• #9,481
Why would NG enter her home via the garage and not the front door? This has been bothering me. The entire garage situation is bothering g me.
I’m a little younger than Nancy and I walk with a cane. When I get dropped off at night, I always enter through my garage. It’s very dark here and going through my garage provides a lot of light and the smoothest walking path for me.
 
  • #9,482
Why would NG enter her home via the garage and not the front door? This has been bothering me. The entire garage situation is bothering g me.
We haven’t used our front door since we moved here 35 years ago. We have always come in via our garage. I don’t even carry a key to our front door. The only people who come to our front door are visitors.
 
  • #9,483
Why would NG enter her home via the garage and not the front door? This has been bothering me. The entire garage situation is bothering g me.
When homeowners have an attached garage, it is very rare to use the front door unless you went out for a walk or were dropped off by someone, i.e. you weren't driving. Our "front hall" closet - typical "coat closet" - is in the back hallway leading to the garage. The only people who use the front door are guests.
 
  • #9,484
AMPM, IMO.
I think you’re right! And I looked into the AMPM’s in the area (gas station part is branded Arco) and the image seems to match up to the location at 2800 N Oracle Rd, Tucson, AZ, in my opinion.

This would be 15 min away from NG’s house. It’s southwest and is towards the highway. It’s also in a not so great area of Tucson, kind of seedy with a lot of trailer parks around.
 
  • #9,485
Could the floodlights bulbs been removed or adjusted so they didn’t actually light up? It would be interesting to know when the roof camera was installed and by whom? Is it possible the perp installed it to monitor things?
I guess so but those floodlights are smashed, dangling from the side of the house now.
 
  • #9,486
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The only benefit from her death may be an inheritance. Maybe there was some conflict at dinner or a relative asked to lend or give money.
 
  • #9,488
Yup
However, here's a thing I posted a few days ago which has bugged me

Why did NG take an uber to dinner that fateful Sat night?
Hunh - who makes an 84 yr old do that?
Even if she wanted to, I wouldn't let my 84 yr old mom to take an uber.
You might just have the one in a thousand weirdo driver be her driver
Just me I guess

And then she's driven home by the daughter and/or SIL
Which kinda proves my point

Yes I've seen a few people that bothered. It's definitely not just you.

It doesn't bother me because I can think of a few scenarios where it could be normal, eg mom wants to arrive before SIL gets home, AG has already had a couple glass of wine. Or AG also doesn't like driving at night. SIL only gets home just before NG is leaving so offers to go e her a ride.

But I also can't think of a reason why it would be suspicious. Maybe not very generous at worst, but (genuine question not rhetorical) how do you see it as potentially connected to the crime?
 
  • #9,489
Let's say they did the ransom letter to stall, or delay the search.

They send the 1st one on Monday with clear deadlines and say they will not communicate again. They have not been found as of yesterday. So why send the 2nd one? The 1st is already creating the delay, has deadlines, the 2nd one, we don't know what is in it, but the reporter from the local news said it had no new deadlines in it. I don't know why they would bother with the 2nd one if the 1st one was already accomplishing the distraction.

JMO
I strongly agree with this. I don't see them needing it as a distraction. If you've committed a crime and are trying to evade law enforcement you distance yourself from the crime and stay under the radar. It's seems like the author of this note is purposely seeking attention. We've seen criminals before who find thrill in feeling 'smarter' than LE. They enjoy the thrill of the cat and mouse game. And they enjoy the media attention and notoriety.

JMO
 
  • #9,490
Convenience/might be easier to walk in, especially if it's brightly lit and requires less steps. From footage we've seen, there would be enough room to pull another car in, putting her very close to the door from inside the garage into the house.
It may have been quicker to get in the house rather than the time it takes to unlock the front door. I know lots of people who enter through the garage rather than front door when they’re not in a car, and I’m one of them, since it’s quicker for me and that’s where I take my shoes off. Maybe the parts of the house she mostly uses is more easily accessible, due to the difficulty with her mobility, going in through the garage. MOO
 
  • #9,491
I was referring to a comment made by The Word of God in the link on Massguy’s post.(see link above).If you go to The Word of God ‘s posts on X there is a pic of a white van , in his January post.He had commented that “ grandma Gauthier could be found in an abandoned warehouse , seen in a pic he posted.Sounds like a very weird dude!
there was some other dude on X saying she was at the bottom of a neighbor's well... All weirdness is coming out :(
 
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We haven’t used our front door since we moved here 35 years ago. We have always come in via our garage. I don’t even carry a key to our front door. The only people who come to our front door are visitors.
The past four houses we've owned, we never used the front door. Garage door was in front of where we parked in the driveway.
 
  • #9,494
I guess so but those floodlights are smashed, dangling from the side of the house now.
Sorry, I did see the one set of lights were damaged/smashed, but didn’t know if all outdoor lights were? Or indoor cameras? The doorbell camera was battery operated and removed, what camera detected moved after that was removed?
 
  • #9,495
Convenience/might be easier to walk in, especially if it's brightly lit and requires less steps. From footage we've seen, there would be enough room to pull another car in, putting her very close to the door from inside the garage into the house.
Agree. I rarely ever enter my house from the front door. I park in the garage when driving or if someone drops me off, I open the garage door with my phone and go in that way.
 
  • #9,496
The flood lights being destroyed is interesting. I’m guessing they’re asking if anyone close to Nancy knew about that. If it was damaged before she went missing - the person close to her may have also known about that (in the family) beforehand or they caught it via the media although the media, I don’t think, ever picked up on it and reported about it. Would someone actually damage them before they went in and kidnapped her. I doubt anyone went up on the roof at 2am and smashed them. Let’s say the SIL was involved, maybe someone did all this when she was away for a few hours that day. I guess flood lights would help a camera see them. It doesn’t sound like the doorbell detected that someone was at the residence before 2am. Then again, you never know.

They could end up arresting someone and never get to the bottom of who was sending the ransom letters. We may end up with suspicions that the person who did it was also behind them but we never get any hard evidence. I swear if the SIL and daughter are behind this, oh, boy… The media will have a field day looking into these two.
Yes, seeing the actual photo of the smashed flood light is alarming. It was hit so hard with an object the brick is even damaged. When there were initial reports of a broken flood light, I was picturing just a non-working light or maybe a broken light lens or cover. Not completely smashed in like that. Clearly intentional and not an accident.

flood light smashed nancy guthrie.webp
 
  • #9,497
I worked for a CPA firm for 51 years. We would never give thought to exploiting our clients. People with modest incomes as well as high incomes especially those that have lived in the area for 50 yrs have long established professionals they work with all the time. JMO

Not all people who provide financial oversight/help/assistance are trustworthy, credentialed professionals.

I wasn't talking about that angle, anyway...you misunderstood my point.

What I'm talking about is the fact that this is the time of year when individuals are receiving a lot of financial statements detailing transactions that have occurred over the past year, and it's possible that NG had noticed something that didn't make sense to her or that she was questioning.

JMO.
 
  • #9,498
I strongly agree with this. I don't see them needing it as a distraction. If you've committed a crime and are trying to evade law enforcement you distance yourself from the crime and stay under the radar. It's seems like the author of this note is purposely seeking attention. We've seen criminals before who find thrill in feeling 'smarter' than LE. They enjoy the thrill of the cat and mouse game. And they enjoy the media attention and notoriety.

JMO
I agree.
 
  • #9,499
Is this stating one of the two individuals is who they are looking for as a possible suspect? Both have some sort of id badges, LE would be able to see the details better showing here.
If you don’t have Twitter I don’t think you can see the comments so here is that answer / sorry if already addressed.
JMO
 
  • #9,500
But in any case, it was done by a very cruel person, because it is easiest to hurt a child or an old person who can barely move, those who are helpless. Some loser in life.
 
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