Found Deceased MO - Clauddinnea 'Dee Dee' Blancharde, 48, Springfield, 10 June 2015 - #2 *Arrests*

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  • #881
(You should play one on the internet. Pretty savvy!) But the only way she WILL get intensive treatment is via an acquittal. In MO, a finding of NGRI leads to involuntary confinement in a mental health facility. http://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2314&context=mlr

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This is why I don't play one on the Internet, lol. I thought there was a difference between a simple "not guilty" and NGRI. NGRI (to my non-lawyer brain :doh:) could result in court-ordered hospitalization/treatment whereas "not guilty," or acquittal, would allow her to simply walk. IOW, I thought NGRI was a "not guilty" with a caveat, i.e., "We all know the person did it, but they can't really be held fully/legally responsible."

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  • #882
Here's an example of a recent MO NGRI case. (It doesn't explain her mental health history though or hey she was found NGRI):

"She also reviewed State Law concerning the procedures following a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity. According to Missouri law, Weathers must be committed to the Director of Mental Diseases indefinitely and will be housed in a maximum security facility. Weathers can only be released if she or the hospital superintendent initiates a hearing before a judge where she must prove she no longer has a mental defect rendering her dangerous. The Prosecutor’s Office is notified of this hearing and will have an opportunity to argue against the release of the defendant." http://www.kmzu.com/wellington-resident-not-guilty-by-reason-of-insanity/

But here is an analysis of all the NGRI cases in MO between 1980 and 2009. Very interesting. Women aremore likely to be found NGRI, more typically have committed murder when the defense is applied and typically suffered depression or a personality disorder! Not psychotic. Wow: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/....1080/08974454.2014.890160?journalCode=wwcj20

Does this NGRI defense require that the defendant remain incapacitated after prolonged treatment? The reason I ask is that the two instances you've cited (depression and personality disorder) are often treatment adverse conditions. That is to say that many times they do not respond to treatment and the party remains (to some extent) incapacitated. I've noted that the Colorado Theater shooter insanity / incapacitated defense somehow hinges upon his psychosis being resistant to treatment (or so I've gathered via media reports).

The only case I can recall that the insanity plea 'worked' was that used during the attempt on President Regan's life. (John Hinckley). http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hinckley/hinckleyinsanity.htm His psychosis was resistant to treatment and he was sent to a facility such as the one you've described above. I do believe that he has now been deemed competent and has some freedom outside the facility now.

Thank you for your answers regarding the likelihood of NGRI being used in this case.
 
  • #883
Does this NGRI defense require that the defendant remain incapacitated after prolonged treatment? The reason I ask is that the two instances you've cited (depression and personality disorder) are often treatment adverse conditions. That is to say that many times they do not respond to treatment and the party remains (to some extent) incapacitated. I've noted that the Colorado Theater shooter insanity / incapacitated defense somehow hinges upon his psychosis being resistant to treatment (or so I've gathered via media reports).

The only case I can recall that the insanity plea 'worked' was that used during the attempt on President Regan's life. (John Hinckley). http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hinckley/hinckleyinsanity.htm His psychosis was resistant to treatment and he was sent to a facility such as the one you've described above. I do believe that he has now been deemed competent and has some freedom outside the facility now.

Thank you for your answers regarding the likelihood of NGRI being used in this case.

Somewhat related... your post led me to look up the Canadian bus beheading from a few years back. The killer received the Canadian equivalent of NGRI, and he was just released from the mental hospital! Scary!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean


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  • #884
(You should play one on the internet. Pretty savvy!) But the only way she WILL get intensive treatment is via an acquittal. In MO, a finding of NGRI leads to involuntary confinement in a mental health facility. http://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2314&context=mlr



I don't know. jjenny is totally right that NGRI would be a very tough sell. But I think it's not impossible here. Improbable but I would try it. As pepelepolecat said above, diminished capacity is also available as a defense according to what I found on the internet. I will edit to link. http://www.courts.mo.gov/hosted/res...7_DefLessIncOff_files/CH_17_DefLessIncOff.htm

Yes, it's very tough sell because she doesn't appear to be psychotic. I mean, if she believed she was a princess in a tower and her mother was a dragon guarding her, and that's why a knight in shining armor had to slay the dragon, that would qualify as insanity.
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  • #885
Yes, it's very tough sell because she doesn't appear to be psychotic. I mean, if she believed she was a princess in a tower and her mother was a dragon guarding her, and that's why a knight in shining armor had to slay the dragon, that would qualify as insanity.
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A large percentage of clinically psychotic people don't outwardly present as Lifetime Movie psychotic. IMO.
 
  • #886
This is why I don't play one on the Internet, lol. I thought there was a difference between a simple "not guilty" and NGRI. NGRI (to my non-lawyer brain :doh:) could result in court-ordered hospitalization/treatment whereas "not guilty," or acquittal, would allow her to simply walk. IOW, I thought NGRI was a "not guilty" with a caveat, i.e., "We all know the person did it, but they can't really be held fully/legally responsible."

I'm learning!

We are all learning!

Does this NGRI defense require that the defendant remain incapacitated after prolonged treatment? The reason I ask is that the two instances you've cited (depression and personality disorder) are often treatment adverse conditions. That is to say that many times they do not respond to treatment and the party remains (to some extent) incapacitated. I've noted that the Colorado Theater shooter insanity / incapacitated defense somehow hinges upon his psychosis being resistant to treatment (or so I've gathered via media reports).

The only case I can recall that the insanity plea 'worked' was that used during the attempt on President Regan's life. (John Hinckley). http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hinckley/hinckleyinsanity.htm His psychosis was resistant to treatment and he was sent to a facility such as the one you've described above. I do believe that he has now been deemed competent and has some freedom outside the facility now.

Thank you for your answers regarding the likelihood of NGRI being used in this case.
I would venture to guess that having a treatment resistant condition would make it easier to be found NGRI, but there have been many cases where the person did not have a treatment resistant condition and was still found NGRI. Like Andrea Yates. If she had stopped having babies and been allowed to stay in a hospital longer than five minutes, I;m sure her condition could've been pretty easily treated.

Here are some NGRI cases I've found:

Jennifer Bigham - This woman drowned her toddler in a bathtub (a la Andrea Yates). (She was found NGRI, but inexplicably, was not sent to a mental institution. Three years later, she was deemed sane and released. The prosecution appealed stating she was to be committed. They won and the woman was remanded to a locked facility).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...r-drown-daughter-released-jail_n_2536378.html
http://news.yahoo.com/insanity-ruling-patterson-mom-084327705.html
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=9SRuXiWmtKcLz5jX3DvssQ&bvm=bv.96952980,d.aWw

Lorena Bobbitt - cut off her husband's penis and acquitted, after having been found temporarily insane: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/22/us/lorena-bobbitt-acquitted-in-mutilation-of-husband.html

Terry Sedlacek - murdered a pastor. NGRI. Had a history of schizophrenia: https://baptistnews.com/ministry/people/item/30251-pastor-s-killer-ruled-not-guilty-due-to-insanity

Here's a whole BBC news report on a hospital full of them: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31962182

Andrew Steele - murdered his wife and sister in law. Not psychotic, but depressed. he planned the killing but was found NGRI: http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_ef0b750c-c3e1-5e27-8527-daab7405451e.html

The vast majority of these case involve very psychotic, many schizophrenic defendants. However, Bobbitt was not psychotic and although she may not have planned it, her case makes me think the insanity defense is worth a try here. She really mounted a battered wife syndrome defense masquerading as an insanity defense. And won.
 
  • #887
A large percentage of clinically psychotic people don't outwardly present as Lifetime Movie psychotic. IMO.

Yeah. Hot Mess needs to be a clinical diagnosis. Maybe a V code.


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  • #888
A large percentage of clinically psychotic people don't outwardly present as Lifetime Movie psychotic. IMO.

Thank you.

And people who suffer from psychosis are not always psychotic 100% of the time. The symptoms can come and go.
 
  • #889
I think it would be very easy to put on abuse defense.
I personally don't have any doubt that Gypsy was abused for years and years (and we probably only saw a tip of the iceberg). Defense could call on numerous witnesses who saw this over the years.
 
  • #890
Just the pics. of Gypsy scream abuse to me.
 
  • #891
I think it would be very easy to put on abuse defense.
I personally don't have any doubt that Gypsy was abused for years and years (and we probably only saw a tip of the iceberg). Defense could call on numerous witnesses who saw this over the years.

This is where I stand now too.
The only thing that I find unfair is that Gipsy got the boyfriend to do the deed and now that poor guy gotta pay for what he did.
Just the fact that Gipsy didn't got out one night while her mother was sleeping and go to the police and explain it all, screams abuse to me too. She probably didn't even thought of that as an option. I'm very curious to know what kinds of things Deedee told her would happen is she blew the scheme. Such a sad story for everyone involved. :(


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  • #892
Authorities took three vials of blood and two saliva swabs from Gypsy Blanchard to test her DNA against blood and "biological samples" found in her dead mother's home, according to new court documents.

A search warrant says authorities went to the Greene County Jail on Tuesday and took the samples from Gypsy to help in the investigation of the homicide of Gypsy's mother, 48-year-old Clauddinnea "Dee Dee" Blanchard.
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It is unclear from the most recent search warrant the scope of the "blood and biological samples" recovered from the scene.


http://www.news-leader.com/story/ne...ities-draw-gypsys-blood-dna-testing/29872063/
 
  • #893
Surely there will be a warrant for blood and saliva samples from Godejon also.
 
  • #894
Surely there will be a warrant for blood and saliva samples from Godejon also.

I saw on the local news earlier that they had also issued a warrant for Godejon as well.
 
  • #895
Maybe its just me but I thought the boy looked like he is not all together either. jmo
 
  • #896
Supposedly he has Asperger's.
 
  • #897
This is where I stand now too.
The only thing that I find unfair is that Gipsy got the boyfriend to do the deed and now that poor guy gotta pay for what he did.
Just the fact that Gipsy didn't got out one night while her mother was sleeping and go to the police and explain it all, screams abuse to me too. She probably didn't even thought of that as an option. I'm very curious to know what kinds of things Deedee told her would happen is she blew the scheme. Such a sad story for everyone involved. :(


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"Poor guy" didn't have to go in there and do with he did. He wasn't the one Dee Dee abused for years.
 
  • #898
"Poor guy" didn't have to go in there and do with he did. He wasn't the one Dee Dee abused for years.

I know, but from the victim abuse point of view if Gipsy had done it it would be an "easier " case ,that's what I meant.

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  • #899
"Poor guy" didn't have to go in there and do with he did. He wasn't the one Dee Dee abused for years.

Aspergers played a part in that IMO.
I feel worse for him than Gypsy!
But they both are dangerous and are where they both belong!
 
  • #900
I know, but from the victim abuse point of view if Gipsy had done it it would be an "easier " case ,that's what I meant.

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IMO Gypsy knew exactly what she was doing!..
Ill bet they find all this on her computer....
 
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