Motion to stop jail recordings: denied Thurdsay

[Spangle]

...and what the heck is going on in these meetings that makes them any different than other attorney/client conferences?

LOL! Yep. They made such an issue.. that something must be going on. Now we want to know.. so we request the videos to see... and then JB can claim..

I see jerking strings....

 

[whiteangora]

Doesn't this amount to some form of threat?

Judge Strickland has been very patient and cordial with this bs so far, but hopefully on Monday he will let Baez and company know who is in charge of his court room. I can't believe the gall.....

 

[LC446]

Didn't RH say at one point that all JB had to do when meeting with kc at jail was to ask for a room without video surveillance?

QB, that's exactly what I thought. I couldn't remember who said it though. For some reason I thought it was brought up in a hearing. Something to the effect that JB could request a room without video surveillance and he has not done so.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

QB, that's exactly what I thought. I couldn't remember who said it though. For some reason I thought it was brought up in a hearing. Something to the effect that JB could request a room without video surveillance and he has not done so.

That was discussed during the December 11 hearing wasn't it? I'll try and find it.

 

[QB.]

QB, that's exactly what I thought. I couldn't remember who said it though. For some reason I thought it was brought up in a hearing. Something to the effect that JB could request a room without video surveillance and he has not done so.

I have been going through the RH Q&A thread but no luck yet. Wish he would come back and answer questions for us.

 

[sleutherontheside]

13 Members viewing and 14 guests. Proof that WS has such great members and info. There are more guests here than members. Come on guests.....join us.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

That was discussed during the December 11 hearing wasn't it? I'll try and find it.

No I think I'm wrong. In the December 11 hearing, AL was arguing about the video tapes, but if I recall it was JB speaking of being offered a private room. Argh. Still looking.

 

[Sun]

Didn't RH say at one point that all JB had to do when meeting with kc at jail was to ask for a room without video surveillance?

I believe that I saw something probably from a media article that indicated that there were attorney/client meeting rooms that did not have video surveillance. However, this info didn't appear in the Response from Orange County Jail, nor did they indicate this in court. (the media does make mistakes at times)

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I believe that I saw something probably from a media article that indicated that there were attorney/client meeting rooms that did not have video surveillance. However, this info didn't appear in the Response from Orange County Jail, nor did they indicate this in court. (the media does make mistakes at times)

Gosh, I could just SWEAR I am remembering it coming out of JB's mouth himself. Sort of with a smug attitude about why they couldnt' use the rooms without video cameras and I kind of felt right then and there he was using it as an excuse for later on down the line. Oh I'm looking everywhere. Could it be in my imagination? :waitasec:

 

[LolaMoon08]

I honestly don't think that it is right that they could release the Attorney/Client videotaped visits. I 100% agree that they should be able to videotape them for safety reasons and if any kind of unexceptable behavior were to happen then it would be caught on tape and not just the word of corrections officers observing from another room.

But, again they are filing yet another motion of something that has been ruled on. JS needs to put his foot down.

 

[LambChop]

Remember way back when there were reports that JB was warned about hugging the prisoner during their meetings. He had been warned more than once, I believe. Maybe JB is in a room with a camera to make sure he obeys the rules. Not that there was anything inappropriate but the rules of the jail are very strict. To have to be warned twice I would guess is a no no. And did JS not say that this was a matter for the jail to determine not the court, or was that just about the tapes being released? Anyone else remember?

 

[hroark2112]

Searching back in my memory...the representative from the jail said there were rooms available that did not have videotaping, but the defense was "more comfortable" in the room they were using that was videotaped.

Sounds to me like they want to get what they want, without being inconvenienced.

I don't care to see the tapes without sound of KC & her lawyers talking, it's not like they even visit all that often. It just irks me that she thinks she can stomp her feet and make the system change to make her life easier. Sorry sweetie, real life doesn't work that way!!

 

[LC446]

Gosh, I could just SWEAR I am remembering it coming out of JB's mouth himself. Sort of with a smug attitude about why they couldnt' use the rooms without video cameras and I kind of felt right then and there he was using it as an excuse for later on down the line. Oh I'm looking everywhere. Could it be in my imagination? :waitasec:

I know what you mean. Since I mentioned earlier, I've also been searching and can't seem to find it either. I thought it was on the 11th so I started looking there. I remember these words, just can't remember exactly where I saw them. I thought the attorney for the jail mentioned it when arguing about the destruction/discontinuation of the attorney videos. I thought she mentioned that JB could request another room and he had not. Off to keep looking.

 

[Spangle]

from the last part:

"... Miss Anthony's attorneys may have to advise their client that the meetings cannot continue for fear of confidential information leaking to the press. Miss Anthony's counsel does not wish to give her this advice, but if they cannot meet with their client without the threat of videotapes of those meetings being distributed to the public, they will be forced to do so. The inability to meet with counsel, and its attendant ramifications, will amount to per se ineffective assistance of counsel."


What are they trying to do there...

Oh my GOSH!

Was there EVER such a threat that they themselves did not cause?

Are they going to also tell their client that it is because of them, that this is now the situation? LOL!

And they are just now worried about "ineffective assistance of counsel." Oh, boy.

Let's see. The judge said they would not be released, unless he has seen them first and decided if they could be released. And only after they have been requested.

Does anyone in their right mind SEE the judge allowing these videos to be released BEFORE trial? IF at ALL? I can only see them being allowed IF the person requesting was wanting to view them to see if there has been misconduct between the 2 parties. And only AFTER the trial. And because of some claim against JB for such conduct. And only because such conduct has been alleged (rumored) to have happened.

Basicly, I see this as an attack on the judge and his honor. And a claim that the Jail doesn't keep these copies secured.

I can honestly see the judge explaining this one in open court. That his hands are tied. He can not grant KC special privileges. Which is what this motion is requesting. IF such video becomes available, then that situation will be dealt with. The Jail has a policy of recording the meetings for the safety of everyone. And such videos to date have not been released. Unless there has been a need to, based upon events that happened in the meeting by the parties involved. So long as KC and the attys keep their hands off each other and don't attack each other, there should not be any fear of those videos ever being released. And if the KC's attys are afraid to meet with KC in such an environment, then she could request others to met with her.

So, if after telling KC that in open court, she is fully aware of the situation. The choice is hers. NO worry about being " ineffective assistance of counsel" being an excuse. Cause she now knows if that claim they shouldn't meet, they don't have a reason for not meeting her. And she will have no excuse for keeping such counsel. Cause she will KNOW they are ineffectve.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I think AL filed this motion to stop the taping of attorney visits as part of her pre-trial attempt to build a record for appeal. Just one more motion on the pile. She framed it at least in part (I admit I sort of tuned her out partway through) as a constitutional issue, claiming that knowledge of the taping and the whirring/clicking machines, etc. were chilling their ability to fully represent the defendant, feel free to talk candidly, and whine, etc. whine. I doubt she even expected the court to grant it.

Yeah, seems you were on to something here last month when you posted this, Amethyst.

 

[LambChop]

Doesn't this amount to a hissy fit? They don't like the jail rules? If they refuse to see KC can she ask for a public defender?

 

[strawberry]

What's going on? Is this some kind of appeal of Strickland's ruling? Is that why there is a hearing on the 26th in front of another judge??

 

[strawberry]

Me thinks they dost protest too much. They're making themselves look very paranoid. Considering they claim Casey is innocent and the truth will come out at trial, what should they care if they are videotaped?

 

[wonders]

Haven't read everyones thoughts yet so forgive me if this has been said.

Good Grief...So now the attorneys are unable to visit with KC becuase they will be taped. Shoot me now! How many of these tapes have we seen? None, Nada, Zilch. Now tell me who would be so stupid to leak a tape of Attorneys and clients meeting? KC is no better than anyone else in that jail. Get the He!! over it. This kind of nonsense makes me mad.

 

[BeanE]

QB, that's exactly what I thought. I couldn't remember who said it though. For some reason I thought it was brought up in a hearing. Something to the effect that JB could request a room without video surveillance and he has not done so.

I posted about that. It was the jail that issued a statement saying they could request a room without video. There was a news article on it.