Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[stmichael]

StM, how do you think this situation will impact the investigation, the return of NG or her body, the identification of the kidnappers or killers, and a possible trial down the road?

I really don't know but I can tell you that agencies get very political and territorial. An elected Sheriff is a political position first and foremost and now we hear he'd had beef w/ the FBI and is holding a possible grudge? That friction and nonsense doesn't help a case that seems cold or has a lot of dead end leads. People say how can this guy be an amateur and not be caught? Well, sometimes it's better to be lucky that good. There's a lot of unique factors in this case that make it harder (dark, secluded neighborhood w/o the amount of surveillance we're used to these days). Basically I think as time goes by and they really don't have anything concrete the blame game comes to play and this stuff boils over, especially with the media scrutiny in national case like this.

Bottom line: I think if push comes to shove the FBI will assert themselves sooner than later and it will help steady the rudder and get the investigation back on track w/o these distractions and that would benefit the investigation/family.

 

[CandyKiss]

Ill try to dig up the ex-Pima County homicide Det. of 20 years interview (or someone post it) that basically hates his guts and says the reason so many left was him and the avg. homicide Det. left has 2 years experience. Nanos also had an investigation in his last election for putting the guy running against him (another cop) on administrative duty.

I saw this first hand with a lot of buddies during Mayor DeBlasio in NYC. Everyone was retiring to the point the dept.. had to put an actual retirement freeze. And DeBlasio then cut $1B to the NYPD budget and eliminated 2 academy classes. So many guys left. From all I read Tucson seems to have a mini version of that with Nanos.

I don't see this ending well for Nanos, btw, the Feds are going to take over the case now that it has gotten so big and even has many higher ups attention (along w/ the President).

Have you seen this one; it begins at 5:20

 

[ChicagoSleuth]

what the FBI is highlighting / questioning in the pics of backpack is 'frontal chest straps' to secure the pack. I had two of these backpacks, when my backpack was too heavy I'd use frontal straps to distribute the weight correctly.

EDIT TO ADD: just realized the longer strap that is highlighted still has the rubber band thats on it when you purchase it... maybe he didn't realize what this was for?

I think you are absolutely right about that being a chest strap that still has the original rubber band on it (IMO). If it's what we are both thinking, the official term for those are "sternum straps". And what do you know, the Walmart listing for the Ozark backpack (which FBI identified as the backpack from the video) has "adjustable sternum strap" listed under the Key Item Features

• Source: backpack feature being discussed can be seen around the 0:16 point in the first FBI video (
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• Source: FBI confirmed the backpack is a "a black, 25-liter ‘Ozark Trail Hiker Pack’"(FBI releases description of suspect in Nancy Guthrie case, shares photos of backpack)
• Source: Walmart backpack listing (Ozark Trail Hiker Backpack 25 Liter, Black, Polyester, Adult, Teen - Walmart.com)

 

[dogmom805]

Gloves inside the home on Day 12. I just don't get it. Someone please help me.

 

[danablue1]

Gloves inside the home on Day 12. I just don't get it. Someone please help me.

I know seriously how did they miss this

 

[MassGuy]

The other side of the story:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022144321148121599

 

[CandyKiss]

DBM

 

[dogmom805]

If NGs phone was at the house, wouldn't Google maps show the timeline of the phone going to AGs then returning? My phone does that.

I was thiking the same. If they are doing phone ping/tracking,and NG took her phone with her wouldn't they know how long she stayed (unless someone else took phone away from her and moved it)

 

[VegasGirl35]

Gloves inside the home on Day 12. I just don't get it. Someone please help me.

As much as Nanos is getting flack, this discovery doesn't look too good for the FBI either. To miss such an important piece of evidence speaks to incompetence across the board.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

The other side of the story:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022144321148121599

Let’s hope for NG’s sake that it’s more like that. I’m not sure I’m convinced though.

 

[turaj]

Right! If they just found the glove yesterday, it could have been left by any of the investigators who collected evidence before…

It seems pretty sloppy for a criminal to wear a mask, full covered suit, gloves, and then to leave a glove behind. It’s also, certainly possible, though.

Time will tell.

the glove was found early on and sent to a lab and apparently they are now saying it should have gone to FBI.

 

[BrittMontero]

Following crime for years I've seen plenty of police departments not wanting FBI assisting. The Roden case is one. The sherrif said when asked if he wanted FBI to assist, he said "hell no!" I did a search for "is quantico lab faster than private labs". Here's my answer via google.

Why do some law enforcement agencies utilize private crime scene labs?


The Role of Private Forensic DNA Labs

They employ highly trained scientists, invest in advanced equipment, and stay updated with the latest techniques and technologies. Private labs often have the resources and flexibility to expedite testing processes and deliver faster results than government labs.Mar 7, 2024

That could be why the sherrif's department sent them to FL. Besides FBI sending evidence to the FL lab too. Plus Pima Co. Sheriff's office has a contract with the lab that ends in March of 2026.

jmo

The information about the contract with the Florida lab is quite pertinent.

Why would they use Quantico instead of their go-to lab?

 

[Bluewing3102]

The other side of the story:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022144321148121599

Glad to see this- I think everyone is inflating this. Obviously we can't see what's happening on the inside and as a public we feel this entitlement to know everything. Our frustration is pointed at LE as naturally people want to find the hold up. If anyone's been in enlisted in the military it's very easy to understand the thinking of an everyday agent to think leadership is slow or redundant. But reality is not every soldier (agent in this case) may know how it's working at the top of the chain.

 

[BUF]

For people that are looking for a tweet or article on something specific, like has someone been cleared of something….

On the first post of the first page of this thread, just click on “Media Links and Timeline Thread” and you probably will find what you are looking for.

Nice posters seem to be updating this.

 

[BrittMontero]

I happen to think that NG was targeted because of her famous daughter. If you have not see this Today episode it is quite interesting in light of the events.

SG has done other shows with her children featured. I don't know how she will move on after this. This will make celebrities take a serious look at exposing their families to any media.

Yes; saw this earlier on national news. How unfortunate.

 

[dogmom805]

Unless they have suspect in mind and the perp's not a repeat offender, sadly, DNA on the gloves could go nowhere, right? Think JBR.

 

[SaraSmile]

I see that too - 100 searches from Malwaki and 93 in Somalia on January 21st. No other searches before/after that date except of course after February 1st of this year.

Could this be relevant? Some kind of cyber crime ring - 574 arrests and USD 3 million recovered in coordinated cybercrime operation across Africa

Jan 11, plus the crime date Jan 31-Feb. 1. Then it was expanded to all of Jan.

JMO

 

[HoveringWombats]

If anyone's been in enlisted in the military it's very easy to understand the thinking of an everyday agent to think leadership is slow or redundant. But reality is not every soldier (agent in this case) may know how it's working at the top of the chain.

Not just military. The corporate world is like this too. At the low levels, you think leadership are clueless. Once you're in leadership, you realize how much context you were missing before. (Maybe you become a bit clueless too, as you become more removed from the day-to-day work. But it's not the whole story.)

So, yeah, it makes sense to me if people in the field are frustrated and people at the top feel that it's not justified. JMO

 

[HmmMysterious]

12 days to find that glove, this is incompetence happening right in front of us. Unbelievable. At least they got DNA from it. Also to the poster who said Minnesota had too many Somalians ("Somalia aka Minnesota"), how sad is your life for you to say bs like that.

 

[ChicagoSleuth]

DBM (as it seems we are not to reference Google Trends data here)