• #23,461
If the backpack is truly from Walmart, that would be something. How many times have we seen footage of criminals buying their gear at Walmart?
I buy their stuff. I recently bought a cross body water bottle holder for about the same price.

The backpack looks good enough for casual use, which is quite a few people. (Beach goers, hikers etc) Probably not durable enough for serious backwoods campers.

He may have purchased the backpack just for this specific purpose.
 
  • #23,462
Also, where is the footage of Nancy arriving to her home from earlier in the evening???
I’ve been wondering that same thing for a while.
 
  • #23,463
Well, if I may put on my bad guy hat for a second. I'd still rather have $6m sitting in a crypto wallet than not. Laundering it slowly over the course of your life is doable and won't raise any flags if you are okay with doing it in small chunks. You won't be living in a mansion or driving a lambo next week, but you won't ever need to work again.
Also, IMO, even if the perp doesn't have a good plan for cashing it out, I don't think this definitively means it's not real. I am sure there have been criminals who have used bitcoin without a complete understanding of how to launder it. Being bad at cryptocurrency does not immediately imply hoax to me, IMHO.
 
  • #23,464
That's how it looks to me, too. I am baffled by his approach to the camera. The plant, the lack of having some duct tape, but mostly when he covered it he used the side of his hand.

I've tried it myself, as if I was going to cover the camera and it's a very unnatural movement. You naturally want to use the palm of your hand. The way he did that was so awkward. I'm sure it means nothing but it's just bugging me as I can't even come up with a theory why he wouldn't cover palm first.
Bear with me on this…

I am in a habit now of not using the actual “pads” of my fingers to touch communal buttons because of germs and behaviors learned during COVID times. Instead, I’ll use a knuckle to hit an elevator button or whatever it is.

The way this looks to me is like the person is absentmindedly going to hit the doorbell with the side of their hand like they maybe are accustomed to doing and then the lightbulb clicked that the doorbell is also a camera recording what he’s doing… and he basically short-circuited for a minute while trying to walk through the next steps. And lantana is what they came up with…

JMO
 
  • #23,465
LE said the original timeline is she went in through the garage when her SIL dropped her off. The garage entry is out of the camera line.
Seems very convenient.
 
  • #23,466
Yes to inexpensive but Ozark Trail gear isn’t particularly high quality or technical. So doesn’t scream someone experienced with particularly complex stealth missions, but may indicate something you’d be willing to toss in the first dumpster you see after fleeing.


Yes, to further expand, the entire get up he had was cheap and thrown-together.

Mismatched pistol holster, looked like $5 bin special or yard sale. Ozark Trail gear is cheap Wal Mart stuff, disposable, not dependable. People who use real gear invest in it. I use custom kydex holsters and have Camelbak and Maxpendition packs, cause I rely on their quality, and need them to perform. Zero tolerance knives, even stuff like Spyderco won't cut it now, I've set a higher standard.

I would not ever rely on a mis-profiled cheap holster if my life depended on my draw.

Now the cliche is pros are all in black, tactical equipment. Well, cliches are there for a reason. All black works better. You want to be "high speed, low drag" as they say in the military. Those bulky gloves were another indicator. It seemed like he looked at things through a skewed filter. Those are horrible for actual usage and absolutely a liability when handling a firearm (couldn't even fit a finger through the trigger guard). And poor for B&E.

So the gear/get up can be indicative of a mindset, an experience level, budgetary constraints.

Now some wannabes are try-hards (Kohberger's KA-BAR knife comes to mind) and may get all "mall-ninja'd" up as we say, where they are style-over-substance interpretation of a cool tactical outfit by an outsider, and there too you can see the tells. But this outfit was neither stealthy, nor practical or efficient, while in some misconstrued way aiming at that? Honestly, you know where I've see this kind of stuff; third world countries/war zones where they throw together whatever they can and you see a rag tag of sporty stuff along with military issue and other random accents. Think most places in the sandbox, W. Africa, S. and Central America.
 
  • #23,467
they may have some type of mental health disorder but I don’t think this is all the result of active psychosis, if that’s what you mean. It’s too well thought out and not erratic enough.
True. But, IMO there are cases where the perp was deemed mentally ill/psychotic, but still carried out a planned a targeted attack (like Holmes, the theater killer, for instance).
 
  • #23,468
Well, if I may put on my bad guy hat for a second. I'd still rather have $6m sitting in a crypto wallet than not. Laundering it slowly over the course of your life is doable and won't raise any flags if you are okay with doing it in small chunks. You won't be living in a mansion or driving a lambo next week, but you won't ever need to work again.
I did think about this, but the issue is that wallet is now forever tainted. It will be monitored and each withdrawal/transfer will be closely scrutinized for the rest of your life.

One would theoretically want to move everything out of the wallet as quickly as possible to somewhere as secure and anonymous as possible. That’s where the big issues come in.
 
  • #23,469
What does this have to do with the topic in hand?

Bear with me on this…

I am in a habit now of not using the actual “pads” of my fingers to touch communal buttons because of germs and behaviors learned during COVID times. Instead, I’ll use a knuckle to hit an elevator button or whatever it is.

The way this looks to me is like the person is absentmindedly going to hit the doorbell with the side of their hand like they maybe are accustomed to doing and then the lightbulb clicked that the doorbell is also a camera recording what he’s doing… and he basically short-circuited for a minute while trying to walk through the next steps. And lantana is what they came up with…

JMO
Im just not getting meticulous vibe.
 
  • #23,470
My maybe silly idea (I posted this before) was that a bug like a black widow spider was there, so he needed something to brush it away. 🤷‍♀️
Nope. And yes that's a silly idea because he never brushed anything away. He literally placed and held his hand directly over the lens with the lantana while trying to remove the camera with his other hand. Common sense / Occam's razor says he was simply trying to hide himself from being recorded while directly facing the camera that he could no longer look away from.
 
  • #23,471
  • #23,472
I’ve been wondering that same thing for a while.
NG entered her home through the garage. The garage is located on the right side of the front door (side of house). Out of this particular cameras view.
 
  • #23,473
If the backpack is truly from Walmart, that would be something. How many times have we seen footage of criminals buying their gear at Walmart?

A lot. Angela Wagner (Pike County OH Rhoden family massacre) and her shoes purchase comes to mind. They have great record keeping and surveillance cameras.
 
  • #23,474
Well he didn’t do a good job did he!
My guess is not a professional. Someone the murderer knew and willing to do it. Mistakes were made. Never said they did a good job.
 
  • #23,475
Also, IMO, even if the perp doesn't have a good plan for cashing it out, I don't think this definitively means it's not real. I am sure there have been criminals who have used bitcoin without a complete understanding of how to launder it. Being bad at cryptocurrency does not immediately imply hoax to me, IMHO.
Initially TMZ was saying LE was taking it seriously due to the reference of the location of her Apple watch. HL said it was not in a location you'd intuitively jump to. If not for that I'd write it off as a hoax, but if they really did have inside info I'm back to square one.
 
  • #23,476
I'm not sleuthing anyone in particular. I'm trying to get a handle on all the adults in this family. For instance, does NG have brothers and sisters? Nieces, nephews? Adult grandchildren?

LE is intensely focused on AG/TCs house. If they are not interested specifically in AG/TC are there other adult relatives that come and go from there? They are interested in that house for a reason. IMO
Oh you're going to have me adding yet another tree to my online family tree collection at this rate (and I have already run out of fingers and toes to count them!).
 
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  • #23,478
Also, where is the footage of Nancy arriving to her home from earlier in the evening???
If they had this video, why would they release it? They released the videos they did because they contained images of an alleged perpetrator. They're not going to release every video they have; only the ones that have information they want the public to get. I don't think any conclusions at all can be drawn from videos that we don't know if they have, and they probably wouldn't release if they did.
 
  • #23,479
Or mentally ill/Schizophrenic
I don't think we can rule out some type of mental illness. A person who has some form of mental illness might live on the streets or in the wilderness or wherever, or might be transient. Such a person might carry a backpack, and might keep gloves/mask for committing crimes of opportunity.
This type of person might not have a phone or vehicle -- two of the items that often lead to suspects. He's off-grid, and maybe a little lucky.
Maybe something goes wrong during a break-in or home invasion and, not thinking clearly, he removes the body or walks her a short distance. Might be why LE continues searching the immediate area.
The whole kidnapping thing just seems too exotic and uncommon. It's so incredibly rare. The ransom business, I suspect, may be the work of an opportunist. This theory, or some variation, might explain why a ransom hasn't been paid, as far as we know.
 
  • #23,480
IMO

Is it possible this is just a random crime. All siblings saw the video and didn't recognize the person. Of course it's not a great video but enough to recognize I think. They are not getting caught because everyone is looking in the wrong direction because of SG. CNN said backpack was identified.
But maybe they did recognize the person…
 
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