Nancy Grace: 2009.08.31

[Muffet]

Even if I thought that were a reasonable strategy, I'm left to face the fact that Ron has gone beyond merely keeping the key - like gratuitously pointing fingers at other people, for one example.

 

[DotsEyes]

Well, I am filling my moat with gators and pulling up the bridges, but I am gonna say it anyway, RC is a hansdome young man. That said, I still haven't changed my mind about him and know that he didn't have anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. I think if you would ask him, he would be able to point to 3 people whom he knows are 100% innocent, GGM, TN and himself and everyone else is more or less a suspect. He answered everything very well tonight. I think it would be preposterous for him to all of a sudden suspect MC because of TM's tests. TM isn't LE. He isn't an investigator in this case, he is a search organizer who depends on donations. As far as RC knows from LE - the real investigators - MC is not a suspect. RC explains that he talked to a polygrapher who told him that polygraphs do not give percentages.

LE has never said she failed a polygraph. Ever.

I never heard on any of TM's tapes (please direct me to the right one, if you can) anything about a party or maybe 3-4 people there, or a dream about 3-4 people there. What I heard was MC say that she had 4 people that she was suspicious of, the mother's family - then she said no, 3 people, and my brother and my cousin. When under hypnosis, she is asked if she had a dream before she woke up that morning (2/10)and she said she didn't have a dream. She thought maybe the hypnosis was to help her remember what she saw when she was asleep. (shows no understanding of hypnosis - like the majority of people). But as far as a party and 3 or 4 people being there, I never heard her say it. I read that one of the examiners had that opinion, based on the answers, but not that it came from MC.

For Pity's Sake: Can this man do nothing right? He puts on a shirt and tie, dresses up a bit for the interview and gets pummeled for doing so. Why? I mean really, you wouldn't? RC is stoic. We used to consider that an honorable trait. He is a 25 year old kid whose entire life has been scrutinized, all faults laid bare and he still comes on TV and says "please help me find my daughter, if you have any information call the tip line or the PCSO." But, he dressed like a man so well, something's wrong. I don't get it.

I wouldn't take TM's team's words as Gospel on the guilt or innocence of my spouse either. Would you?

Now, the one thing this whole mess did accomplish was to re-energize the public about Haleigh being missing and it will help bring out the volunteer searchers if and when TES returns. And donations to TES, which is a good thing.

 

[PorcineGranny]

I openly admit I am pro CS but I don't post and repost and repost how I see her and her actions and how she cannot possibly be guilty of anything. I wish Haleigh had never been taken. I wish RC had a wonderful life with a loving wife. I wish CS had her children and they were happy and safe. I wish for all the good things for everyone. But, I also have to be able to make decisions and form opinions for my own safety in life. I wish most of all for JUSTICE. And I think most on this board feel the same way. JMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

Not being mean or anything, but RC could kick her to the curb, the FBI & LE could watch MC, maybe she would land in jail with her kicking it buddies. So to me, RC keeping her close does not compute. MC would have to be under lock and key not to have a chance to run.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to say...I thought it was brave of RC coming on NG. I'm sure he knew Nancy wasn't going to go easy on him...and still his attorney allowed him to do the interview. I don't see it as an attempt to deflect...probably because there is something very telling about "failing miserably" on a LD test. What I did see on that man's face was utter despair. In the past, I have thought he looked icy cold...even downright shifty. But, that's not what I saw tonight. I'm beginning to see a man slowly coming to the realization that all is not what it appears to be. JMHO...

I agree. It is exactly what I saw coming from him tonight.

 

[Busylady]

Apparently by responses I need to clarify one thing, as it seems people are picking and choosing certain words of my post to focus on. I never said Tim Miller was a bad man, a liar, or did not do wonderful work. I simply said I have to question how he handled this entire thing. Having cameras, a writer, then releasing these videos to the public when we would not of had a clue these test were even done had he not released them - so I don't buy he was protecting his name - makes me question his reasoning on handling the situation.

 

[static]

I also have a tendency to believe that Ron is keeping his cool about Misty so that if he does find out she has anything to do with it, he will kill her himself. If she catches wind that he is angry at her or doesn't believe her, she will run...that is the last thing Ron wants...someone posted earlier, "Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer..."

 

[Pondering Mind]

*Snipped*


~Misty is the Key~

That is the MANTRA around here. We have heard it OVER & OVER for six months. Misty is the key!

Does anyone here think that Ron and the Cummings family have not heard LE say that?

Did it every occur to anyone that if Ron were to divorce Misty that he would be letting go of the "key" to finding his missing daughter? The LINK to finding his baby girl (per LE)? That if he divorces her she will probably bolt and move to Michigan, or wherever she may go - Canada with Padilla rolleyes and he will lose any possible chance of getting any information she MAY have - whether it is conscious or somewhere locked in her brain.

Misty is the KEY - remember? Would any of YOU throw away the KEY to finding YOUR missing child?

atherella..Misty is the key and Ron is the lock IMO. If Misty were to go away forever with LP, it is my belief that Ron knows all there is to know about HaLeighs disappearance..He's just never going to talk and Misty may.

Not directed at anyone in particular...but before I'm chastised for my belief that Ron is not as pure as the driven snow, Please let me say that I believe that I have a right to that opinion, just as others have a right to believe that he is.

 

[mkay882]

Did Nancy ask Ron why he married Misty?

 

[Gracenote]

It's just that more and more frequently now I get a sick, scared feeling that Haleigh is dead, she's dead and is concealed somewhere unholy, no dignity, no love as she was laid to rest, and when I feel like that I really don't care about any of the adults involved. Ron, Misty, Crystal, Marie, Tommy or Theresa can take care of themselves and speak for themselves. Haleigh is just a little girl. Why are so many people concerned about themselves and not about her?

 

[Muffet]

I don't think they are being rationalized away. I think some of us took what was initially said in the media and were shocked and responded. Then took the time to review the actual tapes and realized the tapes did not reflect what was being protrayed in the media at all. In addition to researching who was present and who conducted these test. Which allowed some to make a more informed opinion with the additional information.

I also looked deeper, and I think we're all more informed. The only thing that relaxed in my convictions was the maliciousness of Misty. I did give credit where I thought it was due. But I saw nothing that could come even close to being justification for trusting Misty and Ron over Tim Miller.

As for the person(s) doing the test, maybe there is something you have learned and not shared? Are you also convinced that these weaknesses extend to the men from FBI and LE who tested her and said what they gleaned from the evidence and the tests were consistent with Tim's?

Can you understand why for some of us, it's a red flag when so many people have to be made wrong to make it possible to pass Misty and Ron as right?

 

[Lexington]

Did Nancy ask Ron why he married Misty?

No she didn't.

 

[Busylady]

Pondering I totally respect your opinion because of the way you present it. You are always respectful of other peoples opinions even if they differ from yours. You are willing to try and understand why others have different opinions. You are always willing to discuss the facts of the case, even though the end result may be different conclusions.

RC definitely is not pure as driven snow IMO. My prayer is that Haleigh is reunited with her family and that her disappearance was a wake up call to everyone and that they can make changes in their lives and be better parents to both Haleigh and Jr.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, people will see what they want to see. No one wants him strung up....good grief. It's is that we see it differently.....my God, it's not personal. It's about finding out what happened to Haleigh. If we wake up tomorrow and this case is solved, and Ron and Misty had nothing to do with it great!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not going to take it personally.............but to compare posters with different beliefs to vigilantes.......man that's just too much.
I mean it's a sad day.

Are we reading the same posts?!

Ronald has been trashed beyond belief just in the past 24 hours alone. The vengeance and the anger has spilled over for some into what I could consider to be a written lynching of this man who only wants to find his daughter. Do I need to go back on all the threads and make a list of the things I have read tonight? It has been extremely ugly, imo.

 

[Brwnigirl]

Well I haven't followed the case lately but watched Ron tonight..he sure looks beaten down and stressed. I wonder what he said to Misty after this show...

 

[Kat]

I'm going to bed now. :seeya:

Here is something I am going to ponder. It's about the night Haleigh disappeared.

RC says that the bed wasn't slept in (did we ever get that in print?)

LVA tells us that MC lied about washing Haleigh's blanket. (MC's beach blanket bingo never made any sense IMHO.)

LVA tells us that her story that she woke up and started freaking out was a false.(bed not made(?) was she already awake?)

LVA tells us that her story about searching in the house before calling RC was false.

This gal gives me a headache, no lie about that.

 

[Busylady]

Tim worked with this man in Aruba and it was a huge huge mess, there is quite a bit of questionable info about him on the web. I do not have much faith in what this persons opinion of the test results are. I never stated I trusted RC and Misty over TM, I said I have to question the way Tim handled this.

FBI and LE have not confirmed Mistys test results one way or the other. I have faith in FBI and LE testing ability. I have also never stated Misty did not flunk the lie detector test. I am simply stating that I do not believe RC is involved in Haleighs disappearance. I don't believe Misty is directly involved in Haleighs disappearance either, but I feel like she does have some info that would help find Haleigh.

I also looked deeper, and I think we're all more informed. The only thing that relaxed in my convictions was the maliciousness of Misty. I did give credit where I thought it was due. But I saw nothing that could come even close to being justification for trusting Misty and Ron over Tim Miller.

As for the person(s) doing the test, maybe there is something you have learned and not shared? Are you also convinced that these weaknesses extend to the men from FBI and LE who tested her and said what they gleaned from the evidence and the tests were consistent with Tim's?

Can you understand why for some of us, it's a red flag when so many people have to be made wrong to make it possible to pass Misty and Ron as right?

 

[Muffet]

I'm going walkabout to clear my achin head before I say more than I should.

All I needed to know was that Tim Miller said Misty and Ron are lying about what happened in their attempts to throw him under the bus to deflect criticism of themselves. I would never say I needed to be there to know which side is lying, I don't even think Klass would, and I hope Mr Miller finds comfort in the fact that not many at WS would, either.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Apparently by responses I need to clarify one thing, as it seems people are picking and choosing certain words of my post to focus on. I never said Tim Miller was a bad man, a liar, or did not do wonderful work. I simply said I have to question how he handled this entire thing. Having cameras, a writer, then releasing these videos to the public when we would not of had a clue these test were even done had he not released them - so I don't buy he was protecting his name - makes me question his reasoning on handling the situation.

Busy...I think this is truly a simple matter. Either we believe Ron and Misty are lying or Tim Miller is lying.

In looking at what I know albeit only be reputation....I'm personally gonna believe Tim Miller. JMO

 

[badme102]

Busy...I think this is truly a simple matter. Either we believe Ron and Misty are lying or Tim Miller is lying.

In looking at what I know albeit only be reputation....I'm personally gonna believe Tim Miller. JMO

Yup. No gray area there at all. It's black and white. No brainer.
Tim has nothing to gain by lying about any of it. Ron and Misty do. Easy Peasy.