MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[tlcya]

Those were actually cigars, according to the police report.

I read that those cigars were used for smoking the marijuana in, that they 'empty them out' and will it with pot. IIRC.

Swisher Sweets is what he cigarellos appear to have been. They are more slender that your average cigar and used widely as you describe as a means of smoking pot. The paper is opened the tobacco removed and replaced with pot, then re rolled to resemble an average non tampered with cigarillo

This is bay far the preferred method for smoking weed via blunts in my hood.

To me, in the store incident, it appears it was a handful of this variety of swisher sweets.

 

[rob]

Article worth revisiting: "Why Did the MB Shooting Happen Here" [Canfield Green area]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_678334ce-500a-5689-8658-f548207cf253.html

"It’s a cluster of densely populated complexes that stand apart from the predominantly single-family streets of Ferguson. On a map, the area sticks out like an appendage, one that was added to Ferguson by annexation. Many of the children who live there aren’t even part of the Ferguson-Florissant school system. Adding to that isolation, police have blocked off nearly all access roads to the apartments with concrete barriers, fences and gate."

We have neighborhoods and apt complexes that have had all but one entrance blocked off because of the drive-thru drug buying traffic. This way if you go in, you ain't got but one way to get out. Many in the neighborhoods wanted it done, and they have seen improvement in the situation because of it.
Of course the dealers and buyers are not too happy about it.

 

[Klood-N]

Or maybe MB and/or other people in Ferguson have been blowing off and ignoring the cops so much for so long that he really thought the cop wouldn't dare to shoot him.

Given this new information from the transporter and how rioters didn't seem concerned about being shot when they shot police cars and threw Molotov cocktails, bottles, and rocks at police, maybe.

(Shout out to everyone here who stayed up those nights to document what was really happening. Popsicle deserves a medal.)

 

[Peliman]

We have neighborhoods and apt complexes that have had all but one entrance blocked off because of the drive-thru drug buying traffic. This way if you go in, you ain't got but one way to get out. Many in the neighborhoods wanted it done, and they have seen improvement in the situation because of it.
Of course the dealers and buyers are not too happy about it.

It is a good idea, our condo complex has one entrance and exit and I've worked with them and installed a video camera recording every vehicle entering and exiting the complex. The camera also covers a bus stop near the entrance in case of any trouble there LE might need recordings of.

 

[Muffet]

Just saw this on my FB. Dropping in and posting to ask the great minds here if I'm crazy or mean for just :facepalm:

IMO, there seems to be a pervasive line of thought that enforcing laws is mean and that non-violent offenses don't cause other people harm or loss of $

I don't think it is ever healthy to teach kids or adults that weak excuses are a ticket out of personal responsibility. If anything, it perpetuates low expectations and self esteem. IMO

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ant_amnesty_for_nonviolent_bench_warrants.php

(Would this be in addition to a yearly amnesty already in place? I'm confused.)



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[Muffet]

You could be right.

Yamichi Alcindor, a reporter with USA Today, went to the address for Willman released by Anonymous, but he no longer lived there. Instead, she found Kathie Warnack, an ex-girlfriend of Willman’s father, on the front porch, weeping. “I guess I’m going to have to sleep with my gun and put cameras on the house,” the woman said. “Now I have to defend myself, and I didn’t do anything wrong.”

Willman checked his social-media accounts–Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter–which were being flooded with hundreds of death threats. One read, “If we saw you walking in the streets, we’re going to prison rape you and then pop a cap in the back of your dome.” He shut down his accounts. The department suggested he go into lockdown.

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/anonymous-got-wrong-ferguson

Whoah!
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[rob]

How many states are Parks and Crump licenced to practice law in? or are they really just doing PR, rabble-rousing, stirring up trouble.

 

[Muffet]

It is a good idea, our condo complex has one entrance and exit and I've worked with them and installed a video camera recording every vehicle entering and exiting the complex. The camera also covers a bus stop near the entrance in case of any trouble there LE might need recordings of.

I'm still dying to know if these were the type of cameras Piaget said the police came and took.

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[Klood-N]

How many states are Parks and Crump licenced to practice law in? or are they really just doing PR, rabble-rousing, stirring up trouble.

I don't know, but I think they're working with Anthony Gray, who's local.

 

[Peliman]

I'm still dying to know if these were the type of cameras Piaget said the police came and took.

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Donno, I can tell you our camera is a personal one but if the video recording is useful to LE, they are welcome to it.

 

[Muffet]

Could be. It makes the most sense of anything.

Growing up where he did, MB was not living in a world where death and violence is only on media. He would know that an altercation with police and a gun could kill him.

I'd think so too, but then I've seen so many movies and caught some video games where guys walk through the gunfire, I have often thought that was a bad message to be sending kids.

Add to that the officer's apparently having his bell rung and vision off, and missing shots, I can see how this all would make MB cocky.

I thought the newest (?) witness account by the workers yesterday was pretty big, if true, in having ODW trailing about 10 feet behind, then backing up as MB advanced back toward him.



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[UdbCrzy2]

How many states are Parks and Crump licenced to practice law in? or are they really just doing PR, rabble-rousing, stirring up trouble.

I thought they were filing in Federal court.

 

[sonjay]

IMO, there seems to be a pervasive line of thought that enforcing laws is mean and that non-violent offenses don't cause other people harm or loss of $
<snip>...

(Would this be in addition to a yearly amnesty already in place? I'm confused.)

They literally want a get-out-of-jail-free card. :gaah:

If enforcing the laws is mean, then repeal the laws. No laws against speeding, none requiring a driver license or insurance, no laws against ..... well, let's see, shoplifting is a non-violent offense. So is burglary. So is drunk driving. I guess all those laws should be tossed out, too.

 

[Muffet]

My wife & I were stopped by two (in a car) Chicago police officers. We had made a wrong turn leaving a convention center & were basically lost. The officers stopped us & asked us what we were doing there. After explaining, they escorted us to the expressway. I'm pretty sure we were profiled because of our race & I'm glad they did.

I'm also glad they profile sportscars, especially driven by young men. Including white, affluent ones. I say this as a mother of one, who was cited three times as soon as he got his car. (Missing front license plate, going 11 mph over on the interstate, and not using a turn signal in a parking lot.)

We told him tough kitties, good lessons, and made him read and handle every ticket and fine on his own, which he had to do while working and going school.

He's safer and a better citizen because of all those experiences. IMO



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[human]

They literally want a get-out-of-jail-free card. :gaah:

If enforcing the laws is mean, then repeal the laws. No laws against speeding, none requiring a driver license or insurance, no laws against ..... well, let's see, shoplifting is a non-violent offense. So is burglary. So is drunk driving. I guess all those laws should be tossed out, too.

Hm. Affluenza, do you mean?

 

[reedus23]

I thought they were filing in Federal court.

They'd still have to be admitted pro hac vice, which is probably why they have local counsel.

 

[Klood-N]

So much of the initial narrative has fallen apart. An EMT declared him dead a few minutes after the shooting, he was covered a few minutes after that, the scene investigation was conducted, transport was called less than 2 hours after the shooting, the body transporter was there for Michael by 2:25, but couldn't get him because of shooting and the unruly crowd, so they sat right there waiting for two hours, and LE erected barriers to shield him from view. He did not lay out there with nobody checking on him uncovered for four hours. And Michael's mom knew why, in spite of what their attorneys have said. Per the video, she was pleading with the mob because the personnel were not safe to pick up her son's body. This is why it's so important to get the facts out there. The whole truth may help quell some of the rage. I'm glad more information is getting out and that McCulloch is moving quickly.

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/08/medic...el-browns-body-lay-on-the-ground-for-4-hours/

 

[tlcya]

I highly resent that fact that people think basic traffic and vehicle registration laws should not be applied to them because of financial hardship. I struggle to pay my annual registration and keep the required insurance covered on my hoopty. It is a burden and it is difficult. I am the working poor. and yet I do it. Why? Because my car is necessary in getting my kids to school and back and to my J O B between.

No vehicle, no private school for teen daughter, no job, no money, and right onto the public aid dole I go. Sometimes it is very discouraging to see carts full of expensive food items leaving the store, paid for by SNAP and then being loaded into a brand spanking new model cadillac escalade with gold rims and an expensive aftermarket stereo system blaring. It causes me to feel great resentment. So I think its unreasonable to expect that poor people should get a bye on such basic rules of vehicle ownership and maintaining their street legality.

Maybe so many more blacks in the area are pulled over because more of them let their sticker/registrations lapse. Keep that chit current as the laws require and there will be no pull over to which added charges of driving without license, marijuana in the vehicle, lack of basic minimum required insurance coverage and previously issued warrants won't come to light. It's common dang sense and as a member of the working poor who has a really tough time keeping those things current for my own vehicle, but still somehow manages I don't feel any sympathy with those who simply opt not to because their priorities are different and out of skew IMO.

The idea of I am poor and so therefore I shouldn't have to follow the same rules BS does not fly with me a member of the "poor".

 

[reedus23]

Thank you. That's a great thought to make a list about the evidence we know so far.

What we know are some of the timelines. Like, when MB and DJ were in the store, when they left, when ODW was at the sick call, when he encountered MB and DJ, when the backup police officers arrived etc.

The surveillance video which confirms that MB committed strong-armed robbery.

The autopsy: that MB was shot 6 times from the front (still many questions about more details, like in and outgoing bullets, from which angle the last bullet entered MB's head).

Toxicology: MB had marijuana in his system. Still more questions about possible other substances.

ODW had a swollen face from MB's assault. Still more questions what the x-rays and CT scan showed.

That's all I can think of right now. Anyone else?

Thanks for getting it started. Do we, in fact, have the toxicology already? I missed it if so and would love to read it to see what else might have been in his system.

As for things we currently have:

Robbery video
Clerk's testimony
Autopsy
Case Testimony
LE statement that DW injuried
DW's testimony possibly
DJ's testimony
Mitchell's testimony
Crenshaw's testimony
2 workers' testimony
Brady's testimony
May or may not have the black canseco witness (not sure if he's ever been identified)

What else am I missing?

Tox is presumably in but I don't think we've heard that for sure. Countless videos at the scene afterwards.

 

[Truthy]

Thanks for getting it started. Do we, in fact, have the toxicology already? I missed it if so and would love to read it to see what else might have been in his system.

As for things we currently have:

Robbery video
Clerk's testimony
Autopsy
Case Testimony
LE statement that DW injuried
DW's testimony possibly
DJ's testimony
Mitchell's testimony
Crenshaw's testimony
2 workers' testimony
Brady's testimony
May or may not have the black canseco witness (not sure if he's ever been identified)

What else am I missing?

Tox is presumably in but I don't think we've heard that for sure. Countless videos at the scene afterwards.

I don't think the tox screen was released- there was some conjecture from Baden about possible MJ positive and what it could mean IF it was positive. There have been no final autosy reports. Doesn't stop people posting as if heavey drug use was confirmed. IMHO.