• #23,961
I'm assuming you are speaking about this:

Authorities are asking residents near Nancy Guthrie’s home to check their security camera footage from two days in January as they piece together “a new timeline” in the case, according an alert posted on the Neighbor App by Ring.

Investigators are looking for footage from:

January 11 between 9 p.m. and midnight, more than two weeks before the 84-year-old went missing, and January 31 between 9:30 p.m. and 11 p.m., flagging a suspicious vehicle in the area around 10 a.m., according to the alert.

Just noting for what it's worth that these are both weekend nights.

Did NG routinely go to AGs on Saturday nights? She got in around 9pm the night she went missing so it seems possible that someone was aware of her routine.

MOO.
 
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Just noting for what it's worth that these are both weekend nights.

Did NG routinely go to AGs on Saturday nights? She got in around 9pm the night she went missing so it seems possible that someone was aware of her routine.

MOO.
I hadn't thought about a routine. Good point.
 
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Camera tampering at least shows us that this person had an awareness of consequences. This person expected the crime to occur indicating it was pre meditated to some degree. This person didn’t knock or smash blindly at things at the door or wander around. They appear to go straight to surveillance atop the door ( and apparently other areas of the property so that points to someone with at least some familiarly of the home. Disabling the camera took time and increased risk so this person was either highly confident of low traffic and or knew she was alone. This person is displaying at least some behaviors of tech knowledge and avoiding detection. They’re somewhat comfortable moving on foot in the dark, also they have at least some impulse control because they didn’t appear to get too flustered when disabling that camera.


To me this indicates a couple of things. There’s planned concealment with the gloves and mask specifically, night time approach to further conceal themselves, forensic awareness( gloves), disabling the cameras. This person(s) totally planned this and 100 percent an intentional crime took place. Nothing about this screams random intruder to me. MOO
Replying to my own post here because I had another thought about this masked individual. I just noticed after watching the video multiple times this person does not appear to squint their eyes when attempting to disable that camera in the dark, with shadows from the moon or
Flashlight…so it implies to me that this person could potentially be younger, mid 20s/early 30s or have contacts in. Their vision appears to be really good.
 
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CP is very clearly lying about this as he's clearly in the driver's seat when they pull him over. Lying very, very well. I imagine he lied that his wife was driving because she's probably the DoorDasher, but if he's lying so easily about this what else is he lying about? Timestamp: 00:38.

If this guy was on their radar causing them to get a search warrant for his home, IMO it is likely authorities were following both he AND his wife in their separate vehicles prior to his being pulled over 🤷‍♀️
 
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Totally agree that there’d be people who would change their minds, but it’s not LE’s job to change people’s minds about online theories, it’s to focus on the investigation. I just can’t see them addressing online theories publicly in a press conference unless they thought it was actually relevant to their case to do so.

JMO

Right on @penguinface

LE does not want theories from the public. They have established tip lines asking for information from specific date ranges, in specific areas, observed first hand suspicious activity in the targeted areas, person(s) that stand out to them, etc. And the most crucial IMO do you recognize this person Yes (we want to know) or No (thanks for looking)? Not using AI tools on the suspect and submit those as tips and so on. Do you know this person, do you recognize anything they are wearing? Yes or No. IMO

 
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They are also asking neighbors what cars they drive and specifically asking about a truck.
That we haven’t had a description of the perp’s vehicle yet is one of the strangest things about this investigation so far.

I know that neighbours’ cameras wouldn’t get usable images from the road in an area without streetlights, because the houses are set back from the road and, in low light, you’d get nothing usable. But why no images from nearby cameras on larger roads? I can’t imagine too much traffic at 1-2 am.

Does it mean NG wasn’t taken far from her house?
 
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IIRC the first ransom message was received by TMZ on the Monday, and, purely through SG being who she is, the story went national as soon as the disappearance was announced on the Monday. Onoy my opinion but I think if you were going to kidnap someone for ransom, you’d wait until the story broke before making the first ransom demand. You’re wanting to instil terror, increase the likelihood the family will pay you through fewr of what you’ll do to their loved one.

A day of them not knowing a thing about what has happened to their relative could be important in amping up that fear.. if the first the family knew of NG being missing was from a ransom note rather than naturally finding out she’s gone themselves, I think it changes the dynamic. If there’s an element of ego to the perps, I think you’d also want both the initial shock of the disappearwnce and then a later ransom demand coming in to be two separate stories in their own right, which you wouldn’t get if you sent a ransom demand on the Sunday morning straight after the kidnap, before NG’s disapearance was diacovered.

JMO

The ransom letter was sent only after the story went national.

A ransom letter was sent to two Arizona stations on Monday evening.

Tuesday is when TMZ received it.
 
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Just joining this morning and on first cup of coffee. Turned on Fox and they are showing a white tent at the doorway of NG's house. I don't have twitter but I bet there is a pic out there.
 
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Just joining this morning and on first cup of coffee. Turned on Fox and they are showing a white tent at the doorway of NG's house. I don't have twitter but I bet there is a pic out there.
I’d assume this probably has something to do with trying to determine the height of the suspect. moo
 
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OK, newbie here, so please be kind....I have been reading these posts for days now, and would like to provide my thoughts, clearly just my opinion, but what makes sense to me. I try to look at things justas they appear, and not to read more into anything than what is there. I don’t see this as a well planned and executed event by experienced kidnappers, but more of a bungled burglary by some doper looking for items easy to turn into cash/more drugs.

Here is how I see it going down. While on the Uber ride to AG’s, NG mentions that her daughter is a celebrity and that she is going to her other daughters for dinner and game night. Old people like to talk. The Uber driver mentions this to her shady boyfriend or other shady friend who decides that this is the perfect opportunity to score at NGs house. This person or persons goes to NG’s and breaks in through the back door. While he/they are there, NG gets dropped off and enters the house through the garage. The person hides, while NG goes to her bedroom and readies for bed (takes out hearing aids, etc.). One way or another, his presence is discovered and something horrible happens, maybe a tussle, maybe worse, there are sick (and high) people out there. She dies as a result. Anyways, he panicks and leaves. After thinking about it more, he decides he may have left DNA in the house or on NG, maybe under fingernails, etc. He cobbles together the outfit we see in the video along with some supplies he thinks he needs to clean the scene and returns to the house to take care of things. We see him approach the walk from the direction of the garage/main drive.. His car could be parked in front of the garage where clearly the Nest camera cannot see. He could have unlocked the front door when he was previously in the house, not uncommon for burglars to leave doors/means of escape open while they work. He is unconcerned about an alarm, as he has already been there. Another possiblity is that he brought help with him when he returned and that he had gone in the back way and unlocked the front door for the other man we see in the video. A 150 lb body is very difficult to handle, and the guy in the video is not a large muscular guy. Either way, the plan was to take NG out the front door to a waiting car in the circular drive. Per AB’s report, both Nest cameras at the house were smashed. This would cause an immediate halt to all recording, however,it would also stop the overwriting that would normally take place without a subscription. Thus any video captured earlier would have been overwritten by then, just leaving what we have seen. He/they go in and spend 40 minutes or so cleaning up anything that could possibly have DNA on it, find and smash the other Nest camera, etc. then decide to take her out the front door to the car which has by now been repositioned in the circular drive, right at the end of the walk. NG is carried in some manner out of the door and down the walk to the car, only dripping blood due to gravity and driven away for hiding. The ransom notes are probably all hoaxes, but could also have been an afterthought a couple days later when all the publicity broke.

It is such a shame that NG did not have a professional security system in place, as well as a life alert system. A monitored, or at least a cloud based video system in addition to a monitored home burglar alarm most likely could have prevented this. A lift alert button may have also been invaluable. Even many smart watches can alert others when a fall occurs or irregular heart beats happen if set up to do so. In this world, please protect yourselves, parents and children.

All of the above is just my opinion, looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it. There is so much we don’t know that the possibilities are still wide open.
 
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Ah, hold up!! So, the first walk up was a test to see if motion sensors light came on. His nonlinear concern was the data being livestreamed, or saved to a cloud server. He knew he was going to take off the device and take it with him as a just in case measure. He had no idea of that tidbit that even with wifi down, his video was still uploaded and even without service. Now, maybe this makes more sense. He was going the technology route of thinking the wifi was all that mattered! Thoughts??
Just a theory cause he didn't try the door knob first.
 
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The slouchy lazy demeanor of the perp on cam reminds me of a teenager being told to do something and he is doing the bare minimum. Probably too lazy to remove backpack to put tape over the camera. when he grabs the plant he looks to his left to see if anyone is watching. Maybe he realized how dumb that was and didn’t want the accomplices noticing. He also touched his gun to make sure it didn’t fall out after he bent over. I bet he dropped it multiple times in the past and wears it in the front so he does not lose it.
Discussion has been there previously. He is using a Mexican gun carry.
 
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rug was never taken .. I still ask about that blue shirt wadded up on the rocks
 
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