MN- Minneapolis, mass shooting at church, multiple fatalities, possible explosive device found. Aug 2025

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A 13-year-old boy and a 12-year-old girl have been identified among the victims injured in Wednesday's horror mass shooting at a Minneapolis school church.

Endre Gunter, 13, and Sophia Forchas, 12, survived the attack but are now fighting for their lives in hospital after shooter Robin Westman, 23, shot them in the attack at the Annunciation Catholic School and Church


 
  • #282
A 13-year-old boy and a 12-year-old girl have been identified among the victims injured in Wednesday's horror mass shooting at a Minneapolis school church.

Endre Gunter, 13, and Sophia Forchas, 12, survived the attack but are now fighting for their lives in hospital after shooter Robin Westman, 23, shot them in the attack at the Annunciation Catholic School and Church


I posted information about Sophia, above. Here is more information on Endre who is now fighting for his life, also.


Endre Gunter, 13, was shot in the stomach when Westman fired three weapons through the church's stained glass windows at the praying students inside, his family said.

'Our son was shot at school today, inside a church praying with his classmates,' his mother Danielle Gunter told CNN.

Danielle thanked Minneapolis first responders who raced to her son's side, saying an 'officer rendered aid, hugged him, reassured him, and prayed with him before getting into the ambulance'.

The stricken mother said her son is recovering in hospital, and they will now focus on helping him 'rebuild his life, his trust, and his confidence'.

'We pray that everyone touched by this tragedy can find the strength to begin rebuilding too,' she added.
 
  • #283
I wonder if some of this "pain in the world" that he mentioned is just her consuming too-much-negative-news that people can fall into. It can consume you.

Thinking that all the negative news they read is what the real world is and not understanding that it is just media/news organizations trying to get clicks and readership. They did a study and found that news is 4500% more negative that the sum total of the lives of all people surveyed. For example, when someone gets murdered in El Paso and it make the news, they think that murder rate is closing in on them. I don't know...

This discernment for a young inexperienced person is especially hard when they might be isolated and only get their view of the world thru the media or negative fear-mongering web sites.

This was just a stray thought. I mean after all, this 23 year old had a roof over his head, 3 square meals a day and had changed his gender identity.. .so what real world problems were really holding him down? Sees rich people and thinks it's unfair because he only graduated HS and could only make minimum wage? Thinks it is society's fault he is failing?

I guess it easy for me to say at 64 years old and have a lot of perspective on what to consider a real threat and what else out there is just hot air to sell something...
We don't know if the shooter ever worked. So far we just know about three months of work at a marijuana dispensary and that the shooter regularly showed up late and had other job-related issues as was reported upthread. We don't know if the shooter worked anywhere between the time the shooter graduated from high school and the shooting yesterday. We don't know how the shooter was being supported financially.
 
  • #284
Is information from the director of the US FBI Kash Patel, an approved source for information on this case?
 
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I am not Catholic, I am a Messianic Jew and the thought that anyone could go after children, let alone for faith.
 
  • #287
The shooter is an absolute monster.

My thoughts are with those effected.

its really disheartening to see this monsters actions be used against an entire group of people.

theres no doubt that this incident will be used to target the trans community.

in fact its already starting, and it will likely end up with more innocent people being hurt.

Obviously the forefront of the attention and care should go towards those directly effected, but I don't necessarily think it's inappropriate to share concern about this event being weaponized towards innocent people.

 
  • #288
Is information from the director of the US FBI Kash Patel, an approved source for information on this case?
If you are asking if the FBI should be taken at face value, I would agree that the answer is, and always has been, no.
 
  • #289
I posted information about Sophia, above. Here is more information on Endre who is now fighting for his life, also.


Endre Gunter, 13, was shot in the stomach when Westman fired three weapons through the church's stained glass windows at the praying students inside, his family said.

'Our son was shot at school today, inside a church praying with his classmates,' his mother Danielle Gunter told CNN.

Danielle thanked Minneapolis first responders who raced to her son's side, saying an 'officer rendered aid, hugged him, reassured him, and prayed with him before getting into the ambulance'.

The stricken mother said her son is recovering in hospital, and they will now focus on helping him 'rebuild his life, his trust, and his confidence'.

'We pray that everyone touched by this tragedy can find the strength to begin rebuilding too,' she added.
I'm not particularly religious, but I'll certainly be praying for Endre, Sophia, and all the other kids and their families ❤️
 
  • #290
I am not Catholic, I am a Messianic Jew and the thought that anyone could go after children, let alone for faith.
The shooter, ( im not speaking their name, I refuse to even acknowledge them as a person. I'm not giving them the infamy they so desperately wanted) appears to have hated everyone and everything. They likely wanted to go out with a bang, and knew shooting up a school would do that.

It's very possible they targeted the victims because they were catholic, but who knows. I guess we will have to wait and see
 
  • #291

Investigators have not spoken to the shooter's mother yet, police chief says​

From CNN's Tori B. Powell
While officials have conducted “dozens of interviews” following yesterday’s shooting, investigators have still not spoken to the shooter’s mother, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said.

“I know we have not been successful in talking to the shooter’s mother yet at this time,” O’Hara said. “But there continue to be efforts made to get that done.”

“We have not found a specific trigger for why to target the children at this church,” Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said.

O’Hara said the shooter does have a connection to Annunciation in that the shooter attended the school and the shooter’s mother worked for the parish. But, he said police have not identified a “specific grievance” against the church.

The police chief also said they have not found evidence that the shooter was part of “radicalized” online groups, but the shooter did have a fascination with other mass shootings.

Officials recovered approximately 116 rifle rounds, one live round from a handgun and three shotgun shells at the scene of the shooting, according to Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara.

O’Hara said at a news conference today that the handgun “appears to have malfunctioned as the shooter attempted to use it and became stuck in the chamber.”

The shooter that opened fire on students at a Minnesota Catholic church yesterday “appeared to hate all of us,” said Joseph Thompson, the acting US Attorney for the District of Minnesota.

Thompson said officials are investigating the motive in the shooting. To do that, they are combing through “hundreds of pages of writings” by the shooter, he said.

The writings include comments on the shooter’s plan and mental state, but “more than anything,” the writings “describe the shooter’s hate. Pure, indiscriminate hate.”

 
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The shooter, ( im not speaking their name, I refuse to even acknowledge them as a person. I'm not giving them the infamy they so desperately wanted) appears to have hated everyone and everything. They likely wanted to go out with a bang, and knew shooting up a school would do that.

It's very possible they targeted the victims because they were catholic, but who knows. I guess we will have to wait and see
This is exactly why I asked if info from the director of the FBI is an approved source.
 
  • #293
As far as i know the “court order” was for name change from Robert to Robin.

Didn’t know you needed a “court order” for gender change.

Jmo
My thoughts exactly.
 
  • #294
This is exactly why I asked if info from the director of the FBI is an approved source.
Ik they've mentioned it's being investigated as an anti catholic hate crime, but I don't know if that's been confirmed as the motive.
 
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“I know we have not been successful in talking to the shooter’s mother yet at this time,” O’Hara said. “But there continue to be efforts made to get that done.”

This is concerning.
 
  • #296
No child anywhere should have to live like this.
We have to decide what we love more in the US: children or guns.


Transgender mass shooter Robin Westman complained about being 'tired of being trans' and had been 'brainwashed' in a chilling manifesto before killing two children in a mass shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic church.

Court records seen by the Daily Mail reveal Westman, 23, was previously known as Robert, before changing name in 2020.

According to court papers filed in Dakota County, Minnesota from the time, Westman wanted to the name Robin to reflect that '[identifying] as a woman'.

But in a handwritten manifesto shared by the shooter in a YouTube video before opening fire, Westman appeared to question that decision.

'I only keep [the long hair] because it is pretty much my last shred of being trans. I am tired of being trans, I wish I never brain-washed myself,' the killer wrote in a scrawled cryptic message.

'I can’t cut my hair now as it would be an embarrassing defeat, and it might be a concerning change of character that could get me reported.
THIS is why the mayor is concerned that the trans community will be attacked over this.
Robin was a fraud, evil, a monster, sick in the head, you name it. Some people will see this attack and use it to fuel their own personal biases/phobias/hatred against trans people.

Think about it like this - 9/11 sparked an increase in hate crimes against Muslims Post 9/11 Hate Crime Trends: Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and Jews in the U.S. (2013) | Pluralism Project Archive - a horrible crime like this could easily increase hate crimes against trans people (whether they are teens or adults).

Please do not get me wrong. I feel heartbroken for everyone who experienced this shooting whether they were there or know someone who was or they just live in the community. I just also cannot help but to think about the broader sociological impact an event like this has.
 
  • #297
“I know we have not been successful in talking to the shooter’s mother yet at this time,” O’Hara said. “But there continue to be efforts made to get that done.”

This is concerning.
Yeah, same. Lots of new information at that briefing today.
 
  • #298
Which came first, the mental illness or the gender change? Did one cause the other?
 
  • #299
Which came first, the mental illness or the gender change? Did one cause the other?
Given the fact that he was acting insane back in middle school per interviews with his classmates that others have linked in this thread, definitely the mental illness.
 
  • #300
Which came first, the mental illness or the gender change? Did one cause the other?
That would probably be the first time in history a voluntary gender change caused psychosis. The other way... Psychosis msking someone delusional about their gender? Maybe, but I doubt.
 

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