MN - Jamar Clark, 24, shot by LE, Minneapolis, 15 Nov 2015

[Woodland]

Part of the problem, corruption:

Feds indict former Community Action of Minneapolis director Bill Davis, son
Bill Davis and his son face charges in Community Action of Mpls. scandal.

http://www.startribune.com/feds-ind...inneapolis-director-bill-davis-son/326483701/

"A federal grand jury Thursday indicted the former director of the Community Action of Minneapolis and his son, a Minneapolis police officer, on charges of alleged theft and fraud for misusing $250,000 in taxpayer money."

Despicable.

 

[bluesneakers]

Part of the problem, corruption:

Feds indict former Community Action of Minneapolis director Bill Davis, son
Bill Davis and his son face charges in Community Action of Mpls. scandal.

http://www.startribune.com/feds-ind...inneapolis-director-bill-davis-son/326483701/

"A federal grand jury Thursday indicted the former director of the Community Action of Minneapolis and his son, a Minneapolis police officer, on charges of alleged theft and fraud for misusing $250,000 in taxpayer money."

Well. That unfortunately sounds very familiar right now.

 

[ninij9]

You said:



That's not true.

I will amend that point then. I don't see protests for any other police on citizen shootings though.

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[bluesneakers]

I will amend that point then. I don't see protests for any other police on citizen shootings though.

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Where are all the people who talk about ALM? Why aren't they out there protesting?
What do you do when a police officer shoots an innocent, unarmed person?

 

[Always Amazed]

The community DOES rally for other victims:

Marchers Gather In Memory Of Slain Community Activist, Artist

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/...traged-over-artists-killing-in-home-invasion/

"“Whoever the perpetrators are, we’ve got to get the word out, and whether white or black, got to come together because all lives do matter, and we’re showing that today,” V.J. Smith, the leader of Minneapolis Mad Dads, said."

 

[ninij9]

Where are all the people who talk about ALM? Why aren't they out there protesting?
What do you do when a police officer shoots an innocent, unarmed person?

You investigate. But this is not an innocent unarmed person
This is a career criminal who allegedly tried to disarm an officer.

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[Woodland]

You investigate. But this is not an innocent unarmed person
This is a career criminal who allegedly tried to disarm an officer.

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With all due respect - you don't know that.

 

[bluesneakers]

You investigate. But this is not an innocent unarmed person
This is a career criminal who allegedly tried to disarm an officer.

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I've heard a lot of rhetoric about "Where are the protests for them?" from that crowd. I guess they expect BLM to do it for them. Funny how that works.

 

[ninij9]

I've heard a lot of rhetoric about "Where are the protests for them?" from that crowd. I guess they expect BLM to do it for them. Funny how that works.

I personally don't agree with any if these protests.

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[Juan23]

Is Minneapolis police union President Bob Kroll giving everyone a heads up on what the investigation will conclude?"… The shooting wasn't a misfire," he says. "It wasn't an accident. The officer intended to shoot this guy and the handcuffs were not on him at all."Clark was shot in the melee, according to Kroll, who adds, "I am very confident that it's going to be [determined] to be a justifiable shooting." http://www.citypages.com/news/minne...amar-clark-was-a-justifiable-shooting-7841420Wish Kroll would clarify why a bullet over stun gun, mace ect.

It is very easy to stand on the sidelines and ask why a cop possibly facing a life or death situation would choose a gun over mace. The only way for you to understand would be to choose to serve the public like the majority of the brave police officers.

 

[Woodland]

Unfortunately 'possibly' is still a key word. We don't know.

I choose to ask questions to serve what I think is the greater good.

 

[Woodland]

While everyone is waiting for an official version of events here thought I would post this - not sure if many remember this story. A 1971 movie where people did not understand the counterculture among them - the hatred leads to fighting, rape, murder - the more things change ....

[video=youtube;_oX2YpaJugQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oX2YpaJugQ[/video]

 

[Juan23]

Actually, that's half true. If 'paid city employees' cleaned up, then they're paid by the public -- and the protesters are part of the public. Some of them may have been paid OT, to which I say, good for them. And as for the volunteer (though I'd guess there was more than one) -- I salute him/her/them, for exercising his/her/their right(s) do do what they choose for the public good.Thank you for bring this to us -- it's good to see 'the system' working as it should. People use their rights to free speech, public servants get paid. That's why so many people fought for a democratically elected government with rights and freedoms.

Graffiti is not free speech. It is vandalism. The public servants are NOT paid by the public. They are paid by the tax paying citizens.... Big difference.

 

[bluesneakers]

I personally don't agree with any if these protests.

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JMO but then I don't understand your point. You're bothered you don't see protests for other victims, but you don't agree with any of the protests. I'm sorry you feel that way because I think it's important citizens voice their concerns for victims of violence no matter who the perpetrator is. IMO we're within our rights and it's our responsibility to stand up for those who can't.

In this particular case I have real problems with the victim and his history and actions, but IMO it doesn't matter what kind of person he was - as far as I know he didn't deserve to die.

JMO

 

[magnolia]

It is very easy to stand on the sidelines and ask why a cop possibly facing a life or death situation would choose a gun over mace. The only way for you to understand would be to choose to serve the public like the majority of the brave police officers.

Not to mention, in certain situations, mace and tasers are not always effective. Tasers can fail if both probes don't come into direct contact with the person's skin. Further escalation is always possible with mace.IMO

 

[bwt42]

Just catching up. I see nothing has changed.

 

[ninij9]

With all due respect - you don't know that.

Which is why I said allegedly. I don't wish to argue with anyone. People feel strongly one way or the other. I will support Law Enforcement.

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[Woodland]

So will I - when they do the right thing.

 

[K_Z]

Fourth Precinct protests could end this week

That protest may come to end the day before Jamar Clark is buried.

Clark's family has requested there be no protests on Wednesday, because they don't want his funeral to be politicized.

And after a lengthy meeting with north side community members on Sunday, Black Lives Matter Minneapolis members say they can only promise the protests will continue through Sunday and Monday nights.

Tuesday morning, they are planning a march in Minneapolis.

Kenya McKnight, a cousin of Clark, says Clark's funeral will be Wednesday at Shiloh Temple International Ministries in north Minneapolis.

McKnight says the service will start at noon and last an hour. A visitation will be held at the church before the funeral, from 10 a.m. to noon. McKnight says both will be open to the public and media.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2015/11/22/4th-precinct-protests-could-end-this-week/76245044/

Good--it's high time those people squatting on the sidewalks pick up their trash, and their tents, put out their illegal fires, and go inside. They've cost the city far, far too much as it is. It's not a protest-- it's an occupation. Frankly, I'm surprised BLM agitators don't demand adverse possession of the 4th Precinct grounds and buildings.

I suppose the hated Minneapolis Police Department will have to provide security during the funeral, too.

Still no arrests in the shooting of the 5 year old, and still no one cares enough to protest for him. Not even the mothers of the community. Certainly not the Mayor or Governor.

And two more shot and killed overnight. Violent crime is at an all time high in north Minneapolis, with murders in all of Minneapolis up more than 50% from last year. I think they're at around 45 murders so far this year-- many unsolved. 2 shootings in mid October in Minneapolis occurred at a bus stop, and as a man was getting off a bus.

2 killed, 1 injured in Mpls. shooting Sunday

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/23/2-killed-1-injured-in-mpls-shooting/76239264/

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Minneapolis-Minnesota.html

http://www.fox9.com/news/36242391-story

“Addressing gun violence is a priority for Mayor Hodges and me," Harteau said. "We are looking at all of our resources right now. Many of our suspects in the shootings this year have lengthy criminal histories. They’re not first time offenders in the criminal justice system and we need to find ways to connect those dots, and try to predict and prevent shootings before the next one occurs."

Ooo! I have a suggestion for that. Let's catch the criminals, and actually sentence them to prison for their offenses, and then actually KEEP them in prison. As we saw with Jamar Clark, a criminal with a lengthy history, dousing his ex-GF's apartment with lighterfluid, threatening to burn the building down, and throwing a brick through her window earned him PROBATION. This, after a 41 month prison sentence for a violent assault. If he had been in prison, where he BELONGED, IMO, he wouldn't have been able to assault the GF last week, and start the entire current situation in motion.

This from Oct 15, 2015. I guess the community improvement groups are struggling to make improvements in this kind of dangerous and violent environment:

http://www.startribune.com/violent-crime-edges-up-in-minneapolis/332981961/#

Robberies are down 2 percent across the city, but aggravated assaults, which some experts say is the best indicator of how safe a city is, rose to 1,657 from 1,461 at this time last year.

At the same time, police are solving fewer homicides this year, where the number of cases solved dipped nearly 13 percent from last year.

Gun violence, Harteau said, is the “common denominator” in crimes against women, who are 11 times more likely than men to be killed by guns.

“Let’s face it, women aren’t out in the streets resolving conflicts with guns; men are the ones resolving conflicts with guns,” said Harteau.

The two shootings brought the number of gunshot victims in the city this year to 208, outpacing year-to-date totals in 2014 (192) and 2013 (174). More than half were shot in north Minneapolis.

And as of November 22, I think that number of shootings is closer to 215, maybe higher.

 

[K_Z]

Another reason I'm feeling more sure the DANCO restraining order was on behalf of the assaulted GF, is because the attorney for Dustin Schwarze and the police union president Kroll emphasized that the apprehension of Clark was LAWFUL. They actually emphasized that.

It's my opinion that they were sending a message connecting the DANCO and the GF assault. I think they did this to show that the officers were acting not only correctly by their training, but also acting under the law when they were arresting Clark.

Under MN law, the convicted felon to whom is applied the DANCO, can be arrested WITHOUT a warrant for 36 hours, even if the violation did not take place in the presence of the officers.

So even if Clark fled the scene of the assault and returned (which has been reported), all it takes is someone identifying him as being under a DANCO. That probably was done with the original 911 call for help, and possibly repeated to paramedics when they arrived. So, IMO, it's definitely likely the responding officers KNEW that Clark was identified as the one who assaulted the GF, AND had the DANCO, and now was interfering with paramedics and trying to pull the victim out of the ambulance to have another go at her.

That definitely would change the level of assertiveness with which officers approached Clark. I think we are poised to hear a lot more about this very soon, in relation to the actions of the responding officers at the scene.

If I'm right, they had many objective and factual pieces of information available on which to make determinations about how to handle Jamar Clark and his actions at the scene, other than his "looks".

We know they were actively trying to arrest him, and we know he was very uncooperative and actively resisting arrest. (And IMO, may have been on drugs, since he has past convictions for drugs.)

It's all making a lot of sense when you really stop to think about the events leading up to this, IMO. It was more than just the aggravated assault of the GF and the interference with paramedics, IMO.

subd. 3.Warrantless custodial arrest. A peace officer shall arrest without a warrant and take into custody a person whom the peace officer has probable cause to believe has violated a domestic abuse no contact order, even if the violation of the order did not take place in the presence of the peace officer, if the existence of the order can be verified by the officer. The person shall be held in custody for at least 36 hours, excluding the day of arrest, Sundays, and holidays, unless the person is released earlier by a judge or judicial officer. A peace officer acting in good faith and exercising due care in making an arrest pursuant to this subdivision is immune from civil liability that might result from the officer's actions.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=629.75