MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #9 - Chauvin Trial Day 6

[UKslueth2018]

State asked question about freezing scene and now police chief dismissed

Side bar

 

[Linda7NJ]

I will agree as to all four of your points that they did occur, imo:

1. GF did have poor health re: just getting over covid.
2. No doubt he made bad decisions ($20)
3. He did use drugs.
4. There was non compliance during his arrest initially, until they got him on the ground, imo.

Here’s where we get into the meat of it.

What about the 5th variable, DC’s knee on his neck.

Do you believe this played a role? As a “5th Element”, so to speak?
Was this is a contributing factor? Do you think his knee on his neck for 9:00+ cut off the oxygen/blood?

Which again, brings it full circle:

He had poor health wrt post covid imo, made bad decisions, had drugs in system, and resisted arrested, but would he be alive today without DC’s knee on his neck? This for me is the bottom line, jmo. It comes down to the knee being a “substantial causal factor”, which I think is all that the prosecution needs to prove.

I agree with you, as evident by your opinion, and the opinions of some others who have posted here reflect, that it is possible the jury may have some doubt.

So, who knows what’s going to happen.

But my opinion is, people were yelling to get off his neck, he knew, he could “felt” GF’s responsiveness (or lack thereof), DC should have known and would have known imo that this was a life threatening means of restraint, and should have gotten off his neck, that this was beyond a dangerous move. (Short answer)

yeah, not loosening up restraint after he fell unconscious is a problem for me too.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Next witness:

Katy Blackwell. Think she is training MPd person

 

[margarita25]

Wx17

Was is your testimony that it is not an MPd approved neck restraint

Witness. Yes that is my testimony

Going over Nelson exhibits. Did you see any indication that gf was actively resisting as it was defining in MPd policy

Witness I did not see gf resisting

Doh I’m assuming that means EX 17.

meaning hello I called that one.

 

[turaj]

Boy what was Nelson's point in comparing this to a gun battle???? Frankly he looked really bad on that one

 

[UKslueth2018]

Doh I’m assuming that means EX 17.

Totally the phone and me don’t always get it right lol xx

 

[UKslueth2018]

Katy. Inspector of 5th now. Was commander of training division

Doing the background blurb

 

[thx4_medic_Babby]

My concern is the new autopsy report that was coincidentally released after the riots began.

The only other autopsy I’m aware of includes a party that didn’t even see GF’s physical body, if I remember correctly.

 

[margarita25]

yeah, not loosening up restraint after he fell unconscious is a problem for me too.

(I love a respectful, intellectual discussion, thank you for that opportunity, I think ultimately that’s why I’m here.)

(Are we on break or sidebar yet? I want to tell you about the time my friend was in the Police Academy, this was when I was in college, we were partying and drinking hard late into the early hours and I said, “try to arrest me. See if you can get me in handcuffs”. Lol. Basically I got hurt. BADLY. Lol)

Katy. Inspector of 5th now. Was commander of training division

Doing the background blurb

(Oh, sorry, still in session my bad)

 

[Linda7NJ]

I will agree as to all four of your points that they did occur, imo:

1. GF did have poor health re: just getting over covid.
2. No doubt he made bad decisions ($20)
3. He did use drugs.
4. There was non compliance during his arrest initially, until they got him on the ground, imo.

Here’s where we get into the meat of it.

What about the 5th variable, DC’s knee on his neck.

Do you believe this played a role? As a “5th Element”, so to speak?
Was this is a contributing factor? Do you think his knee on his neck for 9:00+ cut off the oxygen/blood?

Which again, brings it full circle:

He had poor health wrt post covid imo, made bad decisions, had drugs in system, and resisted arrested, but would he be alive today without DC’s knee on his neck? This for me is the bottom line, jmo. It comes down to the knee being a “substantial causal factor”, which I think is all that the prosecution needs to prove.

I agree with you, as evident by your opinion, and the opinions of some others who have posted here reflect, that it is possible the jury may have some doubt.

So, who knows what’s going to happen.

But my opinion is, people were yelling to get off his neck, he knew, he could “felt” GF’s responsiveness (or lack thereof), DC should have known and would have known imo that this was a life threatening means of restraint, and should have gotten off his neck, that this was beyond a dangerous move. (Short answer)

yeah, not loosening up restraint after he fell unconscious is a problem for me too.

I will agree as to all four of your points that they did occur, imo:

1. GF did have poor health re: just getting over covid.
2. No doubt he made bad decisions ($20)
3. He did use drugs.
4. There was non compliance during his arrest initially, until they got him on the ground, imo.

Here’s where we get into the meat of it.

What about the 5th variable, DC’s knee on his neck.

Do you believe this played a role? As a “5th Element”, so to speak?
Was this is a contributing factor? Do you think his knee on his neck for 9:00+ cut off the oxygen/blood?

Which again, brings it full circle:

He had poor health wrt post covid imo, made bad decisions, had drugs in system, and resisted arrested, but would he be alive today without DC’s knee on his neck? This for me is the bottom line, jmo. It comes down to the knee being a “substantial causal factor”, which I think is all that the prosecution needs to prove.

I agree with you, as evident by your opinion, and the opinions of some others who have posted here reflect, that it is possible the jury may have some doubt.

So, who knows what’s going to happen.

But my opinion is, people were yelling to get off his neck, he knew, he could “felt” GF’s responsiveness (or lack thereof), DC should have known and would have known imo that this was a life threatening means of restraint, and should have gotten off his neck, that this was beyond a dangerous move. (Short answer)

GF had way more health problems than just recovering from Covid

Had the cop been cutting off GF’s airway - he couldn’t have been screaming, yelling and carrying on - he would have fallen unconscious way sooner - in my opinion

 

[UKslueth2018]

Katy has been to Bosnia and Iraq. Began police in 1999

 

[UKslueth2018]

Very impressive record. Haven’t the energy to type it all but she has done a lot

 

[turaj]

Ms. Blackwell has impressive creds

 

[UKslueth2018]

Asking now about training and components

Asking about dc. Known him for almost 20 years. Pointing him out

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

No. That was at the end of the restraint when paramedics were on scene.

Nelson went out of his way to show it was at the same point in time. Just a different camera angle.

Tbh DC never changed position or removed his knee even after medics arrived. IMO at least that is what has been discussed ad nauseum.

 

[Algo214]

The end of cross and then redirect and recross were amazing lawyering.

 

[margarita25]

Katy. Inspector of 5th now. Was commander of training division

Doing the background blurb

(Oh, sorry, still in session my bad)

Boy what was Nelson's point in comparing this to a gun battle???? Frankly he looked really bad on that one

(Oh do I have some notes on that one:

From my notes on day 4: (This is why I haven’t posted them yet: (Typos, shorthand, etc.)

Rough notes:
“Critical thinking model - requires officers....take in different information...could be also to use “less force“, if the subject is not resisting, there is no need to continue to restrain him...or if they didn’t have a (?) or of they weren’t breathing ...less violent, like render medical assistance

U received body cam footage , didn’t see a “gun battle“)

 

[UKslueth2018]

Did I just hear they trained together?

 

[margarita25]

yeah, not loosening up restraint after he fell unconscious is a problem for me too.


GF had way more health problems than just recovering from Covid

Had the cop been cutting off GF’s airway - he couldn’t have been screaming, yelling and carrying on - he would have fallen unconscious way sooner - in my opinion

Re: “Had the cop been cutting off GF’s airway - he couldn’t have been screaming, yelling and carrying on - he would have fallen unconscious way sooner - in my opinion“

Hmmm. Let’s pause on that one for now. I’ll meet you here.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Asking about training facilities and people in it

Rank structure
3 Lt
One covered pre service
One covered use of force
One covered Defensive tactics