MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[MIKAYOYO]

BBM, If he's that scared and twitchy he needs to find a different career path IMO. He should never have been given a badge & gun.

I agree. We can try and go back intime and wonder why but the reality is he was a cop and he had a gun and was obviously twitchy and easily startled. Going back in why is important so that other cops maybe trained better but it doesn't change anything here.

 

[Jennifer17]

But no one was threatening him.

It seems that anyone approaching is threatening. Pure and simply, he was in the wrong job.

 

[Karinna]

I agree. We can try and go back intime and wonder why but the reality is he was a cop and he had a gun and was obviously twitchy and easily startled. Going back in why is important so that other cops maybe trained better but it doesn't change anything here.

I agree something sure does need to change because there are far too many of these types of incidents where innocent unarmed citizens are being killed by LE.

 

[shadetree44]

How many shots did Noor actually fire from his gun? Is that known. I have read more than one but don't know if that has been validated?

I asked this question earlier and no one could confirm either one or multiple shots. If only one round fired, possible accident due to nerves. If more then one shot fired, My opinion is he did that intentionally. Either way this person is NOT fitted for police work. Ex-military here - identify target before discharging a round. Sound shots are not advised unless cover fire. Multiple rounds usually indicate an intentional discharge. LE has very difficult job. In present day, almost every situation is potentially dangerous. They must be able to quickly identify the situation and react accordingly. Tuff job for anyone, but it comes with the territory.
All the above is MOO. Opinions vary.

 

[Rocco]

I know zero but maybe those who know more can explain. My hubby says it was probably an accidental shooting, He said police weapons have triggers that go off easily, He feels that Noor was too hyper and did not mean to shoot but he had no gun control.

Anyone know anything about police guns?

I doubt the MPD, or any PD, has guns with low trigger pull weights that go off easily or are 'hair triggers'. A normal trigger pull weight is 5.5 lbs and that's what most guns have. The higher ups at the NYPD decided that in order to avoid negligent discharges, they would have their guns with an 12 lb trigger pull weight. Accuracy went down and the cops hate them.

 

[turaj]

I don't think that he had any agenda. I do think that he had an attitude that police's main function is to protect themselves, not the people that they are supposed to protect.

I wonder if his partner knew that he had his gun in his lap? Wouldn't he have had to have to known that?

agree with Jennifer17...I think to say he had an agenda is getting into the racial/terrorism theories that are sure to be circulating. Attitude is more what I pick up here....and lots of it...

 

[turaj]

I asked this question earlier and no one could confirm either one or multiple shots. If only one round fired, possible accident due to nerves. If more then one shot fired, My opinion is he did that intentionally. Either way this person is NOT fitted for police work. Ex-military here - identify target before discharging a round. Sound shots are not advised unless cover fire. Multiple rounds usually indicate an intentional discharge. LE has very difficult job. In present day, almost every situation is potentially dangerous. They must be able to quickly identify the situation and react accordingly. Tuff job for anyone, but it comes with the territory.
All the above is MOO. Opinions vary.

I think the only confirmation of number of rounds fired will come with an official report; however all reports so far have indicated more than one shot fired. The biker who has been interviewed was close enough to know how many shots he heard and neighbors have reported more than one. But simply no concrete info right now.

 

[turaj]

Local media here at this point are reporting that Justine hit the squad car....for me this is so plausible....sit in your car and have someone bang on it....that sound is magnified and frankly I have been startled by just such a sound. She was "passionate" as her future step son said right away that next day...she was upset at the sounds she was hearing...enough to call her fiance and at his suggestion call 911 not once but twice...and then as they got to the end of the alley...by all accounts the officers had not made any contact with her and appeared to be leaving she approached the car from the back and banged it merely to get their attention. Most officers would just have stopped and spoke with her but for whatever reason I think at least one of these officers decided that shooting was the way to communicate. Not sure if she even got any words out to Harrity before killed.

This is an awful tale but a cautionary one for the public...simply don't go near officers. . I just read on a neighborhood forum that last night some heard 2 sounds which could be fireworks or gun shots. A few weeks ago these people may have called 911 to have it checked out but last night they did nothing...I wonder why??? I look for an uptick in crime given people are too scared to call 911.

 

[turaj]

I know zero about police guns but I tend to agree with your husband. It was accidental. I think he was hyper sensitive and/or too twitchy. I don't think he purposefully shot her. It sucks all away around and he should be held accountable. I just don't see this as nefarious other than a trigger happy scared cop. This is just my opinion and doesn't reflect on anything other than what we know.

Boy that is the most on purpose targeted "accidental" discharge of a firearm in history if you really believe it. I think the evidence is such and most talk of more than one shot that they are not even going to try to use that "theory"...they will go with self defense which can be used with the evidence that has probably been part of Harrity's interview.

 

[turaj]

"
A woman approached the back of a Minneapolis police car and "slapped" it shortly before an Australian woman was shot and killed by an officer, according to a search warrant filed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

The search warrant obtained by Minnesota Public Radio doesn't specifically say that the woman was Justine Damond, but: "Upon police arrival, a female 'slaps' the back of the patrol squad ... After that, it is unknown to BCA agents what exactly happened, but the female became deceased in the alley."

Per http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/personnel-records-minnesota-officer-shot-woman-48824605

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Yes. Very strange to shoot across your partner

Noor is lucky that Harrity didn't assume someone was shooting from outside the car on the passenger side and shoot back.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think there needs to be a policy requiring officers involved in a shooting to give a statement within 48 hours and If they fail to do so they are off the job without pay untiil the case is closed.

 

[RandomName479]

"
A woman approached the back of a Minneapolis police car and "slapped" it shortly before an Australian woman was shot and killed by an officer, according to a search warrant filed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

The search warrant obtained by Minnesota Public Radio doesn't specifically say that the woman was Justine Damond, but: "Upon police arrival, a female 'slaps' the back of the patrol squad ... After that, it is unknown to BCA agents what exactly happened, but the female became deceased in the alley."

Per http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/personnel-records-minnesota-officer-shot-woman-48824605

Just ugh......I think this may be enough for Noor to claim he was in fear for his life or whatever it is that he has to claim. I'm curious where this new info came from.....Harrity? bike man? video? Obviously not from Justine.....MOO

 

[turaj]

Just ugh......I think this may be enough for Noor to claim he was in fear for his life or whatever it is that he has to claim. I'm curious where this new info came from.....Harrity? bike man? video? Obviously not from Justine.....MOO

just a guess but my guess is Harrity...and he certainly could tell a hitting of the car from fireworks or other sounds...I hear a number of stories about "bike man" but most seem to indicate he was on the scene more after the shots and did video the attempted cpr..in fact he was so close they asked him to move back...could he have heard comments between Harrity and Noor...I assume so. I bet anything Noor will say he thought her phone was a gun...what ever happened to put your hands up etc.? if in doubt.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Just ugh......I think this may be enough for Noor to claim he was in fear for his life or whatever it is that he has to claim. I'm curious where this new info came from.....Harrity? bike man? video? Obviously not from Justine.....MOO

I agree. A person suddenly appeared after a loud noise and the person had a shiny object (cell phone). This is going to be Noor's defense. I don't know if that's how it played out for Noor, but by waiting to give a statement he is now able to come up with a defense.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes, this. First it was gunshots, then fireworks, then she was running up to the car and now she slapped the car.

Spaghetti thrown against the wall to gauge what the public will consider. IMO.

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[grammieto5]

I wonder, if someone were approaching a police car from behind with the purpose to do harm to the ones inside would they really give a warning by "slapping" the police car?

 

[lonetraveler]

"
A woman approached the back of a Minneapolis police car and "slapped" it shortly before an Australian woman was shot and killed by an officer, according to a search warrant filed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

The search warrant obtained by Minnesota Public Radio doesn't specifically say that the woman was Justine Damond, but: "Upon police arrival, a female 'slaps' the back of the patrol squad ... After that, it is unknown to BCA agents what exactly happened, but the female became deceased in the alley."

Per http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/personnel-records-minnesota-officer-shot-woman-48824605

My immediate reaction to the "story" now being put out is "WHAT A "CROCK OF BULL MANURE"!!!. I truly hope that the officer who was nearly killed by Noor has a conscience and strong, moral ethics and does the right thing.

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[katydid23]

I know everyone thinks cops are crying wolf when they say they fear ambushes. But they do have reasons to worry:


Ambush-style attacks on U.S. police officers soared 167 percent in 2016, hitting a 10-year high. So far this year, the disturbing cycle of attacks has not relented.

Police were ambushed Tuesday night in Chicago and Sunday night in Detroit, following an ambush on Miami cops just a few weeks ago.

According to the National Law Enforcement Officers’ Memorial Fund, which tracks officer shootings, the number of cops shot in the line of duty spiked 56 percent in 2016, but the number of ambush-style attacks was even more troubling, up 167 percent, soaring from six in 2015 to 21 in 2016.

And the trend has continued into 2017.


On Wednesday, Chicago police were searching for suspects who sneaked up on two officers in a patrol car and opened fire. One was struck in the back, the other in the hip, and they were in serious but stable condition at a Chicago hospital.

On Sunday night in Detroit, two officers responded to a domestic call. When they arrived to knock on the door, 46-year-old James Edward Ray, who reportedly had no connection to the domestic call, opened fire on them, hitting one officer in the back of the head before Ray was shot dead by the fallen officer’s partner. That officer remains in a medically induced coma, fighting for his life. He was the eighth officer shot in Detroit since September of last year.

Just over a month ago, on March 28, two officers in Miami-Dade County were shot in an unprovoked ambush outside an apartment complex while they were on routine surveillance.


According to the International Association of Chiefs of Police, four factors define an ambush attack:

An element of surprise;
Assailants who conceal themselves, their weapons or their intents;
The suddenness of the attack;
A lack of provocation.

//www.wnd.com/2017/05/did-farrakhan-get-his-wish-cop-ambushes-soaring/#m5rPsz8hwVbuBofA.99

 

[turaj]

I know everyone thinks cops are crying wolf when they say they fear ambushes. But they do have reasons to worry:


Ambush-style attacks on U.S. police officers soared 167 percent in 2016, hitting a 10-year high. So far this year, the disturbing cycle of attacks has not relented.

Police were ambushed Tuesday night in Chicago and Sunday night in Detroit, following an ambush on Miami cops just a few weeks ago.

According to the National Law Enforcement Officers’ Memorial Fund, which tracks officer shootings, the number of cops shot in the line of duty spiked 56 percent in 2016, but the number of ambush-style attacks was even more troubling, up 167 percent, soaring from six in 2015 to 21 in 2016.

And the trend has continued into 2017.


On Wednesday, Chicago police were searching for suspects who sneaked up on two officers in a patrol car and opened fire. One was struck in the back, the other in the hip, and they were in serious but stable condition at a Chicago hospital.

On Sunday night in Detroit, two officers responded to a domestic call. When they arrived to knock on the door, 46-year-old James Edward Ray, who reportedly had no connection to the domestic call, opened fire on them, hitting one officer in the back of the head before Ray was shot dead by the fallen officer’s partner. That officer remains in a medically induced coma, fighting for his life. He was the eighth officer shot in Detroit since September of last year.

Just over a month ago, on March 28, two officers in Miami-Dade County were shot in an unprovoked ambush outside an apartment complex while they were on routine surveillance.


According to the International Association of Chiefs of Police, four factors define an ambush attack:

An element of surprise;
Assailants who conceal themselves, their weapons or their intents;
The suddenness of the attack;
A lack of provocation.

//www.wnd.com/2017/05/did-farrakhan-get-his-wish-cop-ambushes-soaring/#m5rPsz8hwVbuBofA.99

It seems like you have done the research for the defense team here....I get it for some areas but maintain this is a peaceful almost suburban neighborhood and most ambushers don't wear pjs