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Can I please ask why you have two different types? What are the differences between them? Thank you
Nest camera was bought by my son, I ordered Blink by coincidence. They both work equally well.
 
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That is a great find. Please report it in (though they are flooded with reports atm). If you hear nothing back try again after a few days.

Thanks! This article should be pinned and posted somewhere for everyone to refer to as it has a wealth of information. I’ve been the victim of one home invasion, one attempted home invasion (while I was home) and witnessed a neighbor’s home invasion (separate city/state) from previous two above. I also was victim to a front porch burglary (they took all of our porch furniture!) in the same neighborhood where I witnessed the neighbor’s break-in.

We had home security systems (but no cameras) in both locations. We now have Blink cameras at front door, garage/driveway, and back porch. I’ve witnessed a few people (solicitors, etc) take notice of the front door camera as they walk up and seen their behavior shift once the noticed. The cameras are positioned high enough to scan the area but no one can rip them off without a ladder. Highly recommend these cameras (easy installation) and positioning technique.
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Dropping this here as seems to be some confusion r/t being detained versus arrested.
Snipped and BBUM:

“An officer's "brief and cursory" holding and questioning of someone is a detention. An example is a cop stopping someone who is behaving suspiciously in order to ask a few questions. The suspect isn't free to leave, but he also isn't under arrest, at least until the officer develops probable cause. Another common example is an officer pulling over a driver for some kind of traffic or equipment violation.”

An arrest, on the other hand, involves the police taking someone into custody through a more significant restraint on movement. The quintessential example involves the use of handcuffs and an advisement that the suspect is under arrest.”

“Investigatory stops (or "detentions") must be no longer than necessary and officers must investigate with the least intrusive means that are reasonably available.”

*more in depth description/explanation at link:


IMO

Additionally, according to one of the MSM news channels reporting live last night, anybody present at a property where a SWAT search event occurs, is detained by default.

JMO
 
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Right now they have no way of knowing if that DNA is in any way connected to a CRIME. They can’t upload information w/o some warranted basis to attach random DNA to a suspected crime.
The home/crime scene was released back to family originally within a few days after the disappearance wasn’t it? That means any new evidence found after that cannot be considered real evidence. It could have been planted to incriminate someone.
 
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Kindly offering a suggestion - if you want to discuss things not officially confirmed please so do via DM's.
 
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That many cops for a lead and no arrests? I’m losing faith in this investigation.
 
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To be fair, many cases make national headlines without being related to a celebrity. An elderly person and ransom notes make for national headlines even without the celebrity aspect.
The ones that have a sympathetic or offbeat "angle". PREGNANT woman disappears, COED mass murder, CEO of company gets gunned down in Manhattan, PAGEANT child abducted from home, PRETTY blonde girl disappears from class trip, MOTHER OF CELEBRITY missing . Ransom notes definitely add to the intrigue Just the amount of crimes sleuthed here on WEBSLEUTHS vs the amount of national scrutiny given by the media to 1000's of missing people should tell us that this is also a ratings grabber for the networks and the length of this 24/7 almost exclusive coverage has become excessive. . and not discernibly productive. JMO
 
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That many cops for a lead and no arrests? I’m losing faith in this investigation.
I didn't think it was possible that we'd have a repeat of the first SWAT incident. 😞
 
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That many cops for a lead and no arrests? I’m losing faith in this investigation.
I'm afraid this case will go cold. 😢 I hope I'm wrong.
 
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No POI so no suspects = no photos of people that are innocent at this time

Thread will get closed for a massive clean up because of it and then we will miss important information if it breaks during that time

Think before you post ask this question , " am I posting because I want to be right when all is revealed or am I posting because I think it will help find Nancy " which of the two is more valid 🤔

Jmho
 
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dbm
 
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I'm sorry but it seems to me that the sheriff's office is jumping the gun on tips. Sealing off entire neighborhoods based upon receiving a tip? What a shxt show. Sheriff's office should turn the entire case over to FBI and just provide support backup. It's making the SO look incompetent. Not creating a good image for them at all!!
 
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This is so disappointing. The amount of resources used last night....wow. I really wonder just how much they vet information before getting Swat and dozens of police and FBI agents on a scene for hours on end.


As far as the media ... they reported what LE was doing last night. The media wasn't getting peoples hopes up. No one should be getting hopeful until LE or FBI comes out and says we found Nancy and we have solved this case.

If the media did not report what was going on last night...people would then say "What are they trying to hide? Why aren't telling us what is going on?" I swear sometimes people just can't win including the media. No matter what they do.



My most important question is Where is Nancy? ):

jmo
 
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Two weeks in and no idea where NG is. I want to say her name but we've been told to use initials. 😢
I finally got some decent sleep last night, as I just had to take a break from this utterly confusing and mind boggling story.
Will she ever be found?
Will we ever be told what happened?
Will people be held accountable?
I'm hardly sure of reality at the moment.
 
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Imo—that was big reason behind SG calling Mark Kelly—she needed someone with some clout to ensure a professional FBI team.
She didnt need Mark Kelly. The FBI are invited in by local LE. IIRC, he visited law enforcement and brought donuts...
 
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I really don’t understand why typical procedures haven’t been followed here. Normally LE investigates the family first, gets them eliminated, then expands the circle. Is he star struck? (No offense) Is he just blindly believing their stories without corroborating? Just because of who they are? This would be a mistake.

We’re on day 12 now. The old rule is they need to find someone within 48hrs or the chances of finding them alive drop substantially.

This going back time & time again to search these homes just feels like incompetence to me. Why not seize the properties for 24-36hrs, get everyone out, search & run every test they need to run? Then release them back to the family.

This allowing people to tromp all over these homes, live in them, etc., while they repeat searches after the crime scene is contaminated seems somewhat useless.

I’m not saying the family has done anything. But they should have ELIMINATED all of that doubt right out of the gate.

Now it seems we have a war of egos going on. What a mess.
This really isn’t unique—conflict between layers/areas of LE. One reason why 9/11 happened was conflict between CIA and FBI over terrorism activity. You can see it in movies and read about it in fiction and non-fiction. By the nature of the job, most local LE are territorial and often don’t work well even in local jurisdiction crimes—like city police and county sheriff’s dept. Because this is (as far as we know a local crime) the FBI isn’t the top authority. If NG had been moved across state lines or into MX (with certainty), THEN the FBI would be the top. For now they are in the “assist” position—the wing man. While the FBI has greater manpower pool, deeper pockets, more forensic and logistic resources, the county sheriff is the orchestra leader.
And it sounds like he is tone deaf…too bad for Guthrie family.
 
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