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Good footnote catch in that document! Yes, seems like a very similar deal.
GUILTY MO - Nicholas, 35, & Justin Diemel, 24, brothers missing, Clinton County, 21 July 2019 *ARREST* #2
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Good footnote catch in that document! Yes, seems like a very similar deal.
Did Diemels Previously Take This Indiana Debtor to Court?
Does linked doc indicate that Diemels took this Indiana dealer to court to collect?
Short answer = No, imo.
Long answer = No, imo and why.
Linked doc was not a doc Diemels had filed in court in an action to try to collect from a debtor. The doc was a complaint the Dept of Ag enforcement unit filed in an administrative proceeding, not in court. It alleged Brian J.,(Respondent), a livestock dealer in Indiana, violated fed law & D/Ag regulations, including ---
1) failing to pay sellers for four livestock purchases in the time period prescribed by reg’s (One of these was a $78,000+ purchase of 205 head of cattle from Diemels in Sept 2015. Three others were not Diemels) and
2) engaging in the “business of a dealer buying and selling livestock in commerce after his surety bond had been terminated” (term’ed in Jan. 2015).
The complaint requests a cease and desist order be issued to prevent further violations and seeks penalties.
AFAIK, this complaint would not/could not result in an order for Respondent to pay Diemels for his purchase (if he had not already paid). If anyone has info w link to correct this ^, pls post.
^ doc alone does not show ultimate disposition of Dept of Ag case against Respondent/dealer, who may have filed a response, and offered other evidence leading enforcement unit to request dismissal of case. Or maybe he decided not to file a response and no longer deals in livestock. Plus several other possible outcomes. I have not tried any further searches on this linked case, as it is essentially a disciplinary case against that dealer.
Also I’m not searching on ^ case because I believe the ultimate outcome is not particularly relevant to the Diemels current case and circumstances, except insofar as it indicates Diemels had experience n dealing w a no-pay or slow pay party to a contract. Diemels may have filed a civil action against this particular dealer, maybe not.
Back in the summer w my quick search, I did not find that Diemels filed civil suit against Nelson to try to collect, but could have missed it. Did anyone else do a Lexis search?
@Teleah Smith Thanks for finding ^ document and posting link. If you run across any more related docs, pls post as I think many of us would be interested in reading and discussing.
@Teleah Smith ^ what a find. Thank you. How did you come across this?
Does linked doc indicate that Diemels took this Indiana dealer to court to collect?
Short answer = No, imo.
Long answer = No, imo and why.
Linked doc was not a doc Diemels had filed in court in an action to try to collect from a debtor. The doc was a complaint the Dept of Ag enforcement unit filed in an administrative proceeding, not in court. It alleged Brian J.,(Respondent), a livestock dealer in Indiana, violated fed law & D/Ag regulations, including ---
1) failing to pay sellers for four livestock purchases in the time period prescribed by reg’s (One of these was a $78,000+ purchase of 205 head of cattle from Diemels in Sept 2015. Three others were not Diemels) and
2) engaging in the “business of a dealer buying and selling livestock in commerce after his surety bond had been terminated” (term’ed in Jan. 2015).
The complaint requests a cease and desist order be issued to prevent further violations and seeks penalties.
AFAIK, this complaint would not/could not result in an order for Respondent to pay Diemels for his purchase (if he had not already paid). If anyone has info w link to correct this ^, pls post.
^ doc alone does not show ultimate disposition of Dept of Ag case against Respondent/dealer, who may have filed a response, and offered other evidence leading enforcement unit to request dismissal of case. Or maybe he decided not to file a response and no longer deals in livestock. Plus several other possible outcomes. I have not tried any further searches on this linked case, as it is essentially a disciplinary case against that dealer.
Also I’m not searching on ^ case because I believe the ultimate outcome is not particularly relevant to the Diemels current case and circumstances, except insofar as it indicates Diemels had experience n dealing w a no-pay or slow pay party to a contract. Diemels may have filed a civil action against this particular dealer, maybe not.
Back in the summer w my quick search, I did not find that Diemels filed civil suit against Nelson to try to collect, but could have missed it. Did anyone else do a Lexis search?
@Teleah Smith Thanks for finding ^ document and posting link. If you run across any more related docs, pls post as I think many of us would be interested in reading and discussing.
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Diemels. Foster. Communications?
Yes, does seem strange that N. Diemel would share so much info & specifics about Nelson.
But seems from those TV stn interviews and MSM print in early Aug, that Foster was vocal & insistent w his local LE. Something like 10-12 calls to sheriff's office. Were those calls only after calves were dumped/delivered?
Did Foster explain how he came to know that Diemels had done biz/deals w Nelson? Anyone? TiA.
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Yes, does seem strange that N. Diemel would share so much info & specifics about Nelson. But seems from those TV stn interviews and MSM print in early Aug, that Foster was vocal & insistent w his local LE. Something like 10-12 calls to sheriff's office. Were those calls only after calves were dumped/delivered?
Did Foster explain how he came to know that Diemels had done biz/deals w Nelson? Anyone? TiA.
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Yes, I wondered that myself-- if this would have ended in recovery of the $$ that they lost or they were used as "evidence" against Jones for the Dept. of Ag. I tend to agree with you. I would assume they would have had to file a civil suit elsewhere.
I can't take credit for the "find", at one point it was posted in the 1st thread. I could not re-find that particular post, though and came across it today in a Google search under Diemels livestock.
US Dept of Ag, Packers & Stockyards Enforcement?
Too late to edit my post a couple upthread, so adding this now, w my bbm. Hoping this helps explain my opinion about that doc not being a doc filed re Diemels trying to collect in court previously from the indiana dealer.
"Packers and Stockyards Enforcement
.... monitors industry activities and conducts regulatory compliance reviews and investigations to determine whether subject persons and firms are complying with the Packers and Stockyards Act (P&S Act) and regulations....
"Administrative Actions - Legal actions taken within USDA. AMS’ FTPP files a complaint, alleging specific violations, against a firm or individual. The accused party has a right to a hearing before an administrative law judge. The parties may appeal the judge's decision to the USDA Judicial Officer. The accused party may appeal the Judicial Officer's ruling to a U.S. Appeals Court, and further to the Supreme Court of the United States...
"Penalties for violations can include:
"Suspension Listing
PSD publishes a list of suspended businesses and individuals, which we update monthly. Suspended businesses and individuals are prohibited from registering or conducting business subject to registration while the suspension is in effect (9 CFR §201.11). Failure to comply with a suspension order has resulted in additional administrative actions or court actions to enforce continuing violations and violations of a previous Secretary’s order.
"The most common reasons PSD will seek a suspension as a sanction against a registered business or individual are for failure to pay for livestock or operating while insolvent. Accordingly, when you do business with suspended businesses and individuals, you do so at your own risk.
^ Packers and Stockyards Enforcement | Agricultural Marketing Service
Too late to edit my post a couple upthread, so adding this now, w my bbm. Hoping this helps explain my opinion about that doc not being a doc filed re Diemels trying to collect in court previously from the indiana dealer.
"Packers and Stockyards Enforcement
.... monitors industry activities and conducts regulatory compliance reviews and investigations to determine whether subject persons and firms are complying with the Packers and Stockyards Act (P&S Act) and regulations....
"Administrative Actions - Legal actions taken within USDA. AMS’ FTPP files a complaint, alleging specific violations, against a firm or individual. The accused party has a right to a hearing before an administrative law judge. The parties may appeal the judge's decision to the USDA Judicial Officer. The accused party may appeal the Judicial Officer's ruling to a U.S. Appeals Court, and further to the Supreme Court of the United States...
"Penalties for violations can include:
- Cease and desist orders;
- Suspension of business operations subject to the P&S Act (only applicable to registered market agencies and dealers);
- Civil penalties up to a maximum of $32,000 per violation of the poultry trust provisions, and $11,000 per violation of the other provisions in the P&S Act and regulations; and/or
- Permanent injunctions, fines, and jail sentences for actions taken through the Justice Department."
"Suspension Listing
PSD publishes a list of suspended businesses and individuals, which we update monthly. Suspended businesses and individuals are prohibited from registering or conducting business subject to registration while the suspension is in effect (9 CFR §201.11). Failure to comply with a suspension order has resulted in additional administrative actions or court actions to enforce continuing violations and violations of a previous Secretary’s order.
"The most common reasons PSD will seek a suspension as a sanction against a registered business or individual are for failure to pay for livestock or operating while insolvent. Accordingly, when you do business with suspended businesses and individuals, you do so at your own risk.
^ Packers and Stockyards Enforcement | Agricultural Marketing Service
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I will not deny that this looks bad for TSF at this point. Please correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen any reports that definitively link this trailer to TSF. Not saying it is not likely (it is overwhelmingly so), just haven't seen that evidence produced. Just want to stay consistent on what is theory and what can be linked to evidence.
I also have not seen any report on the timeline concerning when exactly she returned from Branson and can't remember when it is reported that LE first came to the crime scene on Sunday evening. So far, she has not been named a suspect or even a person of interest in this case. That may change given this new evidence. Until then, her involvement is just conjecture.
That said, your theory seems naive to me.
If she removed the trailer before LE started searching, why did she leave the tub on the trailer to be found later? Why not dispose of the bones somewhere else and completely destroy the personal effects? This was not "going to just go away." Human remains found along with ID would bring the spotlight squarely back on her.
Why sell a trailer that you knew contained evidence and leave the evidence on it? The paper trail on this transaction would lead directly back to her as well.
So far, LE has not commented on the whereabouts of this trailer, assuming it belonged to TSF, during the time they were searching the rest of the equipment and the property. Nor have they commented on whether or not it was searched at some point.
Yes, if the evidence had been stored in a secure location that LE did not search, it could have been put on the trailer later. It still seems unlikely that TSF would have placed it on her own trailer and then sold it, knowing the evidence would be found.
We are still waiting on confirmation that this trailer belonged to TSF. We are still waiting on forensics on the bones, dirt and tub. Likely, all of it will point back to J4S farms, but we do not know that yet. We are still waiting on LE to confirm the seller of the trailer. Likely it will point back to J4S as well. We are waiting on LE to tell us if and when the trailer was searched.
We do not know, LE may not know and we may never know when the tub was placed on the trailer, where that occured, or who place it there.
It is possible that TSF sold this trailer knowing that it contained evidence that she or JN place there. It just seems unlikely.
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FBI not involved in case of two missing brothers
FBI not involved in case of two missing brothers
Justin Diemel, left, and Nick Diemel were reported missing July 21, 2019.
Clinton County Missouri Sheriff’s Department, Associated Press
An FBI spokesperson confirmed Monday that the agency isn’t involved in the case of two missing Wisconsin men, despite three-state complexity.
The brothers, Nicholas and Justin Diemel, were reported missing in July after traveling from Wisconsin to Missouri. On Monday, a Nebraska sheriff’s department announced they had found remains that may belong to one of the two brothers.
“I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation,” FBI Kansas City Branch Public Information Officer Bridget Patton said.
I found this report interesting. Don't know what the implications are, exactly, but interesting.
FBI not involved in case of two missing brothers
- By Matt Hoffmann News-Press NOW
- Nov 19, 2019 Updated 21 hrs ago
Justin Diemel, left, and Nick Diemel were reported missing July 21, 2019.
Clinton County Missouri Sheriff’s Department, Associated Press
An FBI spokesperson confirmed Monday that the agency isn’t involved in the case of two missing Wisconsin men, despite three-state complexity.
The brothers, Nicholas and Justin Diemel, were reported missing in July after traveling from Wisconsin to Missouri. On Monday, a Nebraska sheriff’s department announced they had found remains that may belong to one of the two brothers.
“I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation,” FBI Kansas City Branch Public Information Officer Bridget Patton said.
I found this report interesting. Don't know what the implications are, exactly, but interesting.
FBI. Investigating Something?
Thanks for your link. BBM.
"I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation..." per FBI.
If not involved in investigating deaths, is FBI investigating something else developed from the case?
Loans, wire fraud, drugs, forgeries on trailer titles, jay-walking, what?
@Whassup
Thanks for your link. BBM. "I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation..." per FBI.
If not involved in investigating deaths, is FBI investigating something else developed from the case?
Loans, wire fraud, drugs, forgeries on trailer titles, jay-walking, what?
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FBI. Investigating Something?
@Whassup
"I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation..." per FBI.
If not involved in investigating deaths, is FBI investigating something else developed from the case?
Loans, wire fraud, drugs, forgeries on trailer titles, jay-walking, what?
Talk about conjecture!
It hadn't occured to me to read what was not said as well as what was said.It certainly is possible that this was a carefully crafted statement that spoke directly to the murders but not some other crime. Stranger things have happened.
Still no evidence that that is the case. If it is, it could just as easily be an investigation into JN & TSF , or DF as it is into ND & JD. No need for anyone to get upset over this post because it doesn't point a finger at anyone in particular. MHO
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FBI not involved in case of two missing brothers
FBI not involved in case of two missing brothers
- By Matt Hoffmann News-Press NOW
- Nov 19, 2019 Updated 21 hrs ago
Justin Diemel, left, and Nick Diemel were reported missing July 21, 2019.
Clinton County Missouri Sheriff’s Department, Associated Press
An FBI spokesperson confirmed Monday that the agency isn’t involved in the case of two missing Wisconsin men, despite three-state complexity.
The brothers, Nicholas and Justin Diemel, were reported missing in July after traveling from Wisconsin to Missouri. On Monday, a Nebraska sheriff’s department announced they had found remains that may belong to one of the two brothers.
“I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation,” FBI Kansas City Branch Public Information Officer Bridget Patton said.
I found this report interesting. Don't know what the implications are, exactly, but interesting.
SBM:
An FBI spokesperson confirmed Monday that the agency isn’t involved in the case of two missing Wisconsin men, despite three-state complexity.
If an FBI spokesperson stated the agency isn’t involved in this case.....they aren’t involved.
If they suspected a drug cartel was involved the FBI would be on it.
IMO we can wipe the drug cartel theory off the list.
Don't want to be argumentative, just precise. The person writing the news story said the FBI was not involved. Two paragraphs later was the actual quote from an FBI spokesperson. “I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation,” FBI Kansas City Branch Public Information Officer Bridget Patton said. Does leave some wiggle room about what she is aware of, whether the death investigation is up to local LE but not other aspects of the case, and how narrowly "us" is--whether she is speaking for the whole FBI or just the Kansas City Branch.
Given the testimony on Capitol Hill recently, it pays to parse carefully how things are stated.
Seriously, the drug angle is probably a long-shot and getting longer. Maybe I have seen too many docu-dramas about "real stories of the FBI" in which misleading tactics are used to draw out the criminals.
My mind is still open to every possibility until they are definitively ruled out. We will probably all have to wait until trial to get the full story. I just hope JN doesn't take a plea deal instead of going to trial and then change his story in prison leaving us all hanging.
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Don't want to be argumentative, just precise. The person writing the news story said the FBI was not involved. Two paragraphs later was the actual quote from an FBI spokesperson. “I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation,” FBI Kansas City Branch Public Information Officer Bridget Patton said. Does leave some wiggle room about what she is aware of, whether the death investigation is up to local LE but not other aspects of the case, and how narrowly "us" is--whether she is speaking for the whole FBI or just the Kansas City Branch.
Given the testimony on Capitol Hill recently, it pays to parse carefully how things are stated.
Seriously, the drug angle is probably a long-shot and getting longer. Maybe I have seen too many docu-dramas about "real stories of the FBI" in which misleading tactics are used to draw out the criminals.
My mind is still open to every possibility until they are definitively ruled out. We will probably all have to wait until trial to get the full story. I just hope JN doesn't take a plea deal instead of going to trial and then change his story in prison leaving us all hanging.
I’m not drinking the cartel kool-aid. I respect your option however, it just doesn’t fit for me with this case.
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sbm
"I'm not aware of --" is an old favorite from the lexicon of public information officers everywhere.
"carefully crafted statement" as you mentioned is the basis for many non-answers. Easier to produce in in written responses to written questions. More difficult to produce on the spot during in-person interviews, without a chance to prepare for previously submitted questions.
"what is not said" In these & similar phrases lies the art of plausible deniability - for corporate, governmental, and political applications.
Thru employment years back, I had some lessons/experience in formulating the above.
Now back to the Diemels.
@WhassupTalk about conjecture!
It certainly is possible that this was a carefully crafted statement that spoke directly to the murders but not some other crime. Stranger things have happened....
sbm"I'm not aware of --" is an old favorite from the lexicon of public information officers everywhere.
"carefully crafted statement" as you mentioned is the basis for many non-answers. Easier to produce in in written responses to written questions. More difficult to produce on the spot during in-person interviews, without a chance to prepare for previously submitted questions.
"what is not said" In these & similar phrases lies the art of plausible deniability - for corporate, governmental, and political applications.
Thru employment years back, I had some lessons/experience in formulating the above.
Now back to the Diemels.
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I haven't been able to follow this case closely, so could someone please tell me who TSF is? TY
I haven't been able to follow this case closely, so could someone please tell me who TSF is? TY
TSF is Tomme Sue Feil the mother of Garland Joseph (Joey) Nelson who has been charged with the murders and related crimes against the Diemel brothers.
Missouri sheriff confirms it's recovered remains of both Diemel brothers
Nicholas Diemel, Justin Diemel
By KNOP |
Posted: Fri 3:25 PM, Nov 22, 2019
NORTH PLATTE, Neb. (KNOP) - The sheriff's office of Caldwell County, Missouri, can now confirm it recovered the remains of both Diemel brothers, who disappeared while visiting a farm in Missouri earlier this year.
Nicholas Diemel's remains were recovered from a farm in Caldwell County, Missouri.
The remains of Justin Diemel were found in a livestock trailer sold to a rancher in Lincoln County, Nebraska.
The confirmations were made through dental records.
This is a developing story. This report will be updated.
Here is the link. Missouri sheriff confirms it's recovered remains of both Diemel brothers
Nicholas Diemel, Justin Diemel
By KNOP |
Posted: Fri 3:25 PM, Nov 22, 2019
NORTH PLATTE, Neb. (KNOP) - The sheriff's office of Caldwell County, Missouri, can now confirm it recovered the remains of both Diemel brothers, who disappeared while visiting a farm in Missouri earlier this year.
Nicholas Diemel's remains were recovered from a farm in Caldwell County, Missouri.
The remains of Justin Diemel were found in a livestock trailer sold to a rancher in Lincoln County, Nebraska.
The confirmations were made through dental records.
This is a developing story. This report will be updated.
Here is the link. Missouri sheriff confirms it's recovered remains of both Diemel brothers
From whassup:
" Nov 22, 2019 NORTH PLATTE, Neb. (KNOP) - The sheriff's office of Caldwell County, Missouri, can now confirm it recovered the remains of both Diemel brothers, who disappeared while visiting a farm in Missouri earlier this year.
Nicholas Diemel's remains were recovered from a farm in Caldwell County, Missouri.
The remains of Justin Diemel were found in a livestock trailer sold to a rancher in Lincoln County, Nebraska.
The confirmations were made through dental records.
This is a developing story. This report will be updated.
Here is the link. Missouri sheriff confirms it's recovered remains of both Diemel brothers
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@Whassup
I'm confused. I thought Caldwell Co, MO sheriff waaay back /early Aug. recovered material ---
---sufficient for a DNA ID, as belonging to both Nicholas AND Justin and
---enough for Prob Cause that they were dead. (but no dental records).
Now linked MSM article says -
--- Nicholas' remains were found in Caldwell (ok, maybe more than earlier announced).
--- Per link, "... dental records confirmed that the body found earlier this week in a trailer in Lincoln County, Nebraska belonged to Justin..."
I thought 'tub' (of whatever kind) held only a skull & a few bones. Now it's "body"?
Regardless I'm glad that (more) remains have been recovered, and LE & prosecution continues.
" Nov 22, 2019 NORTH PLATTE, Neb. (KNOP) - The sheriff's office of Caldwell County, Missouri, can now confirm it recovered the remains of both Diemel brothers, who disappeared while visiting a farm in Missouri earlier this year.
Nicholas Diemel's remains were recovered from a farm in Caldwell County, Missouri.
The remains of Justin Diemel were found in a livestock trailer sold to a rancher in Lincoln County, Nebraska.
The confirmations were made through dental records.
This is a developing story. This report will be updated.
Here is the link. Missouri sheriff confirms it's recovered remains of both Diemel brothers
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@Whassup
I'm confused. I thought Caldwell Co, MO sheriff waaay back /early Aug. recovered material ---
---sufficient for a DNA ID, as belonging to both Nicholas AND Justin and
---enough for Prob Cause that they were dead. (but no dental records).
Now linked MSM article says -
--- Nicholas' remains were found in Caldwell (ok, maybe more than earlier announced).
--- Per link, "... dental records confirmed that the body found earlier this week in a trailer in Lincoln County, Nebraska belonged to Justin..."
I thought 'tub' (of whatever kind) held only a skull & a few bones. Now it's "body"?
Regardless I'm glad that (more) remains have been recovered, and LE & prosecution continues.
From whassup:
" Nov 22, 2019 NORTH PLATTE, Neb. (KNOP) - The sheriff's office of Caldwell County, Missouri, can now confirm it recovered the remains of both Diemel brothers, who disappeared while visiting a farm in Missouri earlier this year.
Nicholas Diemel's remains were recovered from a farm in Caldwell County, Missouri.
The remains of Justin Diemel were found in a livestock trailer sold to a rancher in Lincoln County, Nebraska.
The confirmations were made through dental records.
This is a developing story. This report will be updated.
Here is the link. Missouri sheriff confirms it's recovered remains of both Diemel brothers
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@Whassup
I'm confused. I thought Caldwell Co, MO sheriff waaay back /early Aug. recovered material ---
---sufficient for a DNA ID, as belonging to both Nicholas AND Justin and
---enough for Prob Cause that they were dead. (but no dental records).
Now linked MSM article says -
--- Nicholas' remains were found in Caldwell (ok, maybe more than earlier announced).
--- Per link, "... dental records confirmed that the body found earlier this week in a trailer in Lincoln County, Nebraska belonged to Justin..."
I thought 'tub' (of whatever kind) held only a skull & a few bones. Now it's "body"?
Regardless I'm glad that (more) remains have been recovered, and LE & prosecution continues.
Another news story more local, out of KCMO
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office: Remains found are those of 2 missing Wisconsin brothers
Garland Joey Nelson charged with two counts of first-degree murder
Updated: 6:50 PM CST Nov 22, 2019
KMBC 9 News Staff
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BRAYMER, Mo. —
Law enforcement officials in Caldwell County, Missouri, confirmed Friday that remains found at a Missouri farm and in Nebraska are those of two missing brothers from Wisconsin.
The Caldwell County Sheriff's Office said investigators found the remains of missing brothers Nick and Justin Diemel of Shawano, Wisconsin.
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"An examination of dental records confirmed both identifications," Galloway said.
Last month, Garland Joey Nelson was charged with two counts of first-degree murder, relating to missing brothers Nick and Justin Diemel. Nelson was also charged with two counts of abandonment of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence, unlawful possession of a firearm and armed criminal action.
The Lincoln County Sheriff's Office in Nebraska said it was contacted by a rancher in Hershey, who reported finding human remains in a stock trailer that he recently bought in Missouri.
"Deputies arrived and found a large plastic animal supplement tub full of dirt. The rancher advised he found the tub in the large stock trailer he just purchased. The rancher took the tub out of the trailer to spread the dirt in his driveway. Upon doing so he saw what he believed was human remains and other items in the tub," the Sheriff's Office said.
The Caldwell County Sheriff’s Office in Missouri was contacted after the remains were found.
Link Caldwell County Sheriff's Office: Remains found are those of 2 missing Wisconsin brothers
Confirms what we knew already knew about LE and MSM. LE only releases what information that is a) The least amount necessary to satisfy the public and b) What will not compromise their investigation / case. MSM has a hard time getting all of the information correct, even on local stories.
PC Affidavit said probable match on DNA for both brothers on the Braymer farm but did not mention dental records. Story from Nebraska LE said skull and jawbone. Without full LE report we cannot know for certain if there was more in Nebraska. Now it seems that we know that at least the skull of ND was on the farm and the skull 0f JD was in the tub. LE did not want public to know that they did not have all of the remains of both brothers? It is at least possible that they were burned separately and disposed of separately to reduce the amount of evidence on the farm or to confuse LE. They may have been incinerated so completely, or the burnt remains further made into smaller pieces, so that there was little left. It is also possible that there may be more remains somewhere else!
Questions
- Unless desperate because of time, why dispose of remains on your own property and in a trailer that you were going to sell and would be traced back to you?
- If the bodies were somehow ground or chopped after burning why leave the skulls so intact along with personal effects of JD so that they could be identified?
- Why not dispose of blood stained clothing and especially the spent 30-30 round?
- Is JD and/or TSF stupid or arrogant enough to think they could cover their tracks on the farm and dispose of the tub later without getting caught?
- Is JD and/or TSF cunning enough to make this look like a frame job and then plead, "Would I really do this on my own farm and think that LE wouldn't find the evidence? I've been framed!"?
- Did JN only have time to properly dispose of part of the evidence before LE arrived and TSF has tried to help in the coverup later?
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FBI not involved in case of two missing brothers
FBI not involved in case of two missing brothers
- By Matt Hoffmann News-Press NOW
- Nov 19, 2019 Updated 21 hrs ago
Justin Diemel, left, and Nick Diemel were reported missing July 21, 2019.
Clinton County Missouri Sheriff’s Department, Associated Press
An FBI spokesperson confirmed Monday that the agency isn’t involved in the case of two missing Wisconsin men, despite three-state complexity.
The brothers, Nicholas and Justin Diemel, were reported missing in July after traveling from Wisconsin to Missouri. On Monday, a Nebraska sheriff’s department announced they had found remains that may belong to one of the two brothers.
“I’m not aware of us being involved in the death investigation,” FBI Kansas City Branch Public Information Officer Bridget Patton said.
I found this report interesting. Don't know what the implications are, exactly, but interesting.
This doesn't help the nagging feeling that something doesn't add up.
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Two brothers 'shot dead by a Missouri farmer' and whose bodies were set on fire are identified | Daily Mail Online
Video and some pics.
Two brothers 'shot dead by a Missouri farmer' and whose bodies were set on fire are identified | Daily Mail Online
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