• #23,621
Could the grabbing of the lantana be retrieving a hidden key in the flower pot? Or has this been addressed already?
 
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The perp wouldn't have to entice her to the door. The perp broke into her home! My thinking is the perp went straight away into her bedroom. I have also read in several articles that she wore a hearing aid. Most people take off their hearing aids at night. I cannot imagine how terrifying it would be to wake up and see a man wearing a mask, gloves, and hovering over you in the middle of the night. Absolutely terrifying!
Hearing aid/s wearer here.

Yes, it's important to always remove your hearing aids when you go to bed. In my case, they need to charge, but even when I had the battery operated hearing aids I removed them to sleep. Your ear canals need time to kind of breathe, plus, it would be very uncomfortable to wear them all night, especially for side sleepers.

JMO but also based on everything I've ever heard/known about hearing aids.
 
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If a disoriented, elderly woman, with poor vision and hearing, were to hear a familiar voice with urgency?
 
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I am beginning to think this was never a kidnapping. The person on camera was hired to clean up the crime scene and perhaps dispose of the body, and Nancy was murdered before his arrival. I won’t speculate on the murderer, though. I think we all have our thoughts, and that is enough. Still doesn’t explain the Apple Watch sync, if it happened earlier in the night, though. The kidnapping theory has just gotten weird and is going in too many insane directions.
I think the exact same thing! That the person on cam is after the fact but don't have enough evidence to piece together why I think that but I do.
 
  • #23,627
I've noticed that "hearing aid" singular has been used (it's mentioned as a singular hearing aid in the post a few above mine).

I find that interesting because most people with hearing loss wear two hearing aids. It's more unusual to wear just one versus two.

I have wondered if she heard something and grabbed one hearing aid to put it in. I would like to think that she had at least one hearing aid with her; however, it would have run out of charge by now - even with a battery operated system.

JMO/MOO
 
  • #23,628
Give me some grace here fam, but what if the perp is wearing a celebrity mask under the ski mask? In this hypothetical situation, we may only have biometrics. Eyes and such.
Could be. The celebrity ones I've seen are thicker, not stretchy, and oversize. I think they'd looker bulkier under the ski mask than the images released. The features on celebrity masks are often exaggerated. Underneath the ski mask, the eyebrows would be more prominent, I think.

The mask under the ski mask looks more like the realistic-looking, form-fitting kind used by the assassin in Minnesota wore.

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I think the exact same thing! That the person on cam is after the fact but don't have enough evidence to piece together why I think that but I do.
I would think LE would have access to earlier video footage and motion alerts from inside the house if someone had broken in prior to this person.
 
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DBM (duplicate post)
 
  • #23,631
If the backpack is truly from Walmart, that would be something. How many times have we seen footage of criminals buying their gear at Walmart?
They gotta buy it somewhere.
 
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This has been a thought of mine..Only because I know of an instance where it has happened (I was close with the family that it happened to) and I know it has happened here in Tucson a few times. I wonder if this is a home invasion that was mistaken house. Like thefragile7393 said, they do happen, but it usually has to do with drugs.
How many of those people take an 84-year-old woman with them?
 
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In a recent discussion, Greg Gutfeld proposed an intriguing strategy regarding the ongoing mystery surrounding Savannah Guthrie. Gutfeld, a co-host known for his sharp insights, suggested that Guthrie, perceived as the least likely suspect, should voluntarily undergo a polygraph test

This suggestion aims to create pressure on other individuals associated with the case. By having Guthrie take the polygraph, it could prompt others to follow suit. Gutfeld believes that no one should be ruled out at this stage, and the willingness or reluctance to participate in the test might reveal more about the individuals involved.

Expert Opinions on Polygraph Testing​

Paul Mauro, a guest on the show, chimed in on Gutfeld’s idea. He noted that, as of now, there has been no known application of polygraph tests in this case. While Mauro expressed uncertainty about the progression of the investigation, he acknowledged that the results of polygraph tests are typically not admissible in court.
  • Gutfeld’s Main Argument: Initiating a polygraph test for Guthrie could help uncover the truth.
  • Impact of the Test: Reluctance to participate may indicate something unusual.
  • Legal Considerations: Polygraph results are not used as evidence in court but can serve as investigative pointers.
You could not pay me to do a polygraph. Those things are so easy to flop or pass, and since they can’t hold up in court, there’s no reason to do one. Yes, they can be a tool, but if somebody doesn’t pass due to nerves or whatever, then they can continually be harassed by law-enforcement or by the public at large in my opinion.
 
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This is my first post regarding this incredibly unusual case. I have noticed that the black gloves that have been discussed are used by mechanics, as well as other people. I just realized that the person in the video on Ms. Guthrie's front porch also had a "mouth" flashlight. I think mechanics also use those frequently. It may be nothing, but thought I would share. It may be a coincidence that two of the objects are used by that particular profession.
 
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In a recent discussion, Greg Gutfeld proposed an intriguing strategy regarding the ongoing mystery surrounding Savannah Guthrie. Gutfeld, a co-host known for his sharp insights, suggested that Guthrie, perceived as the least likely suspect, should voluntarily undergo a polygraph test

This suggestion aims to create pressure on other individuals associated with the case. By having Guthrie take the polygraph, it could prompt others to follow suit. Gutfeld believes that no one should be ruled out at this stage, and the willingness or reluctance to participate in the test might reveal more about the individuals involved.

Expert Opinions on Polygraph Testing​

Paul Mauro, a guest on the show, chimed in on Gutfeld’s idea. He noted that, as of now, there has been no known application of polygraph tests in this case. While Mauro expressed uncertainty about the progression of the investigation, he acknowledged that the results of polygraph tests are typically not admissible in court.
  • Gutfeld’s Main Argument: Initiating a polygraph test for Guthrie could help uncover the truth.
  • Impact of the Test: Reluctance to participate may indicate something unusual.
  • Legal Considerations: Polygraph results are not used as evidence in court but can serve as investigative pointers.
Polygraph tests are bogus. They’re totally subjective and attorneys advise their clients not to take them.
 
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Could be. The celebrity ones I've seen are thicker, not stretchy, and oversize. I think they'd looker bulkier under the ski mask than the images released. The features on celebrity masks are often exaggerated. Underneath the ski mask, the eyebrows would be more prominent, I think.

The mask under the ski mask looks more like the realistic-looking, form-fitting kind used by the assassin in Minnesota wore.

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Same type of mask under ski mask in my opinion.
 
  • #23,638
In regards to the "Face" of masked man:

Does anyone see them 'blink' in any of the videos?

Does anyone else see the mouth in the exactly same position (lips slightly parted) throughout different shots, like a frozen face?

Does anyone notice the 'brows' go all the way flat towards the center of the nose, not normally arching?

I need to watch it again, but these are some reasons why I suspect it's a mask and not a real face.
Mouth is open because he has what they call a bite light in his mouth. It's a flashlight you gently bite down on to cause it to illuminate so your hands are free to work.
 
  • #23,639
I love neighborhood cooperation and think Nancy’s area has been great.
 
  • #23,640
even if it exists, they are only releasing footage that they think will be useful in finding the person(s) who did this. No one needs to se

If they had this video, why would they release it? They released the videos they did because they contained images of an alleged perpetrator. They're not going to release every video they have; only the ones that have information they want the public to get. I don't think any conclusions at all can be drawn from videos that we don't know if they have, and they probably wouldn't release if they did.
The purpose in asking this question was not about “releasing” the footage, more about the fact we haven’t heard definitively if she ever walked into the house that evening and if she had been spotted on camera, I would think they would state that, and I haven’t heard this. Someone else mentioned she supposedly went in through the garage.
 
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