MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

[southernyankee]

Agreed. And while I don't think Jessica was necessarily perfect (who is, after all?), it's possible that such wronging, betrayal, or threat was in the person's head, due to drug use, disease, etc. A small slight or threat might seem like a big thing to a disturbed person. While I think the perp might be involved in a gang- or drug-related lifestyle, I'm leaning toward this being more personal.

Yeah. For the majority of society - and everyone who's here on this forum - actually carrying out violence, arson, murder, and the like doesn't even occur to us as legitimate + realistic action on another human being, no matter who they are or as a reaction to his/her own negative behavior, real or perceived.

I feel like every other day one of us alludes to the difficulty of wrapping our heads around that kind of cruelty, but I'm grateful that something like this is so shocking because that means it's so alien to many of us a way of attempting to solve anything in life. Ugh. :-(

 

[Yvettea]

Yes. And someone hated her enough to torture and kill her. Someone felt wronged, betrayed or threatened by her. JMO

Where is this coming from, this idea of being tortured before death? We have heard conflicting reports about her being beaten, the only specifics given being that she had a big gash in her head. Her mother disputed that and no medical information was given. The manner of death was horrifying but to suggest she was tortured before being set on fire goes beyond the limited information we've received.

 

[Leischa]

Let's say that it is true that there was accelerant poured down her throat. Don't you think it could be a way to say ''You're not going to talk about anything''? If she was about to give information about one gang to, let's say, another gang, or the author for her book, or the police, it could have been some sort of symbolism, in my opinion. And if the people in the area learn about the gas down her throat, then perhaps they could identify what it meant, that it was a warning to anyone who'd be tempted to talk about their business.

The only thing that bugs me with this idea is, how were people supposed to know right away that there was accelerant there? I mean, at first, it should have been reported that the girl was put on fire but the perps sure couldn't think that the autopsy would be done right there at the crime scene.

Who first said (publicly) that there was accelerant poured down her throat? AA?

 

[Yvettea]

RSBM Who first said (publicly) that there was accelerant poured down her throat? AA?

Ben Chambers also reported this. I'll check to see if I can find reference to it in MSM.

 

[Yvettea]

Found this article on page 1 of this thread from December 7:
http://wreg.com/2014/12/07/father-speaks-out-after-daughter-set-on-fire-and-killed/

 

[MizStery]

Let's say that it is true that there was accelerant poured down her throat. Don't you think it could be a way to say ''You're not going to talk about anything''? If she was about to give information about one gang to, let's say, another gang, or the author for her book, or the police, it could have been some sort of symbolism, in my opinion. And if the people in the area learn about the gas down her throat, then perhaps they could identify what it meant, that it was a warning to anyone who'd be tempted to talk about their business.

The only thing that bugs me with this idea is, how were people supposed to know right away that there was accelerant there? I mean, at first, it should have been reported that the girl was put on fire but the perps sure couldn't think that the autopsy would be done right there at the crime scene.

Who first said (publicly) that there was accelerant poured down her throat? AA?

Early in thread #5 this was stated:
RANCH,"The fire makes the timeline tight for anyone to try & make up alibi"


You are exactly correct in asking that question.

I am "interested" in everyone who either interposed themselves into this story or comes in contact with Jessica the week pior to her murder.


In thread #4 is an exchange between myself and anonome:

Originaly Posted by anonone

Enid Lake is nowhere near Herron Road. The only reason one would use Herron is if they lived in that are​

Originally Posted by MizStery
Well,if that is true then I can think of one person quoted in the USA article that needs to explain 'why was she goin' fishing at Lake Enid and what else could she have seen(enroute to fishing at Lake Enid)driving by 'a' crime scene.MOO​

To sum it up Charlotte Wilkerson refers to Jessica and 'a' party(Ref: Timeline). Denise Tutor claims a text or call to Jessicaa few days before her murder.(Ref:Timeline) These people are all of interest to me. :moo:

 

[Dushi]

Been away, I expected this to be solved and people arrested by now
So very sad

 

[machiado]

The way I interpreted the statement was that being on fire is itself torture.

Where is this coming from, this idea of being tortured before death? We have heard conflicting reports about her being beaten, the only specifics given being that she had a big gash in her head. Her mother disputed that and no medical information was given. The manner of death was horrifying but to suggest she was tortured before being set on fire goes beyond the limited information we've received.

 

[Yvettea]

someone hated her enough to torture and kill her. Someone felt wronged, betrayed or threatened by her

This is nothing against Cady (many others have also used the word torture.) I'm directing my remarks to the statement which appears to allege a hate crime.

The way I interpreted the statement was that being on fire is itself torture.

 

[octobermoon]

BBM. With all due respect, the facts that you stated ALL happened after Jessica graduated high school. That is not in dispute.

I have a really good idea who she was: A VICTIM.

JMO

She was. No argument from me about her being a victim.

 

[FelicityLemon]

I didn't know her either but I don't discount her history, what little we know. She was raised there, these were her friends. This was her life. Who she chose to socialize with. I think she was a multifaceted human being. The good. the bad, and the in between. But to paint her as an angel who was all giving and loving ignores her true history. People don't get charged twice with assault and end up in (a DV shelter or) L'sH without a history of trouble. Sugar coating her life won't bring her justice.

My opinion.

(modsnip)

Nobody is sugar coating anything that I've seen.

We don't know the circumstances of the assault charges.Assault could have been mutual girl-fighting and both parties can be arrested and charged. We don't know. It may have been one-sided, or it she may have been defending herself - we don't know.

I give her IMMENSE CREDIT and it says volumes about her character for being able to get herself together in spite of her 1) upbringing/background/home life and 2) the lifestyle she admittedly was involved in for a couple of very short years. She cleaned up pretty damned quickly which leads me -MY OPINION HERE- that she wasn't a drug user, or if so it was marginally. It's so incredibly insidious and an easy transition to become thoroughly involved in drugs and a person who is addicted does not usually succeed the first time around.

Yes, I do go by appearances sometimes. What strikes me hugely is she doesn't look "used" like so many girls and women do when regular drug users. I've seen many 19 year olds who look like hard 30 and frankly, she could pass for 16 in her photos. Out of the dozens of photos of her I've seen two where she looks less-than-fresh, but never more than that. She may have been hung-over, who knows.

If you've read any of her writings - they are NOTHING like those of her contemporaries that are profanity laden and phonetically based idiocy all talking about nasty sex. Of the several dozen pictures of herself out there - not one that I've seen is a stupid booty picture, no duck lips, no chest thrusting... all are like I would like to see of my daughter if I had one. I've seen nothing to indicate the all encompassing self-involvement of some of her contemporaries. I'm referring to the friend base that you are referencing when you insist that 'she's no angel or lily white'.

I've had my share of party years and lots of booze and lots of coke (late 1970s early 80s) and see the difference in my own pics.

I could go on much longer on why I believe she deserves all the good things said about her because I believe them to be true. I'm fully aware of when someone dies, people tend to be vocal about the goodness and perhaps embellish, but in this case, I don't believe there is or was a need to embellish her innate "goodness" for lack of a better word.

Sheesh.

My Opinion.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Thank you bessie - I needed the reminder :facepalm:
Emotion vs brain this morning.

 

[octobermoon]

My opinion.

(modsnip)

Nobody is sugar coating anything that I've seen.

We don't know the circumstances of the assault charges.Assault could have been mutual girl-fighting and both parties can be arrested and charged. We don't know. It may have been one-sided, or it she may have been defending herself - we don't know.

I give her IMMENSE CREDIT and it says volumes about her character for being able to get herself together in spite of her 1) upbringing/background/home life and 2) the lifestyle she admittedly was involved in for a couple of very short years. She cleaned up pretty damned quickly which leads me -MY OPINION HERE- that she wasn't a drug user, or if so it was marginally. It's so incredibly insidious and an easy transition to become thoroughly involved in drugs and a person who is addicted does not usually succeed the first time around.

Yes, I do go by appearances sometimes. What strikes me hugely is she doesn't look "used" like so many girls and women do when regular drug users. I've seen many 19 year olds who look like hard 30 and frankly, she could pass for 16 in her photos. Out of the dozens of photos of her I've seen two where she looks less-than-fresh, but never more than that. She may have been hung-over, who knows.

If you've read any of her writings - they are NOTHING like those of her contemporaries that are profanity laden and phonetically based idiocy all talking about nasty sex. Of the several dozen pictures of herself out there - not one that I've seen is a stupid booty picture, no duck lips, no chest thrusting... all are like I would like to see of my daughter if I had one. I've seen nothing to indicate the all encompassing self-involvement of some of her contemporaries. I'm referring to the friend base that you are referencing when you insist that 'she's no angel or lily white'.

I've had my share of party years and lots of booze and lots of coke (late 1970s early 80s) and see the difference in my own pics.

I could go on much longer on why I believe she deserves all the good things said about her because I believe them to be true. I'm fully aware of when someone dies, people tend to be vocal about the goodness and perhaps embellish, but in this case, I don't believe there is or was a need to embellish her innate "goodness" for lack of a better word.

Sheesh.

My Opinion.

No not angry or jealous. Jessica deserves justice. But this a true crime forum. Pretending we "know" this girl was all unicorns and rainbows is silly.

BBM question..Where besides her letter to her niece have you seen her writing? Can you link that please, not a demand if you can't because of the rules here. TIA

 

[southernyankee]

BBM question..Where besides her letter to her niece have you seen her writing? Can you link that please, not a demand if you can't because of the rules here. TIA

I only recalled one other place that I saw something Jessica had written - it's here, in the guestbook for her brother at the funeral home's website, from June 2012. A bit sad but certainly heartfelt; really bittersweet given all that's happened since. http://www.wellsfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/tributes.cfm?o_id=1474869&fh_id=11662

 

[octobermoon]

I only recalled one other place that I saw something Jessica had written - it's here, in the guestbook for her brother at the funeral home's website, from June 2012. A bit sad but certainly heartfelt; really bittersweet given all that's happened since. http://www.wellsfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/tributes.cfm?o_id=1474869&fh_id=11662

TY This kid dealt with too much too soon. imo

 

[Yvettea]

BBM question..Where besides her letter to her niece have you seen her writing? Can you link that please, not a demand if you can't because of the rules here. TIA

Would like to read her writings. Haven't been able to decipher much of the photographed letter.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I didn't add more to my theory about what all JC may have endured that night because, lacking those critical autopsy reports, I couldn't begin to know. I have some ideas, but without those results, I can't say with any degree of certainty that she was beaten, raped etc. I think it is very possible she took a blow to the head, knocking her out for a period of time, but that is just speculation on the "gash" that may not have been a gash on her head.

If the story of her being choked at the gas station is true, I certainly would have to start Looking at the one who did the choking. Also, if true, I would love to know if it was a male or female.

 

[CHERIE.T]

With no accelerant on the rug beneath them?

hi ffj.
So there's no possibility the victim was sitting in her vehicle, had accelerate put on her and was lit afire within seconds? Causing her to immediately enter a survival mode that made her jump out of the vehicle?
Is there no possibility that AFTER she was set afire accelerate was then put inside the car?
Good intention meant with no snark.

tia
all moo

 

[dairydog]

Please forgive me for once again, pondering the dearth of coverage by the major networks that one would think would be all over this case. I realize that yes there may be lots of evidence and even POI's or suspects and we are just not privy to this information. Honestly, I'm not here to discuss NG as I'm well aware that folks either really like her or dislike her. I must confess (please don't hit me), that I appreciate the work she does in defending the rights of victims as well as covering many terrible cases. She did cover this case (on one program) in its infancy but there's been nothing since that time. I can't believe I did this as it's not within my normal realm but I just emailed NG to see why there is a lack of coverage. Whether I 'hear' back remains to be seen. I'm just speculating, but perhaps these major news reporters have tried to glean information but have come up empty, thus having nothing to report.

 

[SeeAlice]

Where is this coming from, this idea of being tortured before death? We have heard conflicting reports about her being beaten, the only specifics given being that she had a big gash in her head. Her mother disputed that and no medical information was given. The manner of death was horrifying but to suggest she was tortured before being set on fire goes beyond the limited information we've received.

I think we've skipped over a few steps in the process and jumped straight to motives and theories to "solve" this case. As far as I can see, there has been no evidence released that indicates any crime was committed, much less what crime(s) or by whom.

We are free to speculate until the cows come home. Seems strange to me to imagine that the most horrific possibilities are what happened to this girl. I have posted links before showing that people die in initially unexplained automobile fires more frequently than we would think. Vast majority don't turn out to be messages sent by a gang or a torture murder of the victim for revenge. Most aren't even crimes. They are from carelessness of vehicle operator or from equipment failure/damage unknown to the driver.

JMO