MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #22

[Klood-N]

We counted at least 10 tea candles at #MikeBrown teddy bear memorial on Canfield. No injuries @KMOV #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/E8xiqHdjX8
https://twitter.com/LauraKHettiger/status/514390253139161089

Were candles left lit next to combustible material overnight?

https://twitter.com/LauraKHettiger/status/514386264003727362

It's been pointed out that only one of the memorials on Canfield burned, but protestors are saying "they" (the grand conspiracy) did it, and it's equal to a cross burning. :sigh:

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

And I am always wrong.

Just ask my wife.

ETA - or kids

ETAA- or my brother

ETAAA - or katydid

:laughing:

 

[DebinGA]

However one defines "justice", DJ walking away from this sorry saga unscathed isn't it.

 

[bettybaby00]

I completely understand it makes it harder to prove but let's say I sexually harassed a woman at work but she never reports it. A year later I sexually harass another later who does report it and a lawsuit is filed. During the course of discovery they learn of this prior harassment. I can guarantee you that the prior incident of harassment will be looked into and used at trial.

BBM but an undocumented complaint after the fact would likely be ripped apart at trial by most competent defense attorneys. Especially if there is a connection between the two employes. Let's not for get that PW mentions in one of her interviews she knew MB. She refers to them playing video games together.

Now if you were a serial harasser then it might stand up. Otherwise, not likely IMO

 

[Klood-N]

However one defines "justice", DJ walking away from this sorry saga unscathed isn't it.

My theory/hope is LE has copious evidence that Dorian lied and let him know the charges he faced, and he quickly turned state witness and his testimony to the GJ will be truthful and thus lead to no indictment. Then, all the materials including his sworn testimony will come out, and some will realize that he and others lied and intentionally started this mess. Even if he was given immunity from prosecution in exchange for truthful testimony, I wonder if store owners and others could go after him in civil court?

 

[bettybaby00]

We counted at least 10 tea candles at #MikeBrown teddy bear memorial on Canfield. No injuries @KMOV #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/E8xiqHdjX8
https://twitter.com/LauraKHettiger/status/514390253139161089

Were candles left lit next to combustible material overnight?

Note to protestors.....alcohol is flammable, and certain cough medicines are too

 

[Klood-N]

New pic of fire as it was burning
https://twitter.com/bassem_masri/status/514411982175215617

Some on twitter blaming "deli guy" (Ferguson Market?), some now blaming police. Meanwhile, the larger memorial sits untouched. Critical thinking skills would really help here.

 

[Sonya610]

Except Dorian and Michael didn't seem concerned or fearful at all when they saw the LE vehicle coming towards them, or when Wilson ordered them on to the sidewalk. Just generalized fear of police would have been to run or move even before the officer reached you.

The fear of police scenario wasn't specific to those two that day, but reflects the overall anger towards police in that community. It also isn't specific to police, the same things happen when different cultures interact and folks feel threatened or are intimidated by the level of crime; fear can quickly turn into dislike/hate.

 

[Klood-N]

The fear of police scenario wasn't specific to those two that day, but reflects the overall anger towards police in that community. It also isn't specific to police, the same things happen when different cultures interact and folks feel threatened or are intimidated by the level of crime; fear can quickly turn into dislike/hate.

I haven't seen fear of police there, but I do think a strong desire to not face punishment or consequences exists.

 

[Klood-N]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PDPJ/media/grid?idx=0&tid=514411370461540352

 

[LambChop]

No wonder police are overly vigilant in many of our communities. One local person tweets that many of the neighbors are blaming the poor shop owner who was robbed and won't shop in his store anymore, "snitches get stitches".

We can learn a lot from the tweets.

 

[Klood-N]

No wonder police are overly vigilant in many of our communities. One local person tweets that many of the neighbors are blaming the poor shop owner who was robbed and won't shop in his store anymore, "snitches get stitches".

We can learn a lot from the tweets.

I'm concerned they'll retaliate before they have facts (again). IMO, if firefighters detected accelerant, the area would have been cordoned off and investigators on scene, and the larger memorial where Michael was in the middle of the street would have been a target too.

 

[K_Z]

We counted at least 10 tea candles at #MikeBrown teddy bear memorial on Canfield. No injuries @KMOV #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/E8xiqHdjX8
https://twitter.com/LauraKHettiger/status/514390253139161089

Were candles left lit next to combustible material overnight?

https://twitter.com/LauraKHettiger/status/514386264003727362

It's been pointed out that only one of the memorials on Canfield burned, but protestors are saying "they" (the grand conspiracy) did it, and it's equal to a cross burning. :sigh:

Wow-- they still have a memorial with burning candles in place?? I'm actually surprised that there is still a roadside memorial--they must have liberal ordinances there, or maybe none at all.

In my area, DOT will allow them to stay in place for just a few days to a week or so after an accident, then they are removed. Burning candles and combustible material in a neighborhood would probably be removed in my area as a hazard, although I realize ordinances vary from place to place. (I did a paper on these roadside shrines many years ago, for a Death and Cultures class.)

And in this volatile situation, I'm sure removing a memorial would only spark more riots-- even if there was an ordinance, and advance notice from DOT was requested for residents to dismantle the memorial.

In the United States, the legal situation varies from state to state. In California, residents must pay a state fee of $1,000.[clarification needed] The states of Colorado, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin ban such memorials. Other states impose specific requirements.[6][7] In Birmingham, Alabama, roadside memorials have been removed from Interstate highways.[8] Some people view unauthorized street memorials as illegal and think they constitute the taking of public property for private purposes, and are also a distraction and therefore dangerous to the motoring public. Others think they serve as a sort of public service announcement that reminds drivers to be careful and drive safely, and are no more distracting than any other roadside advertisement. Others find them tacky and disturbing.

Using a Christian cross as a memorial along a public highway can be seen as an illegal endorsement of religion and has been challenged in a growing number of lawsuits by secular groups concerned about the separation of church and state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_memorial

 

[Klood-N]

Better picture. See the large memorial in the street, and the small one reforming at light pole.

Here now. Associated Press is here. @lostvoices14 are here. Neighbors are out and LIVID #MikeBrown #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/aL3sleQgvq
https://twitter.com/akacharleswade/status/514412262208327680

 

[LambChop]

I'm concerned they'll retaliate before they have facts (again). IMO, if firefighters detected accelerant, the area would have been cordoned off and investigators on scene, and the larger memorial where Michael was in the middle of the street would have been a target too.

Wouldn't a fire investigator go out if residents were claiming arson? Seems to me the fire department will just send someone out to make sure they do not put out any more candles because they are a fire hazard. They will have to remove the memorial in the middle of the road when the temperatures drop. If residents won't do it, the town will because it will be a driving hazard. jmo

 

[K_Z]

I'm concerned they'll retaliate before they have facts (again). IMO, if firefighters detected accelerant, the area would have been cordoned off and investigators on scene, and the larger memorial where Michael was in the middle of the street would have been a target too.

Wait-- are you saying there is still a memorial in the MIDDLE of the street?? Or did I misinterpret?

Seriously??That twitter pic is from today?? I cannot believe they would allow a memorial in the middle of the road!! That's outrageous, IMO!

 

[Klood-N]

It was filled with stuffed animals and surrounded by candles. Flames from the candles likely sparked the small fire.
http://fox2now.com/2014/09/23/mike-brown-memorial-catches-fire/

Video of fire with bad language at link

 

[Klood-N]

Wait-- are you saying there is still a memorial in the MIDDLE of the street?? Or did I misinterpret?

Yes, it's still there and pretty big. See pic in post # 376.

 

[K_Z]

Wouldn't a fire investigator go out if residents were claiming arson? Seems to me the fire department will just send someone out to make sure they do not put out any more candles because they are a fire hazard. They will have to remove the memorial in the middle of the road when the temperatures drop. If residents won't do it, the town will because it will be a driving hazard. jmo

Well, IMO, it's a hazard today. No need to wait until snow plows are obstructed. I really am astonished that they allow a memorial on a double yellow line! No way would that be permitted in my area! Not even the day of death.

 

[Klood-N]

A News 4 photographer on the scene said firefighters used extinguishers, not hoses, to control the flames.
Police speculate candles are the cause
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Michael-Brown-memorial-catches-fire-destroyed--276453841.html