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dbm
 
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I'm wondering if there's someone like that in the family. I've been thinking of the Reiner situation. The young adult with problems. That person on the porch acts like he belongs there. I also think they might be intoxicated on some kind of downer. Maybe they've been accustomed to family bailing them out. Maybe they think, or know, that NG keeps pain killers or cash in that house.

Whoever that is took great pains not to be recognized on camera or by NG if she woke up. Things went sideways. Did they call somebody for help? Did a car leave AG/TGs house in the middle of the night? Or did they call a friend? Someone else in the extended family? I don't think whoever is on that porch had the wherewithal to remove a body from the house and secret it away somewhere. Not alone. IMO
I was thinking today maybe it's drug related. I know we've talked about cartel activity, which I don't subscribe to, but people will do very desperate things for drugs/drug money.
Maybe it's someone NG knows/a distance relative. Like some have pointed out, she's lived there for decades.
I'm not entirely sure the context of how this would play out given the facts we know, but yea could see some sort of drug use nexus.
 
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What if this guy just grabbed gloves from his doctors or dentists' office? There are boxes of them everywhere in medical offices.

Or, at a restaurant, if he works in one? When I worked in a restaurant we had a storage basement with no cameras and would go down there all the time to get stuff. No one would notice if I took one box (or one pair, for that matter) of the many boxes of gloves.

The backpack is from one of the largest retailers in the US. He could have had it for 15 years. He could have grabbed it from a lost and found bin at his kid's school or at a gym.

I just am highly skeptical that the clothing/gloves/bag, which are all incredibly generic, will lead to an ID. Not to criticize those looking into those things! I'm glad people are and it would seem irresponsible for LE not to. I just think if I were to commit a crime I wouldn't go into my local Walmart to buy all the supplies (in this case, clothing/backpack/gloves - not like crime clean up chemicals or zip ties or something) a few weeks before... MOO
I’ve been wondering about used goods.
If i were to plan a crime, I’d purchase all of my supplies at Salvation Army stores or flea markets… pretty much untraceable. Or yard sales.
 
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I’ve been wondering about used goods.
If i were to plan a crime, I’d purchase all of my supplies at Salvation Army stores or flea markets… pretty much untraceable. Or yard sales.
Agree.. pay in cash. A yard sale or flea market it's also less likely that there are cameras.
 
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I’ve seen too many criminals caught on Walmart cams….
 
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Sorry if I'm being thick, but has this been analyzed on here? Trying to keep up. I think that has major relevance if the case - so he had the backpack/gun at one point in time on the front porch and then in another point in time did not? I can't even start to know why that's the case but it seems like it would be relevant. Did he leave the backpack and gun inside? In the getaway car? Why did he take them off?


I sort of thought that before, but I think that would be too risky for the original perp - bringing in a third party/more people which is risky if they are caught or if they give away the crime for a plea deal, etc. I mean it's still possible, it just doesn't seem smart
We just don't know. The point of the video was purely for identification, not for people like us to have a deeper understanding of the case.
 
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I thought he was trying to walk quietly. If you watch it thinking he is walking carefully and lightly, it makes more sense. But definitely not scared or nervous. Calm like you said.
Makes me think he knew his victim was very vulnerable and he planed to overpower her regardless, which makes me all the madder - and makes me wish she would have had been wearing one of those necklaces with a HELP button (I'm assuming she did not).

All jmo/mmo
 
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they may have some type of mental health disorder but I don’t think this is all the result of active psychosis, if that’s what you mean. It’s too well thought out and not erratic enough.
I've just jumped on for a quick check in. Can someone tell me why there's discussion of mental health disorder and schizophrenia? Is this in relation to the offender on the front door camera?

If yes, where is this coming from?
 
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I’ve been wondering about used goods.
If i were to plan a crime, I’d purchase all of my supplies at Salvation Army stores or flea markets… pretty much untraceable. Or yard sales.
There's a Salvation Army Thrift Store right around the corner from AG/TC's house.

 
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We just don't know. The point of the video was purely for identification, not for people like us to have a deeper understanding of the case.
Right :)

Makes it seem like he would have taken it off and was coming back around the front to get NG? Maybe an accomplice was inside with her? Total speculation
 
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I think the FBI will be able to figure out each item and accessory the mask guy is wearing from head to toe including what I think are at least two hyper-realistic face masks (female top, male bottom, somehow being worn together) under the ski mask. But I don't know if they can easily enough track purchases for what are not rare items. But it's quite a bit of evidence still.
You think he's wearing three masks at once?
 
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I’ve seen too many criminals caught on Walmart cams….
I've seen it when they are buying more specific items like zip ties or cleaning supplies... haven't seen it for clothes and a backpack. But who knows!
 
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I first noticed it on a video when a reporter videoed the front door after the crime scene was opened back up, it could have come from anywhere but it still bugs me.
Could have a ransom note in it for all we know…no wonder there’s frustration. Sarcasm on my part, but - really?

MOO
 
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There are new developments in the search for Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy, 11 days after she was taken from her Tucson, Arizona, home. ET talks with criminal justice analyst (and Fox News contributor) Paul Mauro, as the FBI conducts new raids, one day after first detaining a person of interest, a man named Carlos Palazuelos, who spoke with ET after he was released from questioning.

The thickness of the gloves made it too difficult for him to tamper with the camera, so he turned around and gathered scrub from Nancy's front yard to use to cover the device. He eventually pulled the camera out, which stopped it from recording anything further.

The nightmare video showed a gun holstered in the man's pants as he disabled the camera at 1:48 a.m. on February 1. Less than 20 minutes later, cameras inside Nancy's home detected someone inside.

By 2:28 a.m., her pacemaker stopped syncing with her Apple Watch, which was still inside the house, indicating she had been taken out of range of the device.

The glove was located about 1.5 miles from Nancy's home in the Catalina Foothills section of Tucson, on a dirt path alongside a road.

This morning, numerous FBI agents are conducting an extensive search along multiple roadways in the Catalina Foothills area related to the Nancy Guthrie
investigation,” the FBI’s Phoenix division shared via X on Wednesday. “We are asking the media and motorists to follow all traffic laws and to remain cautious when passing law enforcement personnel near the roadways.”

While it’s unclear what the federal officers may have been searching for, a new report from Page Six revealed investigators found a suspicious glove near Nancy’s home. The glove, which was collected as evidence, appeared to be similar to that worn by the masked individual in footage obtained from Nancy’s doorbell camera.


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A person was detained by police "during a traffic stop south of Tucson" for questioning in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance late on Feb. 10, according to a statement obtained by USA TODAY. The person appears to have been released.

Carlos, the man who says he was detained, questioned and released in relation to the Nancy Guthrie investigation, told reporters outside his Rio Rico, Arizona, home early Wednesday that he was stopped while working his delivery job, according to Fox News and the Arizona Republic
 
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In regards to the "Face" of masked man:

Does anyone see them 'blink' in any of the videos?
Some drugs can make people blink at reduced rates compared to normal.

Or the perp has had surgery to remove his eyelids potentially?
 
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Getting great advice tonight on what not to do if you are considering committing a crime!
 
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In regards to the "Face" of masked man:

Does anyone see them 'blink' in any of the videos?

Does anyone else see the mouth in the exactly same position (lips slightly parted) throughout different shots, like a frozen face?

Does anyone notice the 'brows' go all the way flat towards the center of the nose, not normally arching?

I need to watch it again, but these are some reasons why I suspect it's a mask and not a real face.
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