MN - Journalist Don Lemon arrested for church protest, Minneapolis, 18 Jan 2026

  • #941
I’m shocked that the church isn’t considered a victim in this. I don’t know what to think about that. imo
I think it depends whether the church knew Easterwood had a side hustle as an ICE agent. Not as an employee who is visible as an ICE agent on the street gassing his congregants or pushing them down but as a white shirt administrator who organizes the terror.

A church is no longer a victim if they know what their pastors engage in, when they aren't in the pulpit. Especially if it doesn't align with their teachings. Sort of like the catholic church wasn't a victim when they'd re-home a sexual deviant to another parish to appease those who had been hurt. Then they could assault more children in a different parish.

Here's some further clarification for you. Yes, it's AI but I presume it's taken from numerous sources. I think this particular section is very timely and apropos to the subject:

  • Jobs that Create Conflicts of Interest
    Roles that place a pastor in a position of split loyalty, where they might have to choose between their employer's gain and the well-being of their congregation, are considered unsuitable.
    • Political positions with high controversy: Taking sides in polarizing political issues can damage the unifying role of a pastor.
 
  • #942
So because he is an ICE agent (federal agent) he is a white nationalist, and his church is as well? That is what you are advocating. And supporting the attack on his church and its members.
Words I did not use, supporting or attack

I didn’t see any attacking
Yes I agree white nationalists and ICE should be outed and shamed
 
  • #943
  • #944
There was no defense argument in the grand jury.

That's not how grand juries work.

MOO
Was Don Lemon entitled to some other special grand jury process for celebrities? or journalists?
 
  • #945
  • #946
Would it be ok for a white male or group thereof, to walk into a mosque at the beginning of prayers, begin yelling and prevent the prayers, for the purpose of telling those in attendance that a member of their mosque was an employee of a government agency? And then refuse to leave until the prayer service was abandoned?
Apples and oranges and what is the date of the previous FACE Act case law?
 
  • #947
Did he leave when asked to leave?

No.

Not leaving after you've been asked to leave the premises is in fact refusing to leave.

If someone asks me to take a bite of spinach and I won't open my mouth, I am in fact refusing to eat the spinach.

I don't have to say, "No, I'm not going to eat this spinach."

When LE orders an armed criminal to drop their weapon, and the criminal continues to hang onto the gun, they are in fact refusing to drop their weapon. They don't have to say, "No, I will not drop my weapon" for LE to conclude they're not following lawful orders.

Non-compliance with a request is in fact refusing to follow it.

DL was asked to leave. He did not do so when asked.

Impeding. Interfering. Obstructing.

That's not journalism.

JMO.
 
  • #948
Twisting facts, it simple English language
Which you don't seem to be able to explain. He is an employee of ICE, to the best of my knowledge there are no allegations that he himself has done anything wrong, let alone illegal (unlike those that invaded the church). But regardless, there is nothing connecting his employment to his church. But that is where the assault happened. And according to you, the congregation needs to be "told." Couldn't they have been told by standing outside and holding signs? Do you agree with their decision to actually invade the church to carry out their "protest?"
 
  • #949
Then I guess the DOJ has a slam dunk case in your opinion. I don’t share that opinion. We can wait and see how the case plays out.
I didn't say that. I said the elements of the crime are met, the indictment will stand. Lets let a jury decide.
 
  • #950
  • #951
Words I did not use, supporting or attack

I didn’t see any attacking
Yes I agree white nationalists and ICE should be outed and shamed
So an agent that works for ICE, who goes to work, does his/her job, should be outed and shamed? And you know that that means they will be attacked in public. That is ok with you? Or did you mean, those ICE agents that you think break the law should be outed and shamed? Because that isn't what you said.
 
  • #952
Did he leave when asked to leave?

No.

Not leaving after you've been asked to leave the premises is in fact refusing to leave.

If someone asks me to take a bite of spinach and I won't open my mouth, I am in fact refusing to eat the spinach.

I don't have to say, "No, I'm not going to eat this spinach."

When LE orders an armed criminal to drop their weapon, and the criminal continues to hang onto the gun, they are in fact refusing to drop their weapon. They don't have to say, "No, I will not drop my weapon" for LE to conclude they're not following lawful orders.

Non-compliance with a request is in fact refusing to follow it.

DL was asked to leave. He did not do so when asked.

Impeding. Interfering. Obstructing.

That's not journalism.

JMO.

As sillybilly said in an earlier post, someone (presumably a judge, and not us) is going to need to decide how long after being asked to leave you must leave. Reportedly, Don left the building within 7 minutes, and left the church property within 13 minutes.

He did leave. He did not stage a sit-in. He did not refuse to leave.

imo
 
  • #953
  • #954
As sillybilly said in an earlier post, someone (presumably a judge, and not us) is going to need to decide how long after being asked to leave you must leave. Reportedly, Don left the building within 7 minutes, and left the church property within 13 minutes.

He did leave. He did not stage a sit-in. He did not refuse to leave.

imo
the correct answer is "immediately." The fact that DL stayed 2 minutes or 7 or 13 is evidence that he was part of the demonstration.
It doesn't matter if you are a journalist, if you are asked to leave private property, you leave. You have no right to remain after that moment.
 
  • #955
I'd like to give a shout out to our moderators and WS members who seem to have endless patience. Thank you, you're all better people than I!
 
  • #956
the correct answer is "immediately." The fact that DL stayed 2 minutes or 7 or 13 is evidence that he was part of the demonstration.
It doesn't matter if you are a journalist, if you are asked to leave private property, you leave. You have no right to remain after that moment.

Are you quoting a law, or is that your opinion? If it is MN law, could you please quote the exact description and link it here?

It might go towards any legal claim of trespass that might be made, but not towards the federal charges in the indictment.

imo
 
  • #957
Credible journalists don’t go on recon missions with the group that is preparing to break the law by entering a Church to harass and intimidate the congregation. imo

Speaking on camera from a snowy parking lot in the Twin Cities, Lemon said he had done some “reconnaissance” with activist groups ahead of the storming of Cities Church.


I think Carl Bernstein, Bob Woodward, and Daniel Ellsberg would all disagree. I think it's up to each of us to determine what makes a credible journalist. There's a reason the press has more freedoms than the rest of us. MOO.
 
  • #958
As sillybilly said in an earlier post, someone (presumably a judge, and not us) is going to need to decide how long after being asked to leave you must leave. Reportedly, Don left the building within 7 minutes, and left the church property within 13 minutes.

He did leave. He did not stage a sit-in. He did not refuse to leave.

imo
It seems to me you are trespassing when you are asked to leave. He actively, and knowingly (that's intent), trespassed for at least 13 minutes. JMO
 
  • #959
Lemon was a professional journalist until 2023. Since then, he created a youtube channel where he publishes independent journalism.

In my opinion, the difference between a professional journalist and independent journalist is similar to other professions. When no longer employed in the profession, then professional ethics and standards are voluntary.

I completely disagree. Independent journalists can also be professional journalists. The word "professional" only describes whether or not they make a living at what they do. There have also been many "professional journalists" working for legitimate media outlets who have not adhered to professional ethics and standards.

That is not to suggest that Mr Lemon did not continue to adhere to professional journalism ethics and standards, only that he could no longer be held accountable to a governing body for violating those ethics and standards.

Of course he could. The courts and the public would hold him accountable. Defamation suits are born out of irresponsible journalism.

Would a professional journalist know that entering a church with a camera/ microphone (and a group of loud disruptive people) during a religious meeting could be interpreted as violating the FACT Act? Would a professional journalist take a chance and do it anyway?

Actually, yes. This isn't the first time a journalist has covered a crime and I have yet to see evidence that the act of covering the crime is breaking the law itself. I see what the government claims, but their supposition is based on the belief that he actually participated. From what's been linked in this thread (including a link I provided), professional journalism organizations, including the Society for Professional Journalists, have all backed him. I don't think they would have done that if what he did went against journalistic ethics and standards.

MOO.

 
  • #960
It seems to me you are trespassing when you are asked to leave. He actively, and knowingly (that's intent), trespassed for at least 13 minutes. JMO

I have asked OP for a quoted link. So they can show what MN law says. I don't think the time frame has been determined yet. Just speculated upon.

imo
 

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