AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[nightowl2728]

What if this guy just grabbed gloves from his doctors or dentists' office? There are boxes of them everywhere in medical offices.

Or, at a restaurant, if he works in one? When I worked in a restaurant we had a storage basement with no cameras and would go down there all the time to get stuff. No one would notice if I took one pair (or one box, for that matter) of the many boxes of gloves.

The backpack is from one of the largest retailers in the US. He could have had it for 15 years. He could have grabbed it from a lost and found bin at his kid's school or at a gym. Or ordered it online using his girlfriend's credit card and had it shipped to a different address.

I just am highly skeptical that the clothing/gloves/bag, which are all incredibly generic, will lead to an ID. Not to criticize those looking into those things! I'm glad people are and it would seem irresponsible for LE not to. I just think if I were to commit a crime I wouldn't go into my local Walmart to buy all the supplies (in this case, clothing/backpack/gloves - not like crime clean up chemicals or zip ties or something) a few weeks before... MOO

 

[dogmom805]

How can LE rule out an inside job when they have no clue who took her??

The way they usually rule out suspects, I suppose...JMO

 

[easternbayou]

Sorry if I'm being thick, but has this been analyzed on here? Trying to keep up. I think that has major relevance if the case - so he had the backpack/gun at one point in time on the front porch and then in another point in time did not? I can't even start to know why that's the case but it seems like it would be relevant. Did he leave the backpack and gun inside? In the getaway car? Why did he take them off?


I sort of thought that before, but I think that would be too risky for the original perp - bringing in a third party/more people which is risky if they are caught or if they give away the crime for a plea deal, etc. I mean it's still possible, it just doesn't seem smart

Yeah I definitely agree, very risky. The reward would have to heavily outweigh the risk, which doesn't track and highly doubtful.

 

[mickey2942]

That man has been released. Catch up!

I am worried that with all of the attention on this case, more innocent people will be arrested.

There is so much attention and manpower being spent on the case.

 

[Fargo]

Which leaves me wondering if NG did any volunteer work or befriended a young man in the neighborhood who was challenged.

I'm wondering if there's someone like that in the family. I've been thinking of the Reiner situation. The young adult with problems. That person on the porch acts like he belongs there. I also think they might be intoxicated on some kind of downer. Maybe they've been accustomed to family bailing them out. Maybe they think, or know, that NG keeps pain killers or cash in that house.

Whoever that is took great pains not to be recognized on camera or by NG if she woke up. Things went sideways. Did they call somebody for help? Did a car leave AG/TGs house in the middle of the night? Or did they call a friend? Someone else in the extended family? I don't think whoever is on that porch had the wherewithal to remove a body from the house and secret it away somewhere. Not alone. IMO

 

[dogmom805]

I also want to note that individuals with mental illnesses are much more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators of violent crime.

Agreed.

 

[detectivewannab]

What if this guy just grabbed gloves from his doctors or dentists' office? There are boxes of them everywhere in medical offices.

Or, at a restaurant, if he works in one? When I worked in a restaurant we had a storage basement with no cameras and would go down there all the time to get stuff. No one would notice if I took one box (or one pair, for that matter) of the many boxes of gloves.

The backpack is from one of the largest retailers in the US. He could have had it for 15 years.

I just am highly skeptical that the clothing/gloves/bag, which are all incredibly generic, will lead to an ID. Not to criticize those looking into those things! I'm glad people are and it would seem irresponsible for LE not to. I just think if I were to commit a crime I wouldn't go into my local Walmart to buy all the supplies a few weeks before... MOO

That's how a lot of people get caught. Either Walmart or Home Depo!

 

[kirsa]

I am worried that with all of the attention on this case, more innocent people will be arrested.

There is so much attention and manpower being spent on the case.

I’m worried that the perp is now terrified of the very real possibility of being identified and will do something rash. Then make a break for the border

 

[Tugb0ats]

The way they usually rule out suspects, I suppose...JMO

Well, given that they’ve already detained the wrong suspect, I don’t think skepticism is out of line..

 

[dogmom805]

In regards to the "Face" of masked man:

Does anyone see them 'blink' in any of the videos?

Does anyone else see the mouth in the exactly same position (lips slightly parted) throughout different shots, like a frozen face?

Does anyone notice the 'brows' go all the way flat towards the center of the nose, not normally arching?

I need to watch it again, but these are some reasons why I suspect it's a mask and not a real face.

 

[dogmom805]

dbm

 

[nightowl2728]

I'm wondering if there's someone like that in the family. I've been thinking of the Reiner situation. The young adult with problems. That person on the porch acts like he belongs there. I also think they might be intoxicated on some kind of downer. Maybe they've been accustomed to family bailing them out. Maybe they think, or know, that NG keeps pain killers or cash in that house.

Whoever that is took great pains not to be recognized on camera or by NG if she woke up. Things went sideways. Did they call somebody for help? Did a car leave AG/TGs house in the middle of the night? Or did they call a friend? Someone else in the extended family? I don't think whoever is on that porch had the wherewithal to remove a body from the house and secret it away somewhere. Not alone. IMO

I was thinking today maybe it's drug related. I know we've talked about cartel activity, which I don't subscribe to, but people will do very desperate things for drugs/drug money.
Maybe it's someone NG knows/a distance relative. Like some have pointed out, she's lived there for decades.
I'm not entirely sure the context of how this would play out given the facts we know, but yea could see some sort of drug use nexus.

 

[Fargo]

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[BrittMontero]

What if this guy just grabbed gloves from his doctors or dentists' office? There are boxes of them everywhere in medical offices.

Or, at a restaurant, if he works in one? When I worked in a restaurant we had a storage basement with no cameras and would go down there all the time to get stuff. No one would notice if I took one box (or one pair, for that matter) of the many boxes of gloves.

The backpack is from one of the largest retailers in the US. He could have had it for 15 years. He could have grabbed it from a lost and found bin at his kid's school or at a gym.

I just am highly skeptical that the clothing/gloves/bag, which are all incredibly generic, will lead to an ID. Not to criticize those looking into those things! I'm glad people are and it would seem irresponsible for LE not to. I just think if I were to commit a crime I wouldn't go into my local Walmart to buy all the supplies (in this case, clothing/backpack/gloves - not like crime clean up chemicals or zip ties or something) a few weeks before... MOO

I’ve been wondering about used goods.
If i were to plan a crime, I’d purchase all of my supplies at Salvation Army stores or flea markets… pretty much untraceable. Or yard sales.

 

[nightowl2728]

I’ve been wondering about used goods.
If i were to plan a crime, I’d purchase all of my supplies at Salvation Army stores or flea markets… pretty much untraceable. Or yard sales.

Agree.. pay in cash. A yard sale or flea market it's also less likely that there are cameras.

 

[Gr3yW0lf78]

I’ve seen too many criminals caught on Walmart cams….

 

[MassGuy]

Sorry if I'm being thick, but has this been analyzed on here? Trying to keep up. I think that has major relevance if the case - so he had the backpack/gun at one point in time on the front porch and then in another point in time did not? I can't even start to know why that's the case but it seems like it would be relevant. Did he leave the backpack and gun inside? In the getaway car? Why did he take them off?


I sort of thought that before, but I think that would be too risky for the original perp - bringing in a third party/more people which is risky if they are caught or if they give away the crime for a plea deal, etc. I mean it's still possible, it just doesn't seem smart

We just don't know. The point of the video was purely for identification, not for people like us to have a deeper understanding of the case.

 

[303gmf]

JLR on YouTube interviewed him at some point I’ll try to find it

Not allowed here

 

[LRinCA]

I thought he was trying to walk quietly. If you watch it thinking he is walking carefully and lightly, it makes more sense. But definitely not scared or nervous. Calm like you said.

Makes me think he knew his victim was very vulnerable and he planed to overpower her regardless, which makes me all the madder - and makes me wish she would have had been wearing one of those necklaces with a HELP button (I'm assuming she did not).

All jmo/mmo

 

[Strangeworld]

they may have some type of mental health disorder but I don’t think this is all the result of active psychosis, if that’s what you mean. It’s too well thought out and not erratic enough.

I've just jumped on for a quick check in. Can someone tell me why there's discussion of mental health disorder and schizophrenia? Is this in relation to the offender on the front door camera?

If yes, where is this coming from?