Found Deceased MO - Clauddinnea 'Dee Dee' Blancharde, 48, Springfield, 10 June 2015 - #2 *Arrests*

[bluesneakers]

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If she was sheltered and not allowed to do anything where would the dark sexual side come from? ?

Maybe it found her.

 

[GigTu]

If she was sheltered and not allowed to do anything where would the dark sexual side come from?

My instinct says she was attracted to the exact opposite of that which she was forced to portray. It was her secret from her mother, making it that much more provocative to her. JMO

 

[gitana1]

First time responding to this thread but longtime reader....

A few questions/thoughts....

I'm still unsure of how I feel after reading every single thread about DD/GB...

For those that think she should be set free.... Obviously she has no education how will she support herself? In some way or another she has learned the art of manipulation from DD who is to say she will not carry on manipulating others as I'm sure plenty feel bad for her for what she has been through rightfully so but at what point can it not be used as an excuse and she be held accountable as an adult? MOO she needs mental help extensively.

If she was sheltered and not allowed to do anything where would the dark sexual side come from? She obviously had plenty of time on the Internet and chatted frequently with strangers and had friends. How do we know for sure DD sheltered her so much. Maybe DD let her have her own time in return for GB keeping the ruse up? I will let you do this if you keep doing that mentality.....

Last, for those who think it is all DD's fault she was murdered? What do we really know about her? What was her childhood like? Was these learned traits from her mother that she carried on to her daughter? What was their relationship like in that house when it was just them?

I don't think there's one person here who thinks Gypsy should simply be set free. She is likely damaged beyond repair. Years in a mental institution would probably be best. She's ruined.

Also medical torture in the guise of "love" is enough to cause any child to develop a dark sexual side over time.

As as far as their relationship in the house, and whether Gypsy was "in on it" as many have suggested, I really urge everyone who hasn't to delve into the sick world of medical abuse, if you think you can handle it. IMO it explains a lot.

The relationships are complex. I think it is very rare that a child in this situstion, even as an adult, is "in on it". Having been raised in a world of domination, control, and love given only in the context of the attention or gifts the mother can glean from the medical abuse, the kids grow to become twisted and incapable often of breaking free. They may know internally that they can walk, for example, but having been told forever that they can't and having doctors agree, they
may have trouble determining reality.

And this is even so when they have evidence that they can move their legs, for example. It is more so because the mother will control them- punishing them for walking, or for moving their legs, either physically or by withholding love and then rewarding them for conforming to the "expectations". But this is not done in the way people keep repeating here: "You'll get in trouble for fraud if you don't play along." Or "We won't get gifts if you tell the truth." That's not what happens in these situations.

An example I recall was a 10 year old boy whose mother kept exaggerating his medical condition. He had a contentious relationship with his mother, and would snap to, just like Gypsy, acting "sick" whenever his mother was in the room, complaining of symptoms and agreeing with her when she was there. When removed from her care, he refused at first to believe he was okay. Eventually his symptoms cleared.

A better example of what happens is a kid, let's say like Gypsy, in the doctors office waiting for the doctor to come in. She moves her legs a bit. Mother grabs her hard looms in and pinches her somewhere while saying in a menacing and sinister tone, "You know you're not well. Your legs can't move. Try that again and you'll face the consequences."

Juxtapose that with what happens when the doctor comes in and Gypsy "confirms" the diagnosis- The mother fawns over her, pets her, buys her a treat after.

These kids typically know subconsciously that they aren't as sick as their mother says but they are psychologically incapable of admitting the truth to themselves or others for fear of losing their mother's love or being harmed by their parent. These are very, very scary parents and their hildren typically live a life desperately seeking their love, and with it the hope that mommy won't hurt them, while feeling quiet feelings of terror, sensing what mommy can do to them.

It is complex and quite evil and what Gypsy was raised in since early childhood. To expect her to be able to suddenly and magically figure it all out and extricate herself from the situation at age 18, is unreasonable.

There are a lot of case studies out there and books and two threads of such cases right here on websleuths. To understand Gypsy I think it's necessary to know something about these cases.

 

[gitana1]

Here is an interesting medical abuse case. Kathy Bush was found guilty of abusing her daughter and sentenced to 3-5 years in prison. Her daughter suffered years of horrible medical procedures, feeding tubes, ports, seizures, extreme digestive issues.

The very moment she was taken from her mom, her symptoms totally disappeared. Today, after 10 years in foster care and reuniting with her family, she is a social worker. She steadfastly believes her mother never abused her. She magically "grew out of" her problems, coincidentally timed precisely with when she was removed from her home. Yet she cannot bring herself to believe her mother ever harmed her:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-proxy-case-speaks-time-19-years-later.html

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-jennifer-bush-munchausen-20150415-story.html#page=1

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...hausen-by-Proxy-and-the-case-of-Jennifer-Bush

 

[jbelle]

bbm ... A kid who is determined to do something will almost certainly find a way to do it. Obviously she had access to the Internet -- and I'd assume at least some of it was with her mom's permission. But I'm not sure that she had much freedom at all irl.

The dark sexual side reminded me of a conversation I had elsewhere this past week. has become increasingly violent and abusive over time. If that's where and how she learned about sex/sexuality, it could have had a profound effect on her. When something is portrayed as normal and common to a girl (or boy, for that matter) going through puberty, that's what she's going to strive for in an effort to be normal. Even non-sheltered teen girls are doing things today that were rarely even mentioned much less done just 20 years ago.

Spot on. Anyone who thinks the DD/lg BDSM lifestyle is rare or shocking should just go on tumblr for 5 minutes and you'll find thousands and thousands who are just like these two.
Mostly young girls who have the same Disney Princess interests as Gypsy does.
Throw in some sparkling teenage vampire fan fic that brings BDSM to mainstream teens and housewives and it's not so strange anymore. I think the people who mainly participate in the lifestyle online only
participate because being a part of a subculture makes them feel like they fit in.

I am trying to see all sides here but I can't really find much benefit to Gypsy from this lifestyle. I guess we'll find out if she had her own accounts and received her share of the loot eventually but I REALLY doubt that is going to happen. What would it take for any of us to live like Gypsy for years and years? For me it would be a heck of a lot more than tickets to Disney. I also think if she was so happy and loved it so much she would still be doing it.

Another thing I wonder is what did Deedee have in store for Gypsy long term? What about when she got older and looked less like a stereotypical "special needs girl"? Was Gypsy ever going to be able to have an education, a husband, a child? Would any of us HONESTLY give up all of that for whatever pittance Gypsy had? I honestly would not be surprised if Deedee had similar plans for Gypsy as Gypsy had for her. That is complete speculation on my part and we'll have to see what evidence can tell us.

I had an interesting conversation with an ex of mine about this case the other night. He is in a chair due to a brain injury and this case really sickens him. The thought of a parent forcing a child/young woman to live like him is too incomprehensible. The feeding tube is like the chair. It doesn't matter if she really needed it or not, the results were the same, she had to live like she needed them. If there is only one person in the entire world you can walk in front of, then you may as well need the chair. The food part is even worse, no eating in front of anyone and I won't be surprised if we learn about food restriction as well, can't be nice and robust when you are playing Gypsy's role.


As for the boyfriend, I don't know enough about him to form much of an opinion, seems most people talk about Gypsy. I will wait to find out more but "my girlfriend told me to" isn't much of a defense to me. I am open to hearing more about any mental health issues he may have or other circumstances in his life. I NEVER pick on looks and I hope it's not coming across terrible for me to say this, but most young guys don't look at Deedee and have the thoughts that he said he did. That boy ain't right.

I suppose we will have to wait and see what the trial brings to really know much of anything so no point arguing about it all now. I've been right in some cases and dead wrong in others.

 

[ozazure]

The boyfriend being involved confuses a lot. I mean, I understand that acting with deadly force to an incapacitated abuser happens quite frequently in domestic abuse. But once you have an accomplice to murder, you have them to help you escape and steal the money without murder. I know in the Sword and Scale they mentioned other times of Dee Dee getting her back under control after she reached out to others, so I guess this may have contributed to Gypsy feeling murder was her only shot. Add to that a lifetime of manipulating helpers, I guess the dots are drawn quite close together.

I do wonder if Gypsy snuck him into the house for the purpose of the murder or did Dee Dee know he was visiting?

 

[jjenny]

Gypsy had run away before, but Dee Dee found her and brought her back.
Gypsy was already an adult when she run away in 2011, but Dee Dee had multiple IDs for Gypsy, under some of which Gypsy was still a minor.
I don't think Gypsy believed she would be able to get away if her mother wasn't dead.
Obviously, despite being nearly 24, Gypsy was still under mother's control.

 

[jjenny]

As for money, I've seen claims that Dee Dee and Gypsy both participated in this fraud to get money out of people. Yet money is described as "Dee Dee's money" and Gypsy stole it out of the safe.
Why exactly is it Dee Dee's money, if both of them participated in this fraud?

 

[psyquestor]

Just my own gut feeling here but I agree with the theory that if Gypsy didn't get away from DD, Gypsy would have been the eventual victim of foul play. Probably to her demise. Dee Dee seemed to seek attention and pity for being a full time caretaker of a very sick child. We know that she didn't want too much scrutiny however, as she didn't want the newspaper to state precisely what affliction(s) Gypsy was supposedly suffering from. I think that this pity seeking would lead down the road to "grieving parent" at some point. Particularly since it seems Gypsy was no longer willing to go along with the scheme. (running away, online presence, dressing up in disguise and leaving the house (citation needed for the last part; this was theorized earlier in regards to the "disguises" in her possession).

Regarding the BDSM, it is mainstream and common. There are even those who enjoy medical bondage, as hard as that is for some to believe. They sell many devices online to that aim. (dentistry, gyno, extreme restraints etc.).

JMOO fwiw.

 

[jjenny]

I think Dee Dee could have just moved again and claim that Gypsy was a minor again.
Gypsy was short and skinny. With her not having hair, wearing huge glasses, bonnets, and sitting in a wheelchair, Gypsy could have been passed for someone much younger than her actual age of 23.
What I don't think Dee Dee ever planned to allow Gypsy to have her own life.

 

[human]

Deedee would not want a dead Gypsy. I bet anything Gypsy got SSI. Mom might have got money for taking care of Gypsy.

It is highly unlikely there could be life insurance on Gypsy. A dead Gypsy gets no cash after awhile.

There would be sympathy donations and then the cash flow would be done.

 

[psyquestor]

Deedee would not want a dead Gypsy. I bet anything Gypsy got SSI. Mom might have got money for taking care of Gypsy.

It is highly unlikely there could be life insurance on Gypsy. A dead Gypsy gets no cash after awhile.

There would be sympathy donations and then the cash flow would be done.

Yes, but what if she wasn't going to remain cooperative? What then? This is what I'm referring to when I say she would have eventually met up with foul play. DD would lose her meal ticket anyway if Gypsy left, but she could salvage some of that craved "attention" by becoming a grieving parent. JMOO

 

[KristiDFW]

There is a lot if talk regarding BDSM with Gypsy. I must have missed an article of her being in that lifestyle and/or interested in it. Is there a link to that?
Unless people are referring it to the picture of her with a knife and trying to relate that to BDSM, I am missing this?

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[bluesneakers]

There is a lot if talk regarding BDSM with Gypsy. I must have missed an article of her being in that lifestyle and/or interested in it. Is there a link to that?
Unless people are referring it to the picture of her with a knife and trying to relate that to BDSM, I am missing this?

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I've only seen the picture of her with the knife and an image he sent her on FB. I can't remember what it was exactly, but he said something like "This is us, except in reverse" because in the image the male was the dom and the female was the sub. It wasn't pornographic at all.

eta: I found the image. It's sort of a sexy Beauty and the Beast cartoon (not exactly BDSM imo and Belle looks sexy but I wouldn't call it ) and he said they could relate to it from opposites. The link I have isn't directly to FB though. Anyway, IMO it's not enough to say they were into BDSM.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I haven't kept up on this thread, so sorry if this was already posted, but the July 3 episode of Sword and Scale podcast featured this story.

 

[Aynia]

There is a lot if talk regarding BDSM with Gypsy. I must have missed an article of her being in that lifestyle and/or interested in it. Is there a link to that?
Unless people are referring it to the picture of her with a knife and trying to relate that to BDSM, I am missing this?

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I think it was more like a cosplay type of picture, probably depicting some character from a series or something. Just MOO.
But is the most normal picture I've seen of Gipsy and personally I liked it.

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[bellesnwhistles]

There is a lot if talk regarding BDSM with Gypsy. I must have missed an article of her being in that lifestyle and/or interested in it. Is there a link to that?
Unless people are referring it to the picture of her with a knife and trying to relate that to BDSM, I am missing this?

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I think it was the pages they follow and reposted pictures from on their shared FB account. (Gypsy and her bf)

 

[Aynia]

I still don't get why the BDSM would even matter. It's not like they were sharing things about Charles Manson.
They're kids.
I really just want to see how Gipsy will look like physically in the next court appearance. I'm sure she will look a lot different.


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[bluesneakers]

I think it was more like a cosplay type of picture, probably depicting some character from a series or something. Just MOO.
But is the most normal picture I've seen of Gipsy and personally I liked it.

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Probably this one:
Harley Quinn (Dr. Harleen Frances Quinzel, Psy.D.) is a fictional supervillain appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics, commonly as an adversary of the superhero Batman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Quinn

 

[Aynia]

Probably this one:
Harley Quinn (Dr. Harleen Frances Quinzel, Psy.D.) is a fictional supervillain appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics, commonly as an adversary of the superhero Batman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Quinn

I love you! Just looked at Gypsy picture again, it's the same collar. The same strips on the dress.
THANK YOU!

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