MO MO - St Louis, BlkFem 8-11, 54UFMO, in abandoned bldg, Feb'83

[kallie0236]

I really want to put this theory out there why has no ever connected Alton Coleman to this case its eerily similar he lived close enough and went on a spree in 1984, this may be his first kill.

 

[Moonwalker9]

Vernon Brown was the only suspect i ever heard of and he lived in the area. Had a similar age span and MO but he wasnt very smart and didnt take great measure to hide his victims.

Alton Coleman is an interesting suspect aswell. He killed young black girls operated in the midwest. He would often befriend their mothers to gain access to the girls, then he would rape and strange them. Think he had a much higher IQ then Brown also. His murder spree started in 1984 but he commited many rapes before that. It's possible she was an early victim but it should be easy to check since Coleman was incarcerated quite often also.

Either way i always suspected that the perp was either a family member/caretaker, hence taking great measures to hide her identity or boyfriend/acquaintance of the mom that befriended her then killed both. So its possible that she wasn't reported missing since the closest person in her life went missing too.

She was taken well cared of, not held captive or neglected fot long. She was from the south and probably she came to visit St Louis when she was killed so no one really saw her. The best way to id her is that either someone filed a missing persons report or thar some old classmate wonder what happend to that girl that just left one day and never came back again.

 

[Moonwalker9]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unresolved...ow8g/alton_coleman_and_the_st_louis_jane_doe/

"First write up so go easy on me! I've been very interested in the St. Louis Jane Doe case lately and think there may be a very strong possibility that serial killer Alton Coleman could be the perpetrator. For those of you that aren't familiar with the cases:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Coleman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Jane_Doe
Coleman and his girlfriend Deborah Brown started their infamous killing spree on May 29th, 1984. It spanned across six states (Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky, and Indiana) and ended three months later. His victim preference was young African American girls but he but he was known to kill adults as well. I definitely think he could have killed before these events, considering his criminal history.
1973: Coleman and an accomplice kidnapped and raped a 54 year old woman. Charges were later dropped.
1975: Arrested for rape, later acquitted.
1980: Arrested for attempted rape. Charges were later dropped.
1982: Became a prime suspect in the rape and strangulation death of a 15 year old girl.
1983: Accused of raping his 8 year old niece, charges were later dropped.
Coleman was not in incarcerated at the time of JD's murder. She was killed in February of 1983 and Coleman wasn't charged with raping his niece until July of 1983. What he was up to at the time of the murder is kind of vague, and I can't find any info on whether he was living in his hometown of Waukegan, Illinois or in Gary, Indiana (where he met Deborah Brown).
After the discovery of JD's body, police speculated she could've been kidnapped from Chicago or around that general area, because she did not match any missing persons cases in St. Louis. Obviously Coleman has no problems with going across state lines and killing, so there's definitely a possibility that he could have grabbed some poor impoverished girl off the streets of an inner city and killed her. He was what's known as a "disorganized killer", which means he didn't really plan or calculate his murders, but simply grabbed an opportunity if the time was right. Strangulation and asphyxiation were his preferred method of killing, and almost all of his victims were found with their hands tied behind their back. JD was also found with her arms tied behind her back and her cause of death was determined to be strangulation.

Coleman was known to dump at lease two of his known victims in abandoned homes. JD was also found in an abandoned home. Coleman preferred young African American girls, JD was a young black girl aged 8-11. The only distinctive difference between his killings and JD's murder is the beheading. His MO is kind of all over the place so I think it's possible he simply just felt like beheading somebody that day.
So what do you guys think? Feel free to point out any mistakes I made. I definitely think it's a pretty strong possibility."

 

[dotr]

http://www.wcpo.com/news/our-commun...st-alton-coleman-terrorized-tri-state-in-1984
July 7 2016

[h=1]From The Vault: Serial killer and rapist Alton Coleman terrorized Tri-State in 1984[/h]

"He has a way of getting next to people," Capt. Thomas Williams, commander of the Norwood Police Criminal Investigative Section, said at the time. "He can talk his way into the home. He meets people on the street and he can discuss religion, he can discuss politics. He's very forward, very well spoken, very calm …

"And very deadly."

In the six weeks before Coleman, 29, and his 23-year-old girlfriend, Debra Brown, knocked on the Walters' front door, the Illinois man had already raped and killed three girls under 10 and two young women from Wisconsin, Indiana and northern Ohio.

One of the girls was the daughter of a woman Coleman had befriended. One of the women he killed met Coleman through her minister. Coleman had lured her by saying he wanted to go to church with her.

 

[dotr]

Lengthy, interesting article from Dec 1 2004, snippets.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/the-case-that-haunts/Content?oid=2460475

[h=1]The Case That Haunts[/h] [h=2]The most notorious cold case in the history of the St. Louis Police Department still haunts homicide detectives[/h]

By Chad Garrison

Never a suspect, never an arrest, and never was the head found. Most of what is known of Jane Doe came within days of her discovery. She was likely between the ages of eight and eleven. She was big for her age, around four-foot-ten. Without the head, she measured just over four feet. She had been raped and then strangled. Based on the lack of blood at the crime scene, police believe she was dumped in the basement after her beheading. Mold growing from the wound on her neck indicated she was there for several days before the two men found her.

Little else is known about the girl who has become the most notorious cold case in the nearly 200-year history of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department.

In his mind, Joe Burgoon can still see the building where they found the girl. It is three stories high, brick, with the Latin word for home, Domi, inscribed in stone above the doorway. Traces of blood streak the cellar walls where the killer dragged the body into the darkness. There's no smell of death. The coolness of the basement preserved the body.

Other leads have been less conventional. Grasping for clues, Burgoon once sat in on a séance in a Maplewood home. Under dim candlelight the detective passed around photocopied fingerprints of Jane Doe to a table full of psychics. As the clairvoyants channeled the spirits, Burgoon sat in the corner and observed.

"The psychics put their hands on the fingerprints and would shoot straight up in their chairs like they got a jolt or something," remembers Burgoon. "At the end of the meeting they told me to call the Coast Guard. The head is on a boat in the Gulf of Mexico."

Perhaps the most far-fetched story surrounding the case came in 2002 when Sharon Nolte called detectives. A Kansas City insurance investigator, she was convinced Jane Doe was a Chippewa Indian named Shannon Johnson. Nolte said she also knew the killer, a drifter living in southern Texas.

She worked the case independently for seven years before contacting the police, her investigation taking her to an Indian reservation in Minnesota where she collected sample DNA from a woman she believed to be related to Jane Doe.

As with all the people who have stepped forward to help police solve the case, Carroll and Burgoon say they appreciate Nolte's efforts, but in the end her story just didn't add up.

"You don't want to play anyone cheap," says Burgoon. "In a case as tough as this one, you want to listen to what anyone has to say. What do you have to lose?"

Of the many theories homicide detectives kick around, the most common pins Jane Doe's killing on a parent or close relative. If they're serving a prison term for some other crime, police may soon know Jane Doe's identity, and possibly that of her killer.

Jane Doe's memorial is in stark contrast to the one left to a little girl in Kansas City. It was there, in 2001, that police stumbled across the headless body of a three- to five-year-old African-American girl. Immediately, detectives began looking for similarities between Jane Doe and the Kansas City victim but failed to find any link. Like Jane Doe, the Kansas City victim's identity and that of her killer remain an enigma.

Three years later, Carroll has not entirely ruled out a connection.

"Hard to believe this could happen twice in the same state and not be related," he says. "Maybe the culprit was in prison for fifteen to eighteen years for another crime and came back to do the same thing again."

 

[Moonwalker9]

The place she was found, looks very diffrent now, since the building was demolished.

https://www.google.se/maps/@38.6562...338.88522&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i13312!8i6656

Where its located on the map, You can see that its not close to any major highways or the downtown. The perp mustve been a local that knew the area well or was working in the area knowing that that particular building was abandoned and a good place to dump her. She was killed elsewhere.

https://www.google.se/maps/place/56...230f190a17c5c5!8m2!3d38.6566303!4d-90.2830702

 

[Giucy]

Only thing is, your find went missing in 1985 and this UID was located in 1983. Keep up the good work. Had not come across your find yet.

I hate bursting bubbles, but are we sure that her LKA is accurate ?

Because the date of filling report may not be the date LKA. Especially if the love ones were denied such report by LE agency (for whatever the reason).
A case of a girl, I don't remember her name, was written LKA in 2006 when actually, she was LKA in 2005. I know, much more recent, but even more in the 1980's.


Are we sure her LKA date is accurate ?

 

[KaylaraOwl]

For the case she found, it looks like the LKA is pretty solid.

 

[Giucy]

Thank you.

Because some cases were a match, but MP's LKA was wrong. Since she looked such a match, I couldn't help but wonder if LKA was correct.

 

[kallie0236]

I'm not sure any one is still intersted in this case but I recently dove into it and notice how many similarity there are to alton coleman and debra brown I mean they are carbon copies almost the only difference being the decapitation but they met this year and their spree was in six different states st.louis isnt to far off, food for thought I honestly dont know how this has never been connected there are too many similarities for me to drop it is bugging me and the further I dug the more this actually makes sense as the first murder

 

[KaylaraOwl]

Still interested. I still check for possible missing people to check against this case. And I'm still looking for the family of Kelly Staples so they can give a DNA sample. No luck yet, but I'm still trying.

 

[kallie0236]

well have you looked into alton coleman and debra brown i think there's a connection

 

[KaylaraOwl]

Got a namus update on this case. It said the following: The following fields have been changed:
Physical / Medical : Other Distinctive Physical Characteristics Details changed from "Wearing two coats of red fingernail polish. Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. There were no scars, irregularities, deformities or other specific features that would give clues to her identity. " to "Approximate 61 - 70 lbs and 4 ft 10 inches tall. There were no scars, irregularities, deformities or other specific features that would give clues to her identity. "

Physical / Medical : Skeletal Findings Details changed from "" to "Spina Bifida Occulta to sacrum but how it manifested is unknown. The child may not have shown any outward symptoms. "

Physical / Medical : Finger and Toe Nails Details changed from "" to "Wearing two coats of red fingernail polish. "

Physical / Medical : Skeletal Findings changed from "Unchecked" to "Checked"

Physical / Medical : Finger and Toe Nails changed from "Unchecked" to "Checked"

 

[KaylaraOwl]

Also rule outs as of March 3, 2018:

Sharaun Cole
Telethia Good
Shaunda Green
Toya Hill
Sherise Magee
Northampton Co, No Carolina Jane Doe
Sheila Quinn
Newton County (IN) Jane Doe UP #6107

 

[CarlK90245]

Early last month, I attended Karen T Taylor's workshop on Drawing to Depict the Deceased for Identification in San Marcos, Texas. One of the students there was Thom Shaw - the artist who works for Parabon NanoLabs, and who produces the Snapshot DNA Phenotyping facial composites. I suggested to him that this case would be an ideal candidate for the work that they do.

He indicated that his company has been interested in trying to get business in the state of Missouri. He said that there are a couple of organizations that provide grants for cold case investigations, and he said that St. Louis has a much better shot at receiving a grant due to it's population and crime rates.

So last Thursday, I contacted Detective Dan Sweeney, who is in charge of this case. I gave him Thom's contact information, and suggested that he look into getting a facial composite done for this girl. From the tone of our conversation, he seemed to be very interested.

Hopefully they can get this done.

 

[Al Ka]

Early last month, I attended Karen T Taylor's workshop on Drawing to Depict the Deceased for Identification in San Marcos, Texas. One of the students there was Thom Shaw - the artist who works for Parabon NanoLabs, and who produces the Snapshot DNA Phenotyping facial composites. I suggested to him that this case would be an ideal candidate for the work that they do.

He indicated that his company has been interested in trying to get business in the state of Missouri. He said that there are a couple of organizations that provide grants for cold case investigations, and he said that St. Louis has a much better shot at receiving a grant due to it's population and crime rates.

So last Thursday, I contacted Detective Dan Sweeney, who is in charge of this case. I gave him Thom's contact information, and suggested that he look into getting a facial composite done for this girl. From the tone of our conversation, he seemed to be very interested.

Hopefully they can get this done.

That is Such a Brilliant news everybody has been waiting for. Thank you. Crossing fingers that it will pan out.

(I am also in owe of Phenotyping since it came out year or two ago. Such a endless possibilitties it can be used for. DNA phenotyping sketches seems to be quite accurate too.)

 

[Roselvr]

Early last month, I attended Karen T Taylor's workshop on Drawing to Depict the Deceased for Identification in San Marcos, Texas. One of the students there was Thom Shaw - the artist who works for Parabon NanoLabs, and who produces the Snapshot DNA Phenotyping facial composites. I suggested to him that this case would be an ideal candidate for the work that they do.

He indicated that his company has been interested in trying to get business in the state of Missouri. He said that there are a couple of organizations that provide grants for cold case investigations, and he said that St. Louis has a much better shot at receiving a grant due to it's population and crime rates.

So last Thursday, I contacted Detective Dan Sweeney, who is in charge of this case. I gave him Thom's contact information, and suggested that he look into getting a facial composite done for this girl. From the tone of our conversation, he seemed to be very interested.

Hopefully they can get this done.

Thanks for making the call Carl! As I told you, I emailed a few years ago, looking back it was 9-29-2016. I never got a reply.

I feel it may be the only thing that helps them give her a face. She deserves her name. I hope the sleaze bag that did this to her is still alive to see them release a Parabon image of her face. My hope is that similar to the Baby Hope case in NY that person will pay

I just sent an email to her ME suggesting they reach out to journalists in the new isotope areas. I also suggested they look into DNA phenotyping to possibly build her a face from her DNA. Crossing my fingers they reply!

Aurora releases DNA-generated composite of suspect in 1984 slaughter of Bennett family - Parabon specializes in DNA phenotyping. It creates images that help police identify possible suspects of unsolved crimes.

Building a Face, and a Case, on DNA

At some point the Smithsonian redid her isotope testing to get different states, I haven't had a chance to look for an article but it's on her Doe net page. They did the same thing to another Jane Doe I follow. I am clueless how it goes from South to North.

Full Anthropology exam and isotope analysis completed by NCMEC and the Smithsonian. Advanced forensic testing of her bones has also suggested that the female was not originally from the local St. Louis area but possibly spent most of her childhood in the following states: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, and West Virginia.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Ok, so I've spent the last few days going over this case after first hearing about it (still haven't read through the whole of this thread) and I unfortunately, still don't have anything worthy to add. But what an awful case, she appears well looked after and suffered no abuse so I assume someone cared for her. Then no matches to mispers. Then, I wonder if they cared enough to look after her, why not enough to report her missing. I'm guessing this was not done by her care givers, given the violent & sexual nature of it all.

How sad. As awful as it is to say, it almost makes more sense when they are abused. But what stopped these people from reporting her missing? Are they still alive?

I sure hope some kind of sketch is done. It's amazing what they can do now.

 

[Claireishere]

I’m sure it’s been asked. I’ve followed this case for awhile but could she be exhumed and have the testing done that determines what part of the country she spent time in?


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[Roselvr]

I’m sure it’s been asked. I’ve followed this case for awhile but could she be exhumed and have the testing done that determines what part of the country she spent time in?


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She's had isotopes