MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[turaj]

Sleep medicine. It might be called Zolpidem in Australia. Or maybe Stilnox.

i think they were going for the "ambien" as it has quite a reputation for having people who have taken it exhibit strange behavior including eating in the middle of the night..sexual activity...short term memory loss. It has been the proximate cause for some famous people in car accidents (a kennedy cousin...tiger woods etc) . I guess without knowing if any family member or friend mentioned it to police it seems like a big leap by a defense that is struggling...but if it were in her system they could maybe say she was acting very erratic .

 

[CoolJ]

I really hope that 911 operators do all possible to stress to the caller to stay INSIDE your home. Not at all blaming the victim here but had she remained inside she would be alive today. I also bet that Don Damond told her to stay put until the police came...for some reason when she saw the police she felt safe enough to run out ...she really wanted to know what they found. Were they going to circle around and go to her front door? I hope so as she deserved a report but sadly it never got that far. None of this should mean Noor is not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law...

BBM

I dont know that was her reason for being outside. She could have found out where the noises were coming from and wanted to relay that to them or she could have been trying to point them in the right direction. I will not fault her for trying to help. She was allowed to be out in that alley if she wanted to.

Not you turaj, but I am starting to see more and more veiled attempts at victim blaming as we go along here.

 

[turaj]

Well that's all fine and good except that IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE WAS ON MEDICATION.

But it DOES MATTER to a defense attorney charged with defending his client. You have to be realistic......it is not an uncommon request and I think defense was just doing their job. I don't get the outrage with it. If she has nothing in her body...that defense tactic is off the table...if there is something there they can use it.. Just the way things work in our justice system.

 

[turaj]

BBM

I dont know that was her reason for being outside. She could have found out where the noises were coming from and wanted to relay that to them or she could have been trying to point them in the right direction. I will not fault her for trying to help. She was allowed to be out in that alley if she wanted to.

Not you turaj, but I am starting to see more and more veiled attempts at victim blaming as we go along here.

no blaming the victim here at all...just commenting that human nature sometimes makes us want to run out and find out what happened especially as she sounded very upset to the 911 operator...as time goes on at least for myself I am trying to sort out my own theory and then see what is put to the public. Remember there is certainly much more relevant information that we simply are not privy to. I guess this case strikes me on many different levels...first happening close to my home and even more importantly I could see myself running out too...I get anxious and want to know RIGHT NOW what is happening. It really reminded me to never approach any cop doing anything near my home or anywhere.

 

[Karinna]

But it DOES MATTER to a defense attorney charged with defending his client. You have to be realistic......it is not an uncommon request and I think defense was just doing their job. I don't get the outrage with it. If she has nothing in her body...that defense tactic is off the table...if there is something there they can use it.. Just the way things work in our justice system.

Yes it is the way things work in the justice system. I have seen some defense attorney's try every dirty trick in the book to try and get their client acquitted. The victim gets horribly smeared in it all, and even though it is painful for the victim & their families of a crime, the defendent has the constitutional right to due process and a fair trial.

 

[grammieto5]

Who said that? I didn't.

LOL No it was not you. My statement is what I took from a few posts that I read.

 

[CoolJ]

no blaming the victim here at all...just commenting that human nature sometimes makes us want to run out and find out what happened especially as she sounded very upset to the 911 operator...as time goes on at least for myself I am trying to sort out my own theory and then see what is put to the public. Remember there is certainly much more relevant information that we simply are not privy to. I guess this case strikes me on many different levels...first happening close to my home and even more importantly I could see myself running out too...I get anxious and want to know RIGHT NOW what is happening. It really reminded me to never approach any cop doing anything near my home or anywhere.

BBM

That is unacceptable. LE should be approachable. That is their job. That is their responsibility.

 

[turaj]

BBM

That is unacceptable. LE should be approachable. That is their job. That is their responsibility.

It may be unacceptable to you but that is the reality of the situation...I think to change it could be very difficult. I also do get that when they are in the process of a call and may have anything happen at a split second notice...I do get they can't be having citizens running up and wanting info.

 

[Karinna]

BBM

That is unacceptable. LE should be approachable. That is their job. That is their responsibility.

You would think so. Who else do people go to for help otherwise?

 

[grammieto5]

Please make no mistake; I am in no way defending the one who ended Justine's life! She is without a doubt an innocent victim in this case. All I am saying is when an innocent life has ended either LE by a gang member or an innocent person by LE both lives are equally important. A life has ended an innocent life. RIP Justine

 

[Betty P]

Not sure where the idea was proposed

It was speculation put forth by the killer's defense team.

Justine has been deceased for some time now. You would think they have the results of her autopsy and could clear this up. Instead, the speculation hangs out there.

At the same time, we have no confirmation that Noor was tested for drugs immediately after he killed her. No confirmation that his home or vehicle were searched. Just a lot of silence.

 

[Tricia]

Stay on topic, please.

No more mention of any other police shootings or shooting of any kind other than the police shooting that killed Justine.

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Tricia

 

[turaj]

complete silence but pretty certain that both victim and Noor's results are all in and searches were done. LE has to know they simply must get this one right...not only do they have the community watching them...the families including the government of Australia.

 

[CoolJ]

complete silence but pretty certain that both victim and Noor's results are all in and searches were done. LE has to know they simply must get this one right...not only do they have the community watching them...the families including the government of Australia.

You think they they did a blood test on Noor and searched his home that night?

 

[turaj]

You think they they did a blood test on Noor and searched his home that night?

i have no information one way or another so no reason to think they did not. I have heard zero about what happened after the shooting and attempted cpr. I think it is reasonable to think they did...if not it will be a major topic in a court case.

 

[turaj]

I still think the filing of this lawsuit in federal court https://dockets.justia.com/docket/minnesota/mndce/0:2017cv02920/166419...the day prior to this murder set Noor's mood that night. This plaintiff requested a jury trial and I am sure Don Damond will too.

 

[human]

I remember growing up we were taught policemen were our friends.

My friend since we were 6 years old married a cop. Divorced him. The stories. Wow.

Ever since then, more and more I have learned to be wary of the police.

Probably schools should now to teach how to behave with police to stay alive as much as possible. Not always possible .

 

[katydid23]

I have been trying to find verification of the policy in Minneapolis in cases of police shootings---RE: drug testing officers.

found this on govt website:http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300


5-308 NOTIFICATION OF FIREARM DISCHARGES (10/16/02) (04/30/15)

A. Employee Responsibility

Any employee who discharges a firearm, whether on or off duty, shall make direct contact with their immediate supervisor or the on-duty Watch Commander and the local jurisdiction as soon as possible except: (08/17/07) (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

· While at an established target range;
· While conducting authorized ballistics tests;
· When engaged in legally recognized activities while off-duty.

B. Supervisor Responsibility

1. The supervisor shall respond to any scene in which an employee has discharged a firearm while on-duty or in the course of duty. (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

2. The supervisor is responsible for notifying the Watch Commander and when appropriate, the employee’s Deputy Chiefand the on-duty Homicide investigator. This does not include the discharge of a firearm with the intention of dispatching an animal, unless it results in injury to a person. (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

3. Notifications to the Internal Affairs Unit shall be made in accordance with the Internal Affairs Call-Out Notification Policy (P/P 2-101). (04/05/16)

4. The advised supervisor shall ensure that drug and alcohol testing is conducted in accordance with the conditions and procedures in the MPD Drug & Alcohol Testing Policy (P/P Section 3-1000). (04/30/15)

5. At any officer-involved shooting incident in which a person is shot, the Critical Incident Policy (P/P Section 7-800) shall be followed. (04/30/15)

 

[katydid23]

So it appears that the regulations require that the officer would have been drug/alcohol tested at the scene.

 

[katydid23]

I remember growing up we were taught policemen were our friends.

My friend since we were 6 years old married a cop. Divorced him. The stories. Wow.

Ever since then, more and more I have learned to be wary of the police.

Probably schools should now to teach how to behave with police to stay alive as much as possible. Not always possible .

And at the same time, the police have learned to be wary of the public. They used to think the public admired and respected them but that has changed drastically.

One of the reasons for that is the way the media has been portraying the police, which has nott always been fair and unbiased. JMO