• #43,081
The couple said they have four Ring cameras on their property, and that the one that is closest to Guthrie's home said “not available” when they went to look for footage from the overnight hours on the day of the abduction.

I believe they are claiming that when they went back and looked later, they noticed that one camera wasn't recording at the relevant time.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made about a possible wifi/internet outage in the area.

I believe investigator were likely attempting to corroborate some information they might have been told. By asking various neighbors if they noticed any disruptions. MOO

Maybe someone purposely disconnected that camera so it wouldn’t show anything? Not knowing if this is the home the FBI have been to multiple times? They would be able to find out, I believe from the security company, right? Maybe it’s nothing, but seems off to me.
 
  • #43,082
Obviously I can't say this with certainty, but I'd imagine if NG didn't have a subcription for the camera, she likely didn't have a cellular backup either (if Nest has such an option)
I agree completely.

I was wondering about the neighbor's camera and the fact he/she said that period of time was unaccounted for or the camera wasn't operating.

My thought was that this theoretical jammer jammed not only the WiFi but the cell service between Ring (or whatever camera service) and the provider's network.
 
  • #43,083
I've asked this before and not sure if it's been answered. Was NG removed from her home in her pj's/nightgown? Does anyone know if the perp made her change clothes?
 
  • #43,084
Wifi jammers have a fairly short range, especially the type you can carry around in your pocket. They won't knock out an entire neighborhood. They might not even knock out an entire home system, just the parts nearest the jammer. Think 50-100 feet or so, depending on model and power. That part could be important in this case.

They are also illegal for anyone to own, sell, or operate under federal law. Since they work by flooding the typical wifi bands of 2.4GHz/5GHz with noise, they can also be detected as they leave an unmistakable signature.

Think of it like a digital hurricane. Nothing else can be heard over it.

This is why EVERY home security system needs to include a hard wired ethernet component to complement wireless. Criminals are increasingly using jammers, which unfortunately aren't that hard to find if you are truly determined, regardless of the fact that they are strictly illegal.

A camera that is hardwired to the router and goes through a cable is unaffected by any jammer, and will record to the cloud, send notifications to your phone, and continue to operate normally even in the case of a jammer attack. Some even detect jammer attacks (because of a sudden flood of information on 2.4 or 5 GHz bands which can ONLY be a jammer).

Everyone should know this for their own security. ANY wireless camera is pretty easy to take offline by these criminals.

Now, if only the one camera on the neighbor's house closest to NG's house was affected that is solid evidence of a portable jammer. It could also explain why cameras reportedly went offline yet captured images later on.

As the perp walked around the house the radius of the jammer would move as well, causing its effects to travel. It would also suggest where the perp was and when, as most systems will tell you in the event log when exactly they went offline.

Moral of this story: install hard wired cameras. They are harder to install but jammer proof.

All of this means this is more likely to be a lone perp. Walkie talkie suggests a second person. Wifi jammer doesn't move the needle either way, but it doesn't support a second person the way coms would.
 
  • #43,085
JMO, but I don't think the perp's intention was ever to shoot Nancy. I also don't feel that she was SAed. The sheets, tarps may have been brought to wrap her up in for on the way out and to keep the car/trunk free of NG's dna. And they may have been used to bury her later. All jmo.
 
  • #43,086
I've asked this before and not sure if it's been answered. Was NG removed from her home in her pj's/nightgown? Does anyone know if the perp made her change clothes?
l don't recall her clothing ever being mentioned by LE or media.
 
  • #43,087
In Tucson, the garbage cans must be taken to the street. JMO
Well, believe me, if you have say, municipal pickup, and you have a disability, with proper medical documentation, they will come to your yard. Similarly, some areas where i live have NO MUNICIPAL pickup and must private pay. For an additional fee, they will come down the driveway. JMO
 
  • #43,088
Wifi jammers have a fairly short range, especially the type you can carry around in your pocket. They won't knock out an entire neighborhood. They might not even knock out an entire home system, just the parts nearest the jammer. Think 50-100 feet or so, depending on model and power. That part could be important in this case.

They are also illegal for anyone to own, sell, or operate under federal law. Since they work by flooding the typical wifi bands of 2.4GHz/5GHz with noise, they can also be detected as they leave an unmistakable signature.

Think of it like a digital hurricane. Nothing else can be heard over it.

This is why EVERY home security system needs to include a hard wired ethernet component to complement wireless. Criminals are increasingly using jammers, which unfortunately aren't that hard to find if you are truly determined, regardless of the fact that they are strictly illegal.

A camera that is hardwired to the router and goes through a cable is unaffected by any jammer, and will record to the cloud, send notifications to your phone, and continue to operate normally even in the case of a jammer attack. Some even detect jammer attacks (because of a sudden flood of information on 2.4 or 5 GHz bands which can ONLY be a jammer).

Everyone should know this for their own security. ANY wireless camera is pretty easy to take offline by these criminals.

Now, if only the one camera on the neighbor's house closest to NG's house was affected that is solid evidence of a portable jammer. It could also explain why cameras reportedly went offline yet captured images later on.

As the perp walked around the house the radius of the jammer would move as well, causing its effects to travel. It would also suggest where the perp was and when, as most systems will tell you in the event log when exactly they went offline.

Moral of this story: install hard wired cameras. They are harder to install but jammer proof.

All of this means this is more likely to be a lone perp. Walkie talkie suggests a second person. Wifi jammer doesn't move the needle either way, but it doesn't support a second person the way coms would.
I believe the jammer is in his backpack and the outline seems partially visible. The pocket could have a walkie talkie. Both can be present here.
 
  • #43,089
l don't recall her clothing ever being mentioned by LE or media.
I remember Nanos stating early on that she was taken from her bed. He then said he meant it figuratively. Could he have slipped and meant she was taken in her bedtime clothes?
 
  • #43,090
The FBI were back out in Nancy's neighborhood yesterday and a street they were seen going down was E Camino Miraval.

There was a Larceny reported Sunday January 25th at 6:07 a.m.
in the 2500 block of E Camino Miraval - just 4 minutes away from Nancy's.

That was exactly one week to the day that Nancy went missing.
 
  • #43,091
I remember Nanos stating early on that she was taken from her bed. He then said he meant it figuratively. Could he have slipped and meant she was taken in her bedtime clothes?
It's possible.
 
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I've asked this before and not sure if it's been answered. Was NG removed from her home in her pj's/nightgown? Does anyone know if the perp made her change clothes?
To my knowledge, we don't have that information. JMO
 
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@Napoli

The point I was making about Nancy's garbage cans is that they are in the same enclosure that her breaker unit is. You can't see them in the previous picture but they are in that enclosure. See pictures at link.

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Since Nancy has limited mobility and has hired help around her home it is not a stretch to think that area would be easily accessible to someone since her garbage cans are kept in there.

Awfully high up! Did the perp climb up there? How did he turn electricity off? If you are assuming it was turned off, I am asking by what means did he get get up there to access it? Not buying any disruption of electricity. JMO
 
  • #43,096
I feel uncomfortable saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway: a body bag would probably be lightweight - but it might not explain the blood on the porch, unless it wasn't zipped all the way.
If NG did not leave that house under her own steam, I've thought about the blood drops on the front porch and walkway, and I do think it might be the result of a (partially) covered body being carried out of the house, perhaps in a fireman-type carry. If she was slung over the perp's shoulder, he wouldn't necessarily notice the blood dripping out of a bag onto the ground, especially in the dark.

I don't think the perp would have brought an actual body bag. For one thing, it would be an incredibly suspicious purchase. Tough to come up for an innocent reason for buying one of those.

I think it's entirely plausible that there was some type of poly tarp in the backpack.
Heck, even a plastic lounge cover would work.

JMO.
 
  • #43,097
I looked it up and Google says all radio communications including gps, wifi, and cellular service. That's interesting.
Does that include walkie talkies that transmit on radio frequencies? Just want to clear that up. TY I dont think there was a walkie talkie either. BTW.. JMO
 
  • #43,098
I am guessing some family photos for sure. I am also going to refer you to that Instagram video SG posted of an old home movie showing her mom and AG and herself. It was odd and seemed out of place. I initially chalked it up to grieving. However, I then thought this was like an acknowledgement from SG that perhaps a corresponding still photo was missing from the home. I cannot find it anywhere I look. It was online and on TV. Anyone know where to look? JMO
I think it was on SG’s instagram page.
 
  • #43,099
I remember Nanos stating early on that she was taken from her bed. He then said he meant it figuratively. Could he have slipped and meant she was taken in her bedtime clothes?
Pure speculation that she was removed in whatever she was wearing. I doubt she would voluntarily change clothes in front of a strange man.
 
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How close to Nancy's home?
Brian didn’t say which neighbor or even if they live on the same street or just live in her neighborhood.
 
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