AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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BBM

Do you mind posting a link to LE stating he's been cleared?

I read it here earlier today, which is why I said it was my understanding. If he wasn't cleared then I suppose that technically leaves him in the game, but now he's just one of those old guys who comes off the bench from time to time to light it up until the next timeout, but he's not a franchise player anymore.

JMO.
 
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The same guy who didn’t anticipate the door cam and was grabbing shrubs to cover it up.
A-m-a-t-e-u-r.

The shrub pulling made me think “gardener/landscaper”.

Amateur opinion and speculation only
I thought the same thing about landscaper.
 
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From watching the video, it looked like he was looking around for anything he could grab to cover the camera. He looks at the gravel first then sees the flowers. It’s literally the first thing he sees that could be used. Don’t think there was much thought behind it except “🤬🤬🤬🤬

Yes, the apparent lantana improvisation suggests the intruder is someone who did NOT know there was a security camera at the entry; otherwise, why not come prepared with something to mask it? I mean, he had a backpack.

So there is that to consider.

The presence of the camera did nothing to deter this perp, clearly.
It did not give him pause when he spotted it. He did not get panicked, he did not turn tail and run.
His movements were not hurried or twitchy. He looked almost nonchalant perusing the yard for suitable ground cover.
He didn't appear to be under the influence of anything to me.
He looked deliberate and decisive.

Not his first rodeo vis-a-vis home invasion.

JMO.
 
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They don't send a SWAT team or get a warrant to search a house because of a tip of the person apprehended last night looking similar to this person. IMO LE had to have had other convincing concerns and information about this person (e.g. their movements, their vehicles, their cell phone activity, pings by NG's house while delivering packages, relative saying they were acting suspicious, etc) for a judge to okay the warrant and for the SWAT team to be deployed. JMHO
Which is why I brought up that package at the front door, could his phone have pinged during the time of that package. That was his job according to news reports. He still could have just delivered that package and that was it. IMO
 
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It wasn’t a rumor. Someone in a white vehicle went to the house today and put up signs and said they were hired in some capacity (perhaps misstated) by the family. It’s on video.
Wow!! I wonder if he could get in trouble for that?
 
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But maybe they did recognize the person…
That's the part I've been thinking of since I heard it. Since an inside job has not been ruled out by LE officially (or has it? Correct me if I am wrong here). But the what if. What is someone DOES or SHOULD recognize the person, but says the don't? That would mean horrific things.
 
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My feeling is that it may be related whether that was the same person as the perp on the porch or not.

Is it just me or did masked guy at the door walk and move so calmly almost reluctantly. Or so calmly, more indifferent like a hit man. Like im clocking in, dont really feel like doing this vs today. Almost like a sort of non character lazy-ish hit man.
I thought he was trying to walk quietly. If you watch it thinking he is walking carefully and lightly, it makes more sense. But definitely not scared or nervous. Calm like you said.
 
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Looks like too many people on here are overly tired at this point and some continue to post gibberish. Pleading with the Mods to shutdown this feed overnight to let folks settle down for a few hours.
I actually agree. Fine with me would force me to sleep.
 
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I agree. He's connected somehow.
Connected to the crime, or to have been in the area for his job? He was released. Those are 2 different things.
 
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But maybe they did recognize the person…
If they did recognize them, I think this investigation would look much different right now.
 
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Seems that many posts are redundant or rehashing the same dead horse. While I understand everyone wants their points made here for eternity, it seems the mods may want to shut down for the evenings and let people cool down and slow their roll. In the spirit of healthy, thoughtful, contributive sleuthing, I feel like we are beating several dead horses over and over again which does nothing to make some of us want to spend hours catching up on the same topics from days ago and have anything of substance left to comment on. Just my opinion, I know others may feel differently. I realize this case has dragged out and sleuthers are frustrated, for good reason. Let’s just use some restraint in commenting unless comment furthers the discussion in a positive direction. We are all tired.
 
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Looks like too many people on here are overly tired at this point and some continue to post gibberish. Pleading with the Mods to shutdown this feed overnight to let folks settle down for a few hours.
Respectfully, I haven’t seen any gibberish
 
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Unless they are trying to find something to substantiate their only theory based on last known to see her alive + family, and they can't find it but keep trying b/c they don't know what other direction to go in.
True. But a specific search warrant would be needed. You can’t get a an open warrant. And they are not leaving empty handed.

They keep going back because where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
 
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It could have been left there by someone (LE, press, YouTuber, etc.) days later and was placed on the rock to make it more visible to whoever left it behind.
Yes, just one more example of poor judgement in releasing the scene too soon. Now us sleuthers are losing our minds not to mention LE ( as in FBI) having to spend 100 man hours trying to track that down. Thanks…

MOO
 
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BBM I don't think we would have seen that in the clips we have. Maybe he disabled/removed the camera before he tried that, but either way we don't have a complete end-to-end recording of his time at the front door, so we can't really say what he did or didn't try. JMO. (I don't really disagree with your overall conclusion, though.)
Does anyone know how many other entrances were to the house? I think she was carried out the front door, but the intruders entered a different door. I thought that the back door was found unlocked. MOO
 
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I am wondering about drugs and alcohol use/addiction.

Yes the part that feels off is someone young, inexperienced, or mentally ill/ intellectually impaired who is acting in a way he thinks a criminal would behave, dress, etc. Maybe based on TV or movies. Not the real world. But it is very poorly done. This is what feels off to you,

Yes his comfort level was not from overtraining and confidence like you would see with an experienced criminal, or highly trained military etc. And they would understand the importance of the task ahead of them. The serious consequences for failure, etc.

So we are looking perhaps at a teen or young 20’s male. Someone whose frontal lobe is not yet developed completely so is reckless, poor judgement, cannot envision consequences or seriousness of behavior. Add a great deal of testosterone in a person who does not yet know how to handle that in socially appropriate ways. And drugs or alcohol.

Unfortunately, the risk assessment of this type of person is not good.

Interesting in terms of the gun.
Did you see the gun on this guy in the initial frames?
And then later he moves it?
Or did someone hand it to him do you think.

There are many ways to act threatening with a gun.
He chose to use a highly sexualized placement.
Which leaves me wondering if NG did any volunteer work or befriended a young man in the neighborhood who was challenged.
 
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I did think about this, but the issue is that wallet is now forever tainted. It will be monitored and each withdrawal/transfer will be closely scrutinized for the rest of your life.

One would theoretically want to move everything out of the wallet as quickly as possible to somewhere as secure and anonymous as possible. That’s where the big issues come in.

When a new bitcoin wallet is made, it has no prior history. So there would be no rush to move funds out of it. Yes, that address will be watched like a hawk and is forever tainted. But still, that address is all they "know" about the perp.

The perp's next move would be to start swapping bitcoin to monero. That ends the chain of records right there, and would make blockchain analysts' lives very hard.
 

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