MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #9 - Chauvin Trial Day 6

[UKslueth2018]

Clarifying about the knee on shoulder blade

Very shortly before they loaded gf on ambulance

Witness yes

Did you see dc knee on his neck up until the point you just pointed out

Witness yes

 

[turaj]

Yeh think Nelson will appreciate that break... "It's been a long week" after all.

I'm a bit sad for him. I want to hear a clear defence but it's really falling flat.

I don't think he is on his game at all....I don't feel he made any progress with the chief other than confusion.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Wx17

Was is your testimony that it is not an MPd approved neck restraint

Witness. Yes that is my testimony

Going over Nelson exhibits. Did you see any indication that gf was actively resisting as it was defining in MPd policy

Witness I did not see gf resisting

 

[UKslueth2018]

Would you even say he was passively resisting

Witness no. I did not even know if gf was alive at that time

 

[margarita25]

Clarifying about the knee on shoulder blade

Very shortly before they loaded gf on ambulance

Witness yes

Did you see dc knee on his neck up until the point you just pointed out

Witness yes

(I’m not watching, but just wanted to pull from my notes Exhibit 60- I marked this with an asterix re: “shoulder”, I think this is the photo that shows the injury extensively (while other(s) also show the redness))


Ex 56
Photo of paramedic#2, DS, checking GF for carotid pulse (on street)

Ex 57
Photo inside ambulance of paramedic#2, DS, checking GF for carotid pulse (reconfirming assessment)


Ex 58
Photo inside ambulance of DS, paramedic #2, checking for pulse (repositioning)


Ex 59
Photo inside ambulance, officer starting chest compressions

Ex 60
Superficial injuries
*shoulder
Photo inside ambulance

Ex 61
Photo inside ambulance, superficial injuries

 

[MsBetsy]

chief used it as an example he was in pain

It sure looked that way. His neck was pushed down so low you could hardly tell he had one.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Talking about hobble and supervisor being called

 

[Cubby]

I agree about the odd behaviour before the restraint took place. And yet Nelson hasn't bought it in yet...

I don't think he is on his game at all....I don't feel he made any progress with the chief other than confusion.

Nelson did get the chief to say or agree that a suspect is or can be just as much of a threat handcuffed as they are uncuffed.

 

[UKslueth2018]

MPd policy of use of the mrt requires an officer to do what

Witness. We have to get that person into a side recovery position that is paramount. That is supposed to be immediate

 

[UKslueth2018]

Now talking about positional asphyxia and now imperative recovery position is

Now onto in service training

 

[Linda7NJ]

side by side video

Whoa - so the photo shown around the world - his knee and was NOT even ON HIS NECK!

WOW

 

[thx4_medic_Babby]

side by side video

Whoa - so the photo shown around the world - his knee and was NOT even ON HIS NECK!

WOW

Right in tune with the autopsy findings.

Knee on shoulder blade.

 

[ilovewings]

(You and I have been cool over the years, L4J, let me respectfully ask you this: (not arguing, asking respectfully, honestly curious—if this is tricky per moderator, no worries, apologies please delete)-do you think GF would be alive right now if DC hadn’t kneed on his neck? Not inciting conflict, quite the opposite, just a question. )

I will answer that--- yes

 

[UKslueth2018]

The amount of force a n officer can use is dependent on the subject

Witness yes it’s fair to say that

Ex of state lawyer in a hold. Which witness has just asked clarity on

Which was if he was holding him and judge picked up something would that justify using more force on state lawyer

Witness no it does not

 

[margarita25]

Showing camera with Dc knee on neck

Witness

Yes

Restarting video ( it is painful to keep seeing it)

Would you agree that from perspective that from officer keongs body cam that dcs knee was more on shoulder

Witness yes

Nelson rests

(Moo jmo Can we look at Ex 17 please? Moo)

 

[UKslueth2018]

Would one way to de-escalate the crowd be to stop the thing you are doing to escalate the crowd

Witness yes it would

State rests

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

My concern here is, the autopsy gives no indication of neck-area damage.

My concern is the new autopsy report that was coincidentally released after the riots began.

 

[margarita25]

Someone who is handcuffed can equally be a threat to an officer as one who is not

Witness yes

(Very interesting, jmo)

 

[Linda7NJ]

I will agree as to all four of your points that they did occur, imo:

1. GF did have poor health re: just getting over covid.
2. No doubt he made bad decisions ($20)
3. He did use drugs.
4. There was non compliance during his arrest initially, until they got him on the ground, imo.

Here’s where we get into the meat of it.

What about the 5th variable, DC’s knee on his neck.

Do you believe this played a role? As a “5th Element”, so to speak?
Was this is a contributing factor? Do you think his knee on his neck for 9:00+ cut off the oxygen/blood?

Which again, brings it full circle:

He had poor health wrt post covid imo, made bad decisions, had drugs in system, and resisted arrested, but would he be alive today without DC’s knee on his neck? This for me is the bottom line, jmo. It comes down to the knee being a “substantial causal factor”, which I think is all that the prosecution needs to prove.

I agree with you, as evident by your opinion, and the opinions of some others who have posted here reflect, that it is possible the jury may have some doubt.

So, who knows what’s going to happen.

But my opinion is, people were yelling to get off his neck, he knew, he could “felt” GF’s responsiveness (or lack thereof), DC should have known and would have known imo that this was a life threatening means of restraint, and should have gotten off his neck, that this was beyond a dangerous move. (Short answer)

bottom line - I doubt the knee on the neck killed him
I’m open to hearing the evidence though.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Nelson back asking about recovery position

You said it was immediate

Yes

Policy says as soon as you are able too

Yes

Certain circumstances use of force need to be continued before you can render medical aid

Yes

Now we using example of gun battle

And he answered yes in that hypothetical

Now state back

 

[ElizaKate]

side by side video

Whoa - so the photo shown around the world - his knee and was NOT even ON HIS NECK!

WOW

No. That was at the end of the restraint when paramedics were on scene.