the word, “intense” maybe, when the defense asked him:

Nelson: “Did you call Chauvin a ******...?”
Williams, looks right at Chauvin, “Yes, I did.”

Nelson: “Did you also call Chauvin a *****...?”
Williams, looks right at Chauvin, and says “Yes, I did.”

Nelson: “Did you also call Chauvin a ********...?“
Williams, looks right at Chauvin, “Yes, I did.”

I believe that TOS allows us to use the word Maggot, which he called him.

Derek Chauvin trial: Jury sees new video of George Floyd before ... to their family safe, but today I look at you as a maggot,'" McMillian said. Chauvin trial live: Minneapolis firefighter, bystanders testify | khou.com

 

[margarita25]

I believe that TOS allows us to use the word Maggot, which he called him.

Derek Chauvin trial: Jury sees new video of George Floyd before ... to their family safe, but today I look at you as a maggot,'" McMillian said. Chauvin trial live: Minneapolis firefighter, bystanders testify | khou.com

(LoL)

(eta: Cool, @dixiegirl1035, now I know which word I can use in the future on the board here so as to not go to band camp for “circumventing profanity filters”. )

 

[Inthedetails]

The prosecutor should have already addressed this in their direct examination of this woman.

It leaves the jury wondering why they didn't disclose it to them first.

Imo, this is huge because so much was been made out of him calling for his mother, and I think we all assumed it was his bio mom. I know I did anyway.

Have we seen George's mom speaking out in the media? Does anyone know if he was close to her? Tia.

Just wondering. Does George have a living grandmother?

Jmho

Help me out, I'm not seeing how it matters if he was calling out for his girlfriend, mom, or grandma - or to all of them collectively in his distress. Does that make a difference in how he was treated at the scene?

Serious question, not snark.

jmo

 

[tara83]

The prosecutor should have already addressed this in their direct examination of this woman.

It leaves the jury wondering why they didn't disclose it to them first.

Imo, this is huge because so much was been made out of him calling for his mother, and I think we all assumed it was his bio mom. I know I did anyway.

Have we seen George's mom speaking out in the media? Does anyone know if he was close to her? Tia.

Just wondering. Does George have a living grandmother?

Jmho

I'm confused why it would matter whether he called out to his mother or girlfriend for help.The point was he was rightfully scared for his life.

 

[Weki]

What are you thinking? Either way, I feel he was crying out for someone to help him. I still stand by the fact that I feel he knew he was going to die, especially if he was crying out “mama I love you”, etc.

It’s impossible to know. I agree it almost seemed like he knew he was going to die as soon as the police tried to put him in the car. He was panicked.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I worry for her safety? Publicly naming drug dealers?

How is the order of witnesses selected? Wondering if it would it have been better to have the bystanders go later, closer to decision time, or first to set the emotional tone.

Welcome to WS!

It has been stated you want the strongest witnesses first and last. Makes sense to have these folks as it allllll was part of one timeline, back to back in order. And then move on.

The prosecution used strategy to develop order of witnesses. Timelines work well, until you get into docs and technical stuff. Expect the last prosecution witness to be a strong one. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

The prosecutor should have already addressed this in their direct examination of this woman.

It leaves the jury wondering why they didn't disclose it to them first.

Imo, this is huge because so much was been made out of him calling for his mother, and I think we all assumed it was his bio mom. I know I did anyway.

Have we seen George's mom speaking out in the media? Does anyone know if he was close to her? Tia.

Just wondering. Does George have a living grandmother?

Jmho

His mother died two years ago, but I don't think it makes a difference whether he was calling out to his mother or his on and off girlfriend. I think it's more likely he was referring to his mother, since he was also saying he was going to die and may have been thinking he was about to join her.

 

[Tom_Servo]

I don't think the witness was unflattering, just her description of the world GF lived in. A psychiatrist client once told me "the friends you choose are a mirror of you". Regardless of what world GF lived in he didn't deserve to get killed. I could see how some people, even a jury, could look poorly upon someone with that lifestyle. I certainly know people that do. It's an unsavory way for defense attorneys to explore but I guess it's their job. It would make me feel dirty, couldn't do it.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

So the time he was hospitalized before was due to heroin overdose. My understanding is heroine was not found in his system the day he died. It was fentanyl and meth. But we know there’s going to be medical testimony on the levels and they’re going to see it was really high fentanyl. But we also see him tap dancing in the store. BUT he took more once he got in the car. BUT again, he was walking and resisting getting in the back seat against 4 officers so that doesn’t exactly show someone that was overdosing. But I know very little about drug use/overdose.

Again, unless they can say that he would’ve died even with no police interaction none of this absolves Chauvin. But for Chauvin assaulting him and denying him medical attention he wouldn’t have died unless some medical expert says he would’ve. And I don’t know what credible expert would be willing to say that bc how in the heck can they know!?

The defense atty asked the question re heroin, but NO, that was not brought into evidence as such. Defense attys are great putting stuff in folks minds such as they just did. MOO

It is NOT evidence, and should not even be considered MOO

Also, post stated "BUT he took more once he got in the car." MOO, that has not been put on record as fact that I know of. That is a MOO of post in my opinion vs. fact.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I suppose it had to come up sooner or later but this witness really exposed the unflattering side of GF's world and circle of friends.

Oops.

 

[JerseyGirl]

By calling Ross to the stand, prosecutors are attempting to not only humanize Floyd but also establish he had a high tolerance for fentanyl. An autopsy determined that Floyd was intoxicated with fentanyl and had recently used methamphetamines.

The defense has claimed that Floyd may have died from a drug overdose — not from being pinned under Chauvin's knee for 9 minutes, 29 seconds.

Attorney Eric Nelson asked Courteney Ross several questions about Maurice Hall providing Floyd with drugs. Hall was a friend of Floyd’s who was with him on the day that he died. Hall was in the passenger seat of the car when police approached Floyd.

Ross said, "she didn't like Maurice very much."

She said she did not see Floyd purchase drugs from Hall "with my own eyes" but speculated that he did.

A cashier at Cup Foods testified Wednesday that Hall had tried to use a fake $20 at the store earlier in the day on May 25, 2020, the day when Floyd died.

Hall has filed notice that he plans to invoke his 5th Amendment right not to testify in the case.

Derek Chauvin trial live: Updates on George Floyd's death

 

[thx4_medic_Babby]

I'm confused why it would matter whether he called out to his mother or girlfriend for help.The point was he was rightfully scared for his life.

I think it helps clear the misconception that he was somehow calling out for his birth mother, or “seeing” her in a spiritual sense.

Many have made a point that it was emotional to them. IMO, pretending all of a sudden it is not a big deal, is simply moving goalposts.

 

[Weki]

Defense has to poke holes and make GF seem less sympathetic, hence the whole ‘oh he wasn’t calling for his momma who died, he was calling for his co-dependent drug addicted girlfriend.’

It’s not a big thing but defense is going to keep building on it and try to paint a mosaic of GF’s life and habits to counter those videos.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Help me out, I'm not seeing how it matters if he was calling out for his girlfriend, mom, or grandma - or to all of them collectively in his distress. Does that make a difference in how he was treated at the scene?

Serious question, not snark.

jmo

ITA, none of this smoke and mirrors has anything to do with the facts of this case.

 

[margarita25]

From my YouTube feed:

Rev. Al Sharpton:

“Chauvin Is In the Courtroom, But America Is On Trial.”

 

[JerseyGirl]

Courteney Ross, George Floyd's girlfriend, testified that in March 2020, Floyd was hospitalized for an overdose.

Responding to questions from defense attorney Eric Nelson, Ross said she picked Floyd up one night to take him to work, but he didn't feel well, so she took him to the hospital instead.

"I thought I was taking him to work. He wasn't feeling good. His stomach really hurt. He was doubled over in pain. Just wasn't feeling well, and he said he had to go to the hospital, so I took him straight to the hospital. We went to the ER, and they were checking him out in the ER, and it was getting late. And I had to go to work myself that Friday night," she said.

"You later learned that that was due to an overdose?" Nelson asked.

"Yes," Ross responded

Nelson then asked Ross if she learned what caused the overdose. She said she did not.

Here's how the rest of the exchange happened:

Nelson: "At that time frame, did you learn that Mr. Floyd was taking anything other than opioids?"
Ross: "No."
Nelson: "You did not know that he had taken heroin at that time?"
Ross: "No."

Prosecutors were the first to ask about opioid use during the trial to get ahead of some of the defense team's arguments. Defense attorneys plan to make the case that Floyd died of unrelated medical issues and drug use.

Derek Chauvin is on trial for George Floyd's death: Live updates

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Prosecution's redirect was golden "what was that feeling like; it kept me up all night, stimulants"
Sure, Floyd did have Fentanyl in his system but his behaviour was NOT lethargic, quite the opposite

@Inthedetails 20 mins break

Does fentanyl make someone lethargic? All I know it can be deadly. Even the dust from it can be very harmful from what I've read.

I admit I know next to nothing when it comes to these kind of drugs though.

Isn't fentanyl 100 times more lethal than morphine? Tia!

I don't think any of this testimony will make a difference in the end unless the defense has a convincing expert stating since he had just taken these drugs, and had heart disease too it caused him to have a heart attack or go into cardiac arrest. I highly doubt they will be able to prove it though.

Even if it happened George was in the care of the defendant who failed to help him.

Jmho

 

[UKslueth2018]

I hope the overdose testimony doesn’t confuse matters.

Ultimately we will never know that as he as down on the ground for over 9 minutes. Jmo