• #2,561
This investigation has NOT been conducted with integrity.

It was a sloppy hit job by the few people left in the federal offices willing to abuse the criminal justice system.

I get it, the executive branch did not like press coverage about ICE or protests against ICE.

We are not supposed to pick an enemy and then invent crimes around him. And after people with integrity left in droves, the prosecutors that were left cobbled together this embarrassing symptom of looming facsism.

MOO
Again, all of the above about the way this investigation has been handled, lack of integrity, looming fascism, abusing the system, etc. is merely your opinion, as you've stated. Repeatedly.

I'm more interested in the evidence that allegedly supports the charges. If the evidence is there and does in fact support the charges, everyone arrested should be held accountable according to the law.

jmo
 
  • #2,562
This investigation has NOT been conducted with integrity.

It was a sloppy hit job by the few people left in the federal offices willing to abuse the criminal justice system.

I get it, the executive branch did not like press coverage about ICE or protests against ICE.

We are not supposed to pick an enemy and then invent crimes around him. And after people with integrity left in droves, the prosecutors that were left cobbled together this embarrassing symptom of looming facsism.

MOO

And I think that Don's actual arrest was intended to be splashy. His lawyer had offered (as is often typical and allowed) for Don to turn himself in, if he was going to be arrested.

Then Don was physically arrested by multiple officers as he waited for an elevator at his hotel, far away from MN.
That led to people questioning the intent of the arrest.

Why arrest Don at midnight?
Why send a dozen officers to arrest Don?
Why detain him at a federal courthouse for 12 hours, before releasing him?
Why not grant him permission for a phone call until the next day?
Why arrest him without the arresting officers carrying the warrant? They had to go outside and get an FBI agent to show Don the warrant on a phone.

These were not charges for committing a murder. Don had offered to turn himself in.

Link & Link & Link
 
  • #2,563
And I think that Don's actual arrest was intended to be splashy. His lawyer had offered (as is often typical and allowed) for Don to turn himself in, if he was going to be arrested.

Then Don was physically arrested by multiple officers as he waited for an elevator at his hotel, far away from MN.
That led to people questioning the intent of the arrest.

Why arrest Don at midnight?
Why send a dozen officers to arrest Don?
Why detain him at a federal courthouse for 12 hours, before releasing him?
Why not grant him permission for a phone call until the next day?
Why arrest him without the arresting officers carrying the warrant? They had to go outside and get an FBI agent to show Don the warrant on a phone.

These were not charges for committing a murder. Don had offered to turn himself in.

Link & Link & Link
Don Lemon had previously offered to turn himself in with no drama, no squad (Mod snip) on overtime. But the feds declined to have him turn himself in and, on my tax dollars, had a large group arrest him off hours.

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And the DA already dismissed the charges.

That’s good because, like in the Lemon case, the church interference charge doesn’t fit.

The state charge here was interference with religious observance.


§Subdivision 1.Interference. Whoever, by threats or violence, intentionally prevents another person from performing any lawful act enjoined upon or recommended to the person by the religion which the person professes is guilty of a misdemeanor.

Subd. 2.Physical interference prohibited. A person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor who intentionally and physically obstructs any individual's access to or egress from a religious establishment.

Very similar to the Face Act, the violation requires threats or use of force or violence, or physical obstruction of ingress or egress. None of the reports said anything like that happened.

WE can all go round and round about this. The allegation is that the protesters did illegally interfere with the church service. As far as I know, this is not reasonably disputed. What is disputed is whether DL and his associate did as well. The arguments are all well set out. Lets just wait and see what happens.

It certainly has been disputed by me at least. For the same reason as in the above charge, that the law requires specific actions for a violation that don't appear to be present here.

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  • #2,565
IMO that is splitting hairs. The sermon/worship ended prematurely because the protesters interrupted it. So yeah, it was over, but it wasn't meant to be. That doesn't mean Mr. Lemon sat idly by respectfully waiting for service to end. It means he waited for the protesters to interrupt the service and then pounced with his microphone and questions.

Simply interrupting a service is not a federal violation.

This thread is pages and pages long with many explaining what they believe and apparently the DOJ believe was illegal about that. You choose to interpret his actions and the law differently.

Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances & Places of Religious Worship

the same act that prevents right to life protesters from storming clinics that offer abortions and/or reproductive health to women, from disrupting, intimidating clientele or otherwise interfering with the clinic's ability to serve their function.

The act has been identified many times. Just because you disagree with the answer you've been given does not mean you weren't provided one.

Yes, that law has been cited many times. I will quote it once again here.


The law prohibits anyone who:

“by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship.”

And it defines the terms above as:

(2) Interfere with.—The term "interfere with" means to restrict a person's freedom of movement.
(3) Intimidate.—The term "intimidate" means to place a person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm to him- or herself or to another.
(4) Physical obstruction.— The term “physical obstruction” means rendering impassable ingress to or egress from a facility that provides reproductive health services or to or from a place of religious worship, or rendering passage to or from such a facility or place of religious worship unreasonably difficult or hazardous.


Nobody here has yet been able to show where Don Lemon commits any act that would qualify as a violation of the above.

The Indictment does try to claim Lemon does do so but his video clearly refutes those allegations.

Why would they need to lie in their indictment if they have a good case?

He cautioned people/protesters in the car he was riding to the protest in several times not to reveal where they were headed because he was livestreaming. That IMO took him out of the role of observer and into the role of active participant.

I appreciate that we can differ in our views and have a civil discourse. Thank you for that.

As has also been mentioned here, embargoes are a standard part of journalism. It was also mentioned in this posted story, with agreement from Todd Blanche.


Blanche also appeared to take issue with Lemon “surreptitiously” avoiding saying where the demonstrators were going during the livestream. But host Dana Bash pushed back, pointing out that there are “countless” examples of reporters in the middle of a story being instructed not to tell anybody where we’re going.

“There are numerous examples of when we get embargoed information that we can’t report from your agency, for example, and that has happened with presidents in both parties, and we withhold reporting it until you say it’s time to report it,” Bash said. “That’s not unusual. And it’s not unlike what happened with Don Lemon and Georgia Fort.”

Blanche replied, “Well, listen, you are totally correct that that happens every day and it’s happened for decades.”

moo
 
  • #2,566
Simply interrupting a service is not a federal violation.



Yes, that law has been cited many times. I will quote it once again here.


The law prohibits anyone who:

“by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship.”

And it defines the terms above as:

(2) Interfere with.—The term "interfere with" means to restrict a person's freedom of movement.
(3) Intimidate.—The term "intimidate" means to place a person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm to him- or herself or to another.
(4) Physical obstruction.— The term “physical obstruction” means rendering impassable ingress to or egress from a facility that provides reproductive health services or to or from a place of religious worship, or rendering passage to or from such a facility or place of religious worship unreasonably difficult or hazardous.


Nobody here has yet been able to show where Don Lemon commits any act that would qualify as a violation of the above.

The Indictment does try to claim Lemon does do so but his video clearly refutes those allegations.

Why would they need to lie in their indictment if they have a good case?



As has also been mentioned here, embargoes are a standard part of journalism. It was also mentioned in this posted story, with agreement from Todd Blanche.




moo
we will continue to disagree on this case. and that is fine. Your opinion is yours. mine is mine. 🤷‍♀️
 
  • #2,567
Apologies if this has been discussed already, but since Pam Bondi has been fired by Trump, is it likely some of these cases will be dropped? An acquittal of Lemon will only result in more bad publicity for Trump.

I doubt the case was brought only because of Bondi. The whole DOJ leadership seems to be supportive. All the politically appointed leaders are for it, but the rank and file not so much. None of the career prosecutors from the charging division are involved in this case.

The entire civil rights division has lost lots of their prosecutors.


And that has been the story for the entire DOJ for this administration. There has been a huge atypical exodus of attorneys.


They have also been dropping lots more cases than usual.


But I doubt they will drop this case until forced to by the court.

moo
 
  • #2,568
As far as I'm aware, the general public has not seen all the evidence mentioned in the charging docs.
I look forward to that evidence being made available.

No one here can answer that because we haven't seen the same evidence mentioned in the charging docs.

We have enough evidence to know that there are allegations in the indictment that are flat out false. Examples have been cited several times. For example, once AGAIN, from the indictment,

Overt Act # 40: At one point, defendant LEMON posted himself at the main door of the Church, where he confronted some congregants and physically obstructed them as they tried to exit the Church building to challenge them with “facts” about U.S. immigration policy.

bbm

There is no super secret evidence or camera angle that is going to show that allegation is true. See for yourself if you haven’t, this link is cued to when that is supposed to happen

Don Lemon's video

Why are they telling lies in the indictment if they have a good case? Mind you, they have even amended the indictment and could have corrected it but they just repeated the same lies.

Anyone who claims to know he's guilty can't really say so if they are only relying on evidence they have not seen.

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That’s good because, like in the Lemon case, the church interference charge doesn’t fit.

The state charge here was interference with religious observance.




Very similar to the Face Act, the violation requires threats or use of force or violence, or physical obstruction of ingress or egress. None of the reports said anything like that happened.



It certainly has been disputed by me at least. For the same reason as in the above charge, that the law require specific actions to be a violation that don't appear to be present here.

moo
Did the protesters cause passage to or from such the church unreasonably difficult or hazardous? Yes. the Aisles were blocked to the main entrance. Some church goers either felt unable to leave or used the other exits, one of which was injured in doing so. So that element is clearly and factually met. The Federal charges will stand. Even if the US Dist Ct dismisses, I have no doubt the Circuit Court (and certainly the SCOTUS) will overturn that.
 
  • #2,570
Did the protesters cause passage to or from such the church unreasonably difficult or hazardous? Yes. the Aisles were blocked to the main entrance.

Please cite any evidence that proves any of this.

Some church goers either felt unable to leave or used the other exits, one of which was injured in doing so. So that element is clearly and factually met.

A "feeling" does not make a "clearly" met element.

The Federal charges will stand. Even if the US Dist Ct dismisses, I have no doubt the Circuit Court (and certainly the SCOTUS) will overturn that.

This is based on what exactly? You can't cite prior cases because this is the first prosecution of its kind. In fact, prior prosecutions of the Face Act for the abortion clinic clause show how weak this case is in comparison. The violations in those are much more obvious. For example:

US vs Handy et al

Defendants in that case used chairs and chains to block doors.

US v. Citizens for a Pro-Life Society, et al.

Defendants lied on the floor in front of doors to block them. They were told to leave and never did even when police showed up and told them to.

US vs Thomas

Defendants sat in front of doors and refused to leave even when police showed up.

Defendants in those cases were also repeat offenders for the same thing showing clear willful intent.

Nothing like the above is present in this case. You can even tell by looking at this indictment that the hacks who wrote it likely just copied and pasted some language from the prior Face Act complaints and then tried to force fit the actions here into it much like this,

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moo
 
  • #2,571
Did the protesters cause passage to or from such the church unreasonably difficult or hazardous? Yes. the Aisles were blocked to the main entrance. Some church goers either felt unable to leave or used the other exits, one of which was injured in doing so. So that element is clearly and factually met. The Federal charges will stand. Even if the US Dist Ct dismisses, I have no doubt the Circuit Court (and certainly the SCOTUS) will overturn that.

The protesters did different things than the things Don did.
Don is always seen standing off to the side - not blocking anyone.

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  • #2,572
No one here can answer that because we haven't seen the same evidence mentioned in the charging docs.

But the poster was responding directly to a post that said "The evidence is clear, it is in DL videos, the statements of the church members." If the evidence is clear, and it's in the videos, then a timestamp can be provided.

MOO.
 
  • #2,573
We have enough evidence to know that there are allegations in the indictment that are flat out false. Examples have been cited several times. For example, once AGAIN, from the indictment,



bbm

There is no super secret evidence or camera angle that is going to show that allegation is true. See for yourself if you haven’t, this link is cued to when that is supposed to happen

Don Lemon's video

Why are they telling lies in the indictment if they have a good case? Mind you, they have even amended the indictment and could have corrected it but they just repeated the same lies.

Anyone who claims to know he's guilty can't really say so if they are only relying on evidence they have not seen.

moo
Okay. 🤔 Clearly, we disagree on this case. That's okay.

jmo
 
  • #2,574
Today another motion for disclosure of grand jury proceedings was filed.


That's a joint pleading by 33 of the defendants. Fort and Lemon previously filed their joint motion and Shane Bollman filed his own motion as well.

Bollman is another journalist defendant, he's a photojournalist who was there just taking pictures. This is his motion which was filed in March.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72212459/441/united-states-v-levy-armstrong/

Quoting a few sections from the latest motion.

On irregularities by DOJ.

III. LAW AND ARGUMENT
As demonstrated below, there are numerous concrete, non-speculative reasons to believe that the government provided the grand jury with profoundly misleading legal instruction; failed to ensure that the grand jury engaged in an individualized, defendant-by-defendant assessment of probable cause; engaged in improper, inflammatory commentary; and improperly rushed the grand jury’s deliberation due to the government’s hyperbolic claim of national emergency. Any of these grand jury abuses, separately or combined, risks an indictment so obviously obtained through infringement on the grand jury’s independence that it violates the Fifth Amendment and can provide grounds for dismissal.


On flawed instructions of the law.

A. There Is Reason to Believe the Government Provided the Grand Jury with Fundamentally Flawed Legal Instruction
The government has charged two narrow, complex statutes. However, the language in the superseding indictment itself (underscored by public comments made by DOJ officials) reveals that the government did not understand (or did not respect) the limited legal reach of these statutes. The government’s ignorance of (or disregard for) the elements of the offenses it charged makes it extremely likely that prosecutors, relying on their incorrect view of the law, provided fundamentally inaccurate legal instruction to the grand jury. Although courts rarely concern themselves with minor instructional errors in the grand jury—because it is rare for such errors to affect probable cause, much less fundamental fairness—significant, improper instruction, such as appears to have been given here, infringes on the grand jury’s independence and provides grounds for dismissal.


On how idiotic the indictment is. moo

3. The Superseding Indictment Language Reflecting the Government’s Legal Misconceptions
The government here chose to use a speaking indictment, setting forth detailed factual averments about the alleged crime. Thus, the superseding indictment reveals the specific conduct that the government claims violates the statutes. However, despite the detail, these allegations fail to establish many of the statutory elements of the offenses and appear to controvert many of the basic legal principles outlined above.8 The superseding indictment details 41 “overt acts,” which generally describe protestors organizing and promoting a demonstration to air grievances against the federal government. The allegations do not describe anyone discussing (let alone agreeing to) acts of violence or an intent to threaten anyone. They also do not describe any act of violence or any act intended to put another in fear of bodily harm. Nor do they include any act of rendering impassable ingress to or egress from the church. When those detailed factual allegations are compared to the statutory elements discussed above, it becomes manifest that the government has profoundly misunderstood (or intentionally misrepresented) the law in numerous critical ways and therefore is likely to have significantly misguided the grand jury. The error would have substantially influenced the decision to indict and would raise grave doubt that the grand jury’s decision was free from improper influence. See Bank of Nova Scotia, 487 U.S. at 256.


Just quoting the following subparagraph headings under the above paragraph.

a. The government incorrectly interprets § 241 to outlaw, without more, an agreement to disrupt a service at a church.

b. The government incorrectly interprets § 248(a)(2) to outlaw the disruption of a prayer service at a church (at least if the disruption is upsetting to others and/or involves even minor hindrance of another person’s movement).

c. The government incorrectly interprets “injure, oppress, threaten and intimidate” to encompass conduct that is disruptive and offensive, even absent an intent to advocate for force or violence, as required by Eighth Circuit law.

d. The government incorrectly interprets “physical obstruction” to include crowding an aisle, standing close to another person, or engaging in other conduct that falls far short of the complete or near-complete obstruction required by the statute.

e. The government misunderstands (or ignores) its duty to conduct an individualized assessment of each defendant’s conduct with respect to each charge.

f. The legal misinterpretations in the superseding indictment are shared by the highest officials in the Department of Justice.
 
  • #2,575
I LOVE LOVE this motion because it gives great background on the laws charged. Below is the section on the Face Act. It says things that have been pointed out here already but in much better detail. The information about the term "threat" is very helpful. bbm


a. 18 U.S.C. § 248(a)(2), the FACE Act
The applicable section of § 248 makes it a crime to use force, threat of force, or physical obstruction to intentionally injure, intimidate, or interfere with “any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship.” See 18 U.S.C. § 248(a)(2). The elements of the charged violation of § 248(a)(2) are (1) that the defendant used force, the threat of force, or physical obstruction (as that term is narrowly defined in the statute), (2) that the defendant acted with intent to injure, intimidate, or interfere with another person; (3) that the other person was lawfully exercising religious freedom at a place of worship; and (4) that the offense resulted in bodily injury to another person.5 18 U.S.C. § 248(a)(2); see also United States v. Dinwiddie, 76 F.3d 913, 917 (8th Cir. 1996) (generally discussing statutory language of § 248(a)(1)); United States v. Harlow, No. CR 22- 096-4 (CKK), 2023 WL 7880183, at *5 (D.D.C. Nov. 16, 2023)(unpublished) (reciting elements of § 248(a)) and citing (Terry v. Reno, 101 F.3d 1412, 1414 (D.C. Cir. 1996)).

Subsection (e) of § 248 specifically defines “intimidate” (“to place a person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm to him”), “interfere with” (“to restrict a person’s freedom of movement”), and “physical obstruction” (“rendering impassable ingress to or egress from … a place of religious worship, or rendering passage to or from such … place of religious worship unreasonably difficult or hazardous”). Although the term “threat” is not defined in the statute, the Supreme Court has recognized that to form the basis of a criminal charge, a threat must be a “true threat,” that is, a statement “where the speaker means to communicate a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals.” Virginia v. Black, 538 U.S. 343, 359 (2003) (emphasis added). Moreover, the Eighth Circuit, upholding the constitutionality of a parallel provision of the FACE Act, held that the threats outlawed by the statute were those threats that met the statutory definition of “intimidation,” meaning that they must place a person “in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm.” Dinwiddie, 76 F.3d at 922.

Offensive statements are not threats, and the fact that a purported victim subjectively finds a statement threatening is not, by itself, enough to render it so, particularly in light of § 248’s requirement that the government prove that a defendant made the threat to “intentionally” intimidate a person engaging in free exercise of religion.

Thus, § 248 requires that a defendant both (1) engage in one of three prohibited actions (the use of physical force, issuance of a threat intended to put someone in fear of bodily harm, or physical obstruction that renders impassable ingress to or egress from a building), and (2) act with an intent to injure, or place in apprehension of bodily harm, a person who is lawfully exercising their religious freedom. Patently, § 248 does not outlaw mere interference with, or disruption of, a prayer service—even if the disruption is rude, unseemly, and offensive. The FACE Act does not prohibit conduct that interrupts, bothers, disrupts, offends, or even frightens, unless that conduct also involves force, threat, or (total or near-total) obstruction carried out with intent to injure, intimidate and interfere with another person.

Another basic legal principle that is important in evaluating whether the grand jury was properly instructed on this count: in any multi-defendant case, Due Process demands that culpability be determined on an individualized, defendant-by-defendant and charge-by-charge basis. See United States v. Whitfield, 140 F.4th 978, 986 (8th Cir. 2025) (citing with approval instruction to petit juror that each count must be considered separately); United States v. Benedict, 855 F.3d 880, 885 (8th Cir. 2017) (citing with approval limiting instructions given during trial that each defendant “is entitled to have his case decided solely on the evidence which applies to him”).

Accordingly, a properly instructed grand jury would need to be familiar with the elements and limitations of § 248, and particularly with the definitions of “intimidate,” “threat,” and “physical obstruction,” and also be aware of the principle of individualized determination. In the absence of accurate legal guidance, grand jurors would almost certainly interpret this legally complicated statute based on the common usage of terms that are defined far more narrowly in the statute. The risk of a grand jury applying incorrect standards—and therefore the need for accurate legal guidance—is particularly critical here, where the statute uses terms with special legal meaning; the conduct involves core First Amendment expression; the evidence is extraordinarily thin; and the subject matter (disruption of worship) is one about which passions run high.
 
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I will likely be quoting this motion liberally in the future. Below is the section on the KKK Act. bbm


b. 18 U.S.C. § 241 (The federal criminal civil rights conspiracy statute)
Section 241 prohibits conspiracies to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in the free exercise of a right secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States. 18 U.S.C. § 241. Section 241 does not expressly identify the federal rights encompassed by the statute, but rather incorporates rights defined elsewhere. United States v. Lanier, 520 U.S. 259, 265 (1997) (“in lieu of describing the specific conduct it forbids … [the] … statute's general terms incorporate constitutional law by reference.”). This unusual cross-reference to a vast body of law exponentially increases the need for correct legal instruction, since the grand jury cannot simply read the words of the statute and thereby understand the law sufficiently to determine probable cause (as it can do in evaluating certain other statutes in the federal code).

The elements of a § 241 offense are (1) that an agreement (a meeting of the minds) existed; (2) that the purpose of the agreement was to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate another person in the exercise of a federally protected right; and (3) that each defendant willingly joined the conspiracy, intending its purpose. 18 U.S.C. § 241. See also Eighth Circuit Pattern Criminal Jury Instruction, § 6.18.241 Conspiracy to Deprive a Person of Civil Rights (setting forth elements). The terms “injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate” require more than conduct that is interruptive or unpleasant. United States v. Magleby, 420 F.3d 1136, 1143 (10th Cir. 2005) (holding that § 241 instructions to petit jury were flawed because the jury was allowed to consider the ordinary meaning of “oppress, threaten, and intimidate” rather than using a definition focused on true threats, and noting that “[m]any acts short of unlawful violence may constitute oppression or intimidation in the everyday sense of these words” ) (relying on United States v. Lee, 935 F.2d 952, 960 (8th Cir. 1991) (R. Arnold, J., dissenting), rev'd en banc, 6 F.3d 1297 (8th Cir.1993)).

In this case, the superseding indictment describes the right at issue as “the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship, as secured by Title 18, United States Code, Section 248(c).” The First Amendment itself cannot serve as the source of the right in this civil rights conspiracy, as the defendants are not state actors; as Justice Scalia explained, for a right to serve as the basis for a civil rights conspiracy where the defendants are not government actors, that right must be one “guaranteed against private impairment.” Bray v. Alexandria Women's Health Clinic, 506 U.S. 263, 274 (1993) (evaluating civil analogue of criminal conspiracy statute). Because the First Amendment proscribes only governmental interference with the practice of religion, see U.S. Constitution, Amdt. 1 (“Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise” of religion), the “First Amendment right of religious freedom” cannot be violated by a private individual. United Bd. of Carpenters & Joiners of Am., Loc. 610, AFL-CIO v. Scott, 463 U.S. 825, 832 (1983).

Of course, under the plain language of § 241, a right may be conferred by federal statute as well as by the Constitution. 18 U.S.C. § 241. The superseding indictment cites to a federal statute, § 248(c), as the alleged source of the right; however, any right conferred by § 248(c) is far narrower than the broad right, asserted in the superseding indictment, to practice religion in a place of worship. If § 248(c) creates a right at all, it is by allowing a person aggrieved by the conduct prohibited in § 248(a) (the provision charged in Count Two) to pursue civil damages. See § 248(c)(1)(A) (“Any person aggrieved by reason of the conduct prohibited by subsection (a) may commence a civil action…”). See, generally, Health & Hosp. Corp. of Marion Cnty. v. Talevski, 599 U.S. 166 (2023) (explaining how to analyze whether civil laws create rights).

But the conduct prohibited by § 248(a)(2) is not mere interference with “the right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship,” but rather interference with the right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship through force, threat of force, or physical obstruction intended to injure, oppress or intimidate another person. Accordingly, if § 248(c) secures a right that can form the basis of a § 241 charge, it cannot be the right cited in this superseding indictment. A proper indictment on a § 241 charge based on a right “secured by § 248” would require a finding of probable cause to believe that each defendant entered an agreement to injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate another person in that person’s right to worship free of force, threats, or physical obstruction intended to injure, oppress, or intimidate them. Moreover, unless the grand jury were provided a definition of “injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate,” it would almost certainly apply common-usage definitions of these terms—which the Tenth Circuit has expressly warned is error. Magleby, 420 F.3d at 1143.

Other basic legal principles relating to conspiracy are also important in evaluating whether the grand jury was properly instructed on this count. As in any conspiracy, a § 241 agreement to violate civil rights requires proof of a meeting of the minds among all conspirators. United States v. Rolon-Ramos, 502 F.3d 750, 754 (8th Cir. 2007) (“For a conspiracy against rights, the Government must prove ‘an actual agreement between two or more persons to accomplish a prohibited object.’”); see also Tinsley v. United States, 43 F.2d 890, 892 (8th Cir. 1930) (“In a conspiracy there must be some unity of purpose, some common design and understanding, some meeting of the minds in an unlawful arrangement. . . A person does not become a part of a conspiracy by knowledge that another is about to commit a crime, or necessarily by an acquiescence in the crime.”). In the case of § 241, that meeting of the minds must specifically be to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate another person. United States v. Mackey, 143 F.4th 129, 140 (2d Cir. 2025) (Section 241 case holding that “the government must prove the defendant’s knowing agreement as to the conspiracy’s unlawful purpose. Here, that meant proving that [the defendant] knowingly agreed . . . to injure others in the free exercise or enjoyment of the right to vote.”) (internal quotation and citation omitted).

Therefore, people who agree to take an action together (such as to engage in a protest) but who do not share the prohibited intent (an intent to injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate another person in their exercise of a federally protected right) do not violate § 241. See Eighth Circuit Pattern Criminal Jury Instruction, 6.18.241 Conspiracy to Deprive a Person of Civil Rights (explaining the second element to be that “at the time the defendant joined in the agreement or understanding, [he][she] intended to [interfere with][hinder][prevent] (name of person)’s free exercise or enjoyment [of a right].) (emphasis added). Absent such agreement, there is no crime, even if a joint action has the effect of interfering with a federally protected right. And, of course, it is axiomatic in any conspiracy that mere presence at a scene, even with knowledge of a crime being committed there, does not establish membership in a conspiracy. See, e.g., United States v. Shavers, 955 F.3d 685, 691 (8th Cir. 2020).

Thus, it is clear, as a legal matter, that § 241 does not criminalize an agreement to gather together for a protest—even if those entering the agreement are aware that the protest may disrupt a prayer service in a church, and even if they know that congregants will find their actions deeply offensive. Rather, the statute outlaws only that subset of agreements that are specifically aimed at injuring, oppressing, threatening, or intimidating another person in the exercise of a federally protected right – in this case, the right to exercise religion in a place of worship free from force, threats, or obstruction intended to injure, intimidate, or interfere with the right. Any suggestion to the grand jury that a person violates § 241 simply by agreeing with others to engage in conduct that has the effect of disrupting a lawful prayer service would be so fundamentally inaccurate as to substantially affect the defendants’ rights.
 
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Another filing today which I mention just for bookkeeping. All defendants had signed onto motions to disclose grand jury proceedings, except for Amelia Hansa and Michael Beute. Hansa just joined that last motion filed by 33 defendants.

Docket entry: MOTION Join Petition of Codefendants to Disclose Grand Jury Materials (491) by Amelia Christin Hansa. (Plunkett, Thomas) (Entered: 04/10/2026)


Beute (Lemon's cameraman) has been joining Lemon and Fort's joint pleadings since he was charged, but he was charged after they filed their motion.
 

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