Nancy Grace 11/13/08

[TxLady2]

I still have 20 pages of this to read but I just had to say this:

Tim Miller has lost a child. Her bones were found in a field. He has suffered terribly from that loss and has compassion for others going through the same.

I do not believe he would make something that vulgar up about LP. I believe this is why Tim left Fla. early.
He was sickened by LP's comment and probably wanted to distance himself from him.
He also left a few behind to continue searching and to probably keep an eye on LP to make sure nothing funny was going on.

I am SO sickened by what LP said that it took my breath away when I heard it.
Poor Tim put his face in his hands.
You could see the pain he felt even saying it.

And to think that LP said this to a man whose own daughter's bones were found in a field.

"Can you imagine the cameras and you holding Caylee's skull!!!!! in your hands. Think of the money we could make."

My God!
Where is the humanity in these people? The A's, LP, Casey, Lee.
Why is everyone trying to profit off of this poor child's death?!

I had never HEARD of Tim before this case.
Then I went and read his story. Heartbreaking.
He has never tried to profit off of a missing person before. He stays in the background.
I don't think he enjoys being in the spot light. He is all about bringing peace to tortured families. He also has been doing this for many years.

On the other hand, I HAVE heard of LP before this. Many times.
He's always trying to get himself on TV.
Always trying to be "Bounty Hunter" of the year.

He saw an opportunity and interjected himself into this case from the very beginning and he's not about to let go of the cash cow.

I have great respect for Tim, and I still think he is an honorable man. With that said, here are some observations of my own:
LP did not say one bad word against Tim... not even when he was bashed by Tim and two of the attornies on NG.
Tim has mentioned on every appearance of NG's show how much money he has spent on these searches. LP has never once mentioned how much money he has spent and lost.
Tim claimed that he (TES) has spent more money on these searches for Caylee than in any case he's been on. Not true, he has been to Aruba 8 times, and spent a month there the first time searching... with no success.
And I might add... he is the one who called Dave Holloway to report that they found Natalee, and then had to eat his words when it turned out he was wrong. (This was during that last ocean search... the one that cost the owner of that boat over a million bucks.)

Now, my opinions may not count for anything, but I am puzzled by his statements, as I was puzzled when he so suddenly called off the search last weekend. A lot of people drove for many miles to help only to find out that it was cancelled by that afternoon. I don't blame people for being disillusioned, and upset with Tim. He made a lot of claims that he didn't fulfill. He aligned himself with Mr. Nejame and the Anthonys and he jumped to conclusions without knowing all the facts. And this, after LP praised him and TES many times on t.v. and was responsible for getting donations to TES through his website. And still....... LP does not badmouth him on national t.v. He took his lumps and kept his mouth shut. To me, that sounds like one was a true gentleman, and the other was not.

LP has never held himself up to be a saint, he admits his mistakes, and doesn't pull any punches. He doesn't claim to be an expert. He did not try to steal the limelight, nor did he stomp off in a huff when the media focused on someone else. And at least he didn't pull out after little more than 24 hours of searching.... he's still there, and he's got his heart in the right place.
I will still respect Tim and the work he does.... but he is not a god and not a saint, he is only a human, subject to making mistakes, just like anyone else.

 

[Boston]

I still have 20 pages of this to read but I just had to say this:

Tim Miller has lost a child. Her bones were found in a field. He has suffered terribly from that loss and has compassion for others going through the same.

I do not believe he would make something that vulgar up about LP. I believe this is why Tim left Fla. early.
He was sickened by LP's comment and probably wanted to distance himself from him.
He also left a few behind to continue searching and to probably keep an eye on LP to make sure nothing funny was going on.

I am SO sickened by what LP said that it took my breath away when I heard it.Poor Tim put his face in his hands.
You could see the pain he felt even saying it.

And to think that LP said this to a man whose own daughter's bones were found in a field.

"Can you imagine the cameras and you holding Caylee's skull!!!!! in your hands. Think of the money we could make."

My God!
Where is the humanity in these people? The A's, LP, Casey, Lee.
Why is everyone trying to profit off of this poor child's death?!
I had never HEARD of Tim before this case.
Then I went and read his story. Heartbreaking.
He has never tried to profit off of a missing person before. He stays in the background.
I don't think he enjoys being in the spot light. He is all about bringing peace to tortured families. He also has been doing this for many years.

On the other hand, I HAVE heard of LP before this. Many times.
He's always trying to get himself on TV.
Always trying to be "Bounty Hunter" of the year.

He saw an opportunity and interjected himself into this case from the very beginning and he's not about to let go of the cash cow.

Your thoughts are an echo of mine - excellent post

The remarks that Tim Miller accused LP of making are exactly the kind of thing I would expect from LP..


If you read some of LP's past quotes he has made some very insensitive remarks about Caylee & the Anthony's.The man is classless as well as clueless.

He has also managed to insult every Bounty Hunter & Bail Bondsman in Florida which is not the sign of a true professional

Tim Miller suddenly left Orlando for a reason & when you couple that with the fact that the FBI is asking LP to take a Poly then I suspect that LE has had enough of Leonard & his 3 ring circus


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[suzet]

I still have 20 pages of this to read but I just had to say this:

Tim Miller has lost a child. Her bones were found in a field. He has suffered terribly from that loss and has compassion for others going through the same.

I do not believe he would make something that vulgar up about LP. I believe this is why Tim left Fla. early.
He was sickened by LP's comment and probably wanted to distance himself from him.
He also left a few behind to continue searching and to probably keep an eye on LP to make sure nothing funny was going on.

I am SO sickened by what LP said that it took my breath away when I heard it.
Poor Tim put his face in his hands.
You could see the pain he felt even saying it.

And to think that LP said this to a man whose own daughter's bones were found in a field.

"Can you imagine the cameras and you holding Caylee's skull!!!!! in your hands. Think of the money we could make."

My God!
Where is the humanity in these people? The A's, LP, Casey, Lee.
Why is everyone trying to profit off of this poor child's death?!

I had never HEARD of Tim before this case.
Then I went and read his story. Heartbreaking.
He has never tried to profit off of a missing person before. He stays in the background.
I don't think he enjoys being in the spot light. He is all about bringing peace to tortured families. He also has been doing this for many years.

On the other hand, I HAVE heard of LP before this. Many times.
He's always trying to get himself on TV.
Always trying to be "Bounty Hunter" of the year.

He saw an opportunity and interjected himself into this case from the very beginning and he's not about to let go of the cash cow.

:clap::clap::clap:

Great post! I totally agree. I believe LP did say,
"Can you imagine the cameras and you holding Caylee's skull!!! in your hands. Think of the money we could make" and I am totally repulsed.

I have been watching this case since Day 1. The comment Tim said LP made left me thinking I want no part of keeping track of this case anymore. I don't know if I even want to watch Nancy Grace anymore and I used to like her. After the way she treated Tim last night, and in the past, and the way she just glossed over what Tim revealed about LP's sick comment, I lost my respect for her.

Tim has one goal in mind. To find Caylee. His is disgusted by all those who have interjected themselves into this case to make money off of her death.

I think Tim feels his dealings with LP are like shaking hands with Potter. And just like George Bailey, Tim wants nothing to do with it. Watching this whole case from the beginning, Tim seems to be one of the very few who really is only out to find Caylee, just as he continues to look for Natalee and the others. I have the utmost respect for Tim and his wonderful organization. :clap:

 

[Boston]

PADILLA: That they didn’t do it. They don’t want to — we used to have a hog when I was a kid, and she wouldn’t eat but she wouldn’t let the piglets eat, either.
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PADILLA: No, I`m not gloating. I hope they`ve learned and the next time there`s a bond of this nature, they step up like bondsman, like real bail agents, instead of a bunch of thugs and work that out and put it together. All they were acting like was a bunch of jealous people
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PADILLA: No, no, no. I`m saying that he has to -- him and Robert Sable -- Robert sable is the vice president of the company in Texas. He -- Robert Sable has to deal with the Department of Insurance and say, look, we`re allowed to do business, we`re allowed to do interstate business, why are these jerks in Miami throwing sand in the gears
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PADILLA:You know, in spite of what that idiot Bo Dietl up in New York claims, I have no intentions of talking to her or taking her and a six-pack of beer to a motel. Let her be with her family for a few days
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GRACE: So Leonard Padilla, are you telling me that the brother Lee Anthony is backtracking and changing his story to protect his sister?

PADILLA: I think he`s backtracking to protect himself more than his sister because his involvement goes all of the way back to July 3rd--

PADILLA: I`m not as sick as some of these other people that want to find her dead.
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PADILLA: They’re just jealous.
VAN SUSTEREN: What are they jealous about?
PADILLA: They’re jealous.
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PADILLA: Absolutely not. If it wasn`t for me the media would have forgotten about it.
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PADILLA: So there had to be somebody giving her a hand at that time because if you`re dealing with a body in a garbage bag, it`s, like -- you know, it`s an awful thing to say, but if you talk to a coroner or somebody that`s handled cadavers, they`ll tell you it`s like having 30 pounds of stew in a garbage bag
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PADILLA: Lee Anthony is Caylee's father.
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SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE GENTLEMAN.....??????????

 

[rookie]

Your thoughts are an echo of mine - excellent post

The remarks that Tim Miller accused LP of making are exactly the kind of thing I would expect from LP..


If you read some of LP's past quotes he has made some very insensitive remarks about Caylee & the Anthony's.The man is classless as well as clueless.

He has also managed to insult every Bounty Hunter & Bail Bondsman in Florida which isn't the sign of a true professional

Tim Miller suddenly left Orlando for a reason & when you couple that with the fact that the FBI is asking LP to take a Poly then I suspect that LE has had enough of Leonard & his 3 ring circus


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BOLDED BY BOSTON

Why Thank-You!
I read your earlier remarks and agreed with all of them.
We think alike.

I have thought the same thing concerning his remarks about the Anthony family.
I don't for 1 minute believe that Casey isn't 100% responsible for Caylee's demise, but to say on national television that she has an ugly, little mind is unprofessional and improper.

And I don't like the way George & Cindy have handled things but I have deep compassion for the 2 of them for the suffering that they are enduring.
We are watching a family losing their minds.

The minute I heard Tim was pulling out early I knew it had something to do with LP.
After hearing that remark that Tim obviously did not want to say on air and seeing LP laughing, I knew it was true.
Sickeningly so.

 

[Boston]

Leonard hasn't had any problem insulting people in the past so maybe he didn't respond to Tim Millers accusation because he knew that Tim was right.

IMO
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Bounty hunter- captures fugitives for a monetary reward

 

[rookie]

:clap::clap::clap:

Great post! I totally agree. I believe LP did say,
"Can you imagine the cameras and you holding Caylee's skull!!! in your hands. Think of the money we could make" and I am totally repulsed.

I have been watching this case since Day 1. The comment Tim said LP made left me thinking I want no part of keeping track of this case anymore. I don't know if I even want to watch Nancy Grace anymore and I used to like her. After the way she treated Tim last night, and in the past, and the way she just glossed over what Tim revealed about LP's sick comment, I lost my respect for her. :clap:

I feel the same way.
If I wasn't sucked so deeply into this case I would quit watching altogether.
But I HAVE to know what happens.

Nancy is so rude to people i'm amazed everyday that people continue to go on her show.
And yes, she shouldn't have let that comment go by.
She jumps all over other people for much less than that.

If Caylee wan't in Fla. I would think that someone would find her eventually.
Either out hunting, building new homes, etc.
But I think in Fla. you do have the added factor of alligators and i'm sure many people in Fla. know that if you don't want someone found, they are an added bonus.

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED: "... Tim Miller suddenly left Orlando for a reason & when you couple that with the fact that the FBI is asking LP to take a Poly then I suspect that LE has had enough of Leonard & his 3 ring circus..."

LP's search of the waters at BP are going forward...so am I the only one on this board who realizes that LP still has a green light to do so, regardless of what transpired yesterday?

LP's search permits were not, I repeat, not yanked by the park authority - and you can bet your bottom dollar that if something hadn't been right in the state of Denmark after yesterday that he wouldn't be searching again today.

Like LP or not, he's still the ONLY one out there doing the dirty work with his team.

 

[MsMacGyver]

Hi all..I watched NG twice last nite and both times I heard a woman reporter stating that a piece of plastic bag was discovered in the trunk of KC's car. This came as a shock to me because I don't recall it being listed as to the items found. Did anyone else hear this, did I miss a report along the way? Seems to me if it's true that would be very important.
Also, this is just my opinion but I think the reason TM left was because of LP statement sunday about wanting divers to go to BP. Considering how important it is for TM to be respectful of the family of missing persons I can see why he wouldn't want to be around when LP started his own search. I don't agree with any search being filmed as it is happening. TM and LP are two very different men working from two very different bases and I don't think it's fair to throw either one under the bus. They both have the same goal..just different ways of approaching the situation..

 

[rookie]

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PADILLA: So there had to be somebody giving her a hand at that time because if you`re dealing with a body in a garbage bag, it`s, like -- you know, it`s an awful thing to say, but if you talk to a coroner or somebody that`s handled cadavers, they`ll tell you it`s like having 30 pounds of stew in a garbage bag
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PADILLA: Lee Anthony is Caylee's father.
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SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE GENTLEMAN.....??????????

OMG I remember the stew one and cringed when I heard it.
How cold to say something like that about someone's 2 yr. old grandaughter.

And the comment about Lee being Caylee's father.
I can't believe ANYone bought that one.
In this day and age with all the "opportunities" out there for young people, I don't buy a brother & sister having that kind of a relationship.

 

[Chezhire]

:clap:

:SNIPPED: "... Didn't an ex-FBI guy say "If LP tells you something, you can take it to the bank." (I haven't heard ex-FBI say that about TM). So this tells me that LP has been reliable in the past. Plus, LP said, "sure, I'll take the test, set it up" when asked by LE if he would undergo an FBI polygraph...."

Yes, Dots, and it was Mr. Joe Trimarco, live on the Nancy G show 10/6.

Go here for discussion:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2802403#post2802403
That Nancy G show was taped and can be heard/seen by contacting PattyG, our lovely mod!

 

[MarleneM]

My take on TM & LP going back-and-forth on NG last night was, in a word, "unprofessional". Just as any two leaders of separate nations or major corporations must smile together for the cameras as they sign a major merger or agreement, TM & LP should acknowledge that they are ultimately on a joint venture to find baby Caylee. All the petty details should not be expressed to the public because the focus will only be on the drama of the the dissention between TES and LP's team.

I shook my head in embarrassment for them as TM kept throwing accusations at LP on NG. Yes, TM may be speaking the truth, or maybe LP had some great come-back's - doesn't matter.... You don't undermine the PURPOSE of a mission by drawing the public's opinion to the personal matters rather than to the issue at hand.

 

[piratemom]

Can anyone repeat LP timeline he gave at the close of the show????

S/t about the 16th died, 18th she was packaged and 25th dumped???

 

[LaLaw2000]

I watched the show last night and am upset by what I heard of the exchange involving TM and LP. I am upset with Nancy Grace because she did not handle it very well.

I have tremendous respect for TES and Tim Miller. Most of his searches are without press or media coverage on the national level. TM does not care if it is in the press or not - he is doing what he believes in and has been very successful at it. It really is disappointing that some people who were so supportive of TM is so against him now. That is one of the reasons I am not posting much.

IF Padilla wanted to do this search for the right reasons, he could have done it differently. He could have roped off the area where the divers were going in and out of the water and kept the public at a safe distance. He could have waited to announce the finding of anything until the proper authorities had been called. But he made statements before the OCSO got there. This should not have been done, IMO. Padilla is, as he stated himself, a media .

Now I am giving myself a time out because I cannot bear all of the back and forth that is going on. LP is a bounty hunter. TM is a professional search and rescue person and I have great regard for him.

JMO

 

[cyberborg]

My take on TM & LP going back-and-forth on NG last night was, in a word, "unprofessional". Just as any two leaders of separate nations or major corporations must smile together for the cameras as they sign a major merger or agreement, TM & LP should acknowledge that they are ultimately on a joint venture to find baby Caylee. All the petty details should not be expressed to the public because the focus will only be on the drama of the the dissention between TES and LP's team.

I shook my head in embarrassment for them as TM kept throwing accusations at LP on NG. Yes, TM may be speaking the truth, or maybe LP had some great come-back's - doesn't matter.... You don't undermine the PURPOSE of a mission by drawing the public's opinion to the personal matters rather than to the issue at hand.

:clap::clap: ITA! :clap::clap:

I should imagine that if LP said what it is alleged to TM then TM was horrified given his life experiences (found actual remains before). It was a horrible horrible horrible thing to say, if true. These were once beautiful loved people, LP de-humanized them.

Having said that -- was it right for TM to share this on national TV? No!! They should address their personal differences personally. TM should rise above it and have nothing to do with LP, not speak out like this else he becomes just as bad.

To me this is a classic case of them both becoming as bad as each other and, as a parent I would bang both their heads together and say, quit it. Childish tit for tat regardless of severely bad taste. Suck it up.

How did/does this help Caylee? -- it just hurts future searches and focus on what really matters.

History will judge the players.

 

[rookie]

I watched the show last night and am upset by what I heard of the exchange involving TM and LP. I am upset with Nancy Grace because she did not handle it very well.

I have tremendous respect for TES and Tim Miller. Most of his searches are without press or media coverage on the national level. TM does not care if it is in the press or not - he is doing what he believes in and has been very successful at it. It really is disappointing that some people who were so supportive of TM is so against him now. That is one of the reasons I am not posting much.

IF Padilla wanted to do this search for the right reasons, he could have done it differently. He could have roped off the area where the divers were going in and out of the water and kept the public at a safe distance. He could have waited to announce the finding of anything until the proper authorities had been called. But he made statements before the OCSO got there. This should not have been done, IMO. Padilla is, as he stated himself, a media .

Now I am giving myself a time out because I cannot bear all of the back and forth that is going on. LP is a bounty hunter. TM is a professional search and rescue person and I have great regard for him.

JMO

Very good post.

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

Can anyone repeat LP timeline he gave at the close of the show????

S/t about the 16th died, 18th she was packaged and 25th dumped???

I asked the same thing, he said something about the bag leaking. Which did not add up to me?:waitasec:

 

[JMCDAD]

my 2 cents is
I have alot of respect for TES and TM

whatever LP motives are be they selfish or really centered on Caylee, who knows but at least he is looking

For example isn't that why families raise and post reward money
or in other words, there may be people looking for Caylee or other missing people just for the reward money, but the end result that you want is information about the whereabouts.

goodhearted we hope, but information is what you are looking for

 

[st. crispian]

I have great respect for Tim, and I still think he is an honorable man. With that said, here are some observations of my own:
LP did not say one bad word against Tim... not even when he was bashed by Tim and two of the attornies on NG.
Tim has mentioned on every appearance of NG's show how much money he has spent on these searches. LP has never once mentioned how much money he has spent and lost.
Tim claimed that he (TES) has spent more money on these searches for Caylee than in any case he's been on. Not true, he has been to Aruba 8 times, and spent a month there the first time searching... with no success.
And I might add... he is the one who called Dave Holloway to report that they found Natalee, and then had to eat his words when it turned out he was wrong. (This was during that last ocean search... the one that cost the owner of that boat over a million bucks.)

Now, my opinions may not count for anything, but I am puzzled by his statements, as I was puzzled when he so suddenly called off the search last weekend. A lot of people drove for many miles to help only to find out that it was cancelled by that afternoon. I don't blame people for being disillusioned, and upset with Tim. He made a lot of claims that he didn't fulfill. He aligned himself with Mr. Nejame and the Anthonys and he jumped to conclusions without knowing all the facts. And this, after LP praised him and TES many times on t.v. and was responsible for getting donations to TES through his website. And still....... LP does not badmouth him on national t.v. He took his lumps and kept his mouth shut. To me, that sounds like one was a true gentleman, and the other was not.

LP has never held himself up to be a saint, he admits his mistakes, and doesn't pull any punches. He doesn't claim to be an expert. He did not try to steal the limelight, nor did he stomp off in a huff when the media focused on someone else. And at least he didn't pull out after little more than 24 hours of searching.... he's still there, and he's got his heart in the right place.
I will still respect Tim and the work he does.... but he is not a god and not a saint, he is only a human, subject to making mistakes, just like anyone else.

I SOOOOOOO agree with everything you've said. How TM got elevated to god-like status is beyond me. I have nothing against him - I just don't think he's a god. Yes he has suffered a tragic loss - haven't we all?

Tim comes across as such a sad sack. The way he was theatrically placing his head in his hands, covering his eyes, covering his mouth, shaking his head, etc. when Leonard was speaking just annoyed the h*** out of me. I think he plays up the poor, downtrodden, tragic figure to gain sympathy and evidentally quite a following.

He does these searches with money from contributions. He's not using his own money. TM is a travelling searcher who finances his travelling and searching using other people's money. That's all he is when you get right down to it.

This post will probably get me banned, and as always it's just MOO.

 

[beaglebrd]

Tim comes across as such a sad sack. The way he was theatrically placing his head in his hands, covering his eyes, covering his mouth, shaking his head, etc. when Leonard was speaking just annoyed the h*** out of me. I think he plays up the poor, downtrodden, tragic figure to gain sympathy and evidentally quite a following.

He does these searches with money from contributions. He's not using his own money. TM is a travelling searcher who finances his travelling and searching using other people's money. That's all he is when you get right down to it.

This post will probably get me banned, and as always it's just MOO.

I just don't understand why he keeps going on the talk shows if he doesn't want to. Didn't he say a few days ago he would not go back on NG? And then last night he's there talking about Lenny and doing all the things you mentioned.