• #10,021
Sorry if this has been talked about or verified, but do they think device on roof was planted by kidnappers?
 
  • #10,022
You may not want to read this theory

it is possible that the kidnappers cut off a finger tip or some other part (like piece of ear) at the time of kidnapping. The second note said where to find where they left it at time of kidnapping. The threat is to send their mother back in pieces.

I would think in this supposed situation the family would appear frantic rather than sad. The wording “this is valuable to us” rather than “our mother is valuable to us” I think says it all.
 
  • #10,023
"This" is very valuable to us.
This as in laying Nancy to rest, and being able to honor and visit her, bring her flowers, speak to her.

I hope I'm wrong in my interpretation of the words SG said.
 
  • #10,024
Sorry if this has been talked about or verified, but do they think device on roof was planted by kidnappers?
We don't know, I've seen it speculated here, though.
 
  • #10,025
I was struck by the “this is very valuable to us”. Does that mean anything else on the surface? Seemed odd.

Wow. They will pay. This is crazy.
Her body 😞
 
  • #10,026
I get this vibe too but why would a kidnapper who hasn't received payment reveal she's dead? That's their only leverage. If they were that desperate to get paid they would've provided proof of life. Could this be some sign of remorse by the author of the ransom?
I think having the body still means a lot. It allows loved ones to truly grieve, find a sense of closure, and honor and celebrate a life by laying someone they love to rest in a meaningful way.
 
  • #10,027
Literally this could be a national security issue if this crap gets out of hand. Imagine terrorists orgs, China, Russia watching right now. They are already plotting who to kidnap.
groan. And I am sure you and I are not the only two thinking about this BIG TIME.
It is just beyond belief how this might mushroom cloud.
 
  • #10,028
Returning the body means admitting murder, it's not the same as returning her alive. What's the point of taking a risk with the body if technology will follow the path of money? I don't believe it.
 
  • #10,029
The latest family video is definitely scripted, but also comes of as some formality? I almost get the feeling they are speaking to someone from another country or continent?
 
  • #10,030
There has been NO confirmation from the police that it was a forced entry

There has been NO confirmation from the police that her medical supplies were left at home.

The sheriff Nanos had confirmed this

Yes, she could still be alive

There has been NO police speaking to the media, so we know what the latest facts are about the disappearance of Nancy.
Instead, a lot is just Media speculation

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she is pointing out what she's heard. That's all. we all know what the sherriff is saying.
 
  • #10,031
My make-believe detective self would love for the siblings video to be a massive decoy that was just made as a distraction while the FBI gets what they need to make an arrest. I can see them disclosing the decoy just to SG. Rambling thoughts…

At the 2nd presser LE firmly said that no one in the family was a suspect. The next day a journalist asked him about TC, he said that they were looking at everyone.

Shifting statements.
Yes, shifting!! This is hypothetical and crazy BUT...What if the ransom scheme is a secret diversional ploy by LE to flush out the real perp? Like maybe LE thinks it IS a fam member who has done this for financial gain/insurance, etc. and this phony ransom scheme was thrown in to flush them out. Maybe they're (the perp) getting a little twitchy worrying if the sibs use any of NG's money/assets toward paying a fake ransom scheme then there won't be any money left to really collect from her estate after they find her deceased?

Sounds outlandish ofc and this would be door #5 in reality lol but this entire situation is just 😳 so anything is possible at this point! Praying NG is still alive and in a hotel/motel room somewhere and they give up her location when they receive the bitcoin!
 
  • #10,032
I had that thought too. That they now know she is dead and they want to simply bring her home. But the "celebrate with her" seemed to suggest she is still alive. So I concluded the family have received a threat to NG's life and are now resigned to paying whatever amount is being demanded. But then the "this is very valuable to us" is a very odd thing to say about a live person being returned :(
As a Christian, a funeral is often called a "celebration of life" and "the only way we will have peace" may mean "closure" - at least they will have their Mother home, properly buried; rather than always being tortured by "where is she". Just my opinions fwiw.
 
  • #10,033
Here's the Harvey Levin interview:

Excellent interview, thank you for posting. No matter what some people think of Harvey Levin, he has seen the first ransom communication, we haven't. And based on that, he has some good information to share. The last statement of his interview is very concerning, and relates to the Monday deadline stated in the ransom note.
 
  • #10,034
JMO - I'm trying to read the body language in the video without sound and i know i will get so much hate for this but am i the only one thinking AG is trying to push some tears out in a very unnatural way?
I know everyone reacts differently in these situations and they must be exhausted but i just noticed this and wondered if anyone saw this too or if it's just me imagining things.
Idk what to think anymore, the whole thing is so confusing and all i hope is that Nancy comes home 🙏🏻
No.
 
  • #10,035
JMO - I'm trying to read the body language in the video without sound and i know i will get so much hate for this but am i the only one thinking AG is trying to push some tears out in a very unnatural way?
I know everyone reacts differently in these situations and they must be exhausted but i just noticed this and wondered if anyone saw this too or if it's just me imagining things.
Idk what to think anymore, the whole thing is so confusing and all i hope is that Nancy comes home 🙏🏻
I didn’t see that. Instead I saw what I’m pretty sure I look like when experiencing intense grief and trying to get my emotions back under control.

I sincerely hope it’s not grief at having lost her mum, but instead all the overwhelming emotions of what the family are going through, and that Nancy is ok
 
  • #10,036
Absolutely. It’s clear they were told she’s dead, and now she’s saying they’ll pay for the body.
If the kidnappers gave that information away, they are utter idiots. The smart thing to do would have been to keep quiet on the death and just insist on payment for Nancy's return, then just disappear with the ransom and leave the Guthries with nothing.
 
  • #10,037
"This" is very valuable to us.
This as in laying Nancy to rest, and being able to honor and visit her, bring her flowers, speak to her.

I hope I'm wrong in my interpretation of the words SG said.
But "celebrate with us"? Idk, i'm not American so i'm not familiar with using celebration in combination with a deceased family member. Is this something common in US?
 
  • #10,038
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I had that thought too. That they now know she is dead and they want to simply bring her home. But the "celebrate with her" seemed to suggest she is still alive. So I concluded the family have received a threat to NG's life and are now resigned to paying whatever amount is being demanded. But then the "this is very valuable to us" is a very odd thing to say about a live person being returned :(

They are people of very strong faith, they may mean celebrate her life, or celebrate her reunion with God, as Christians believe happen when you die and go to heaven. If so, heart breaking because they should be celebrating her birthday.
 
  • #10,039
MassGuy said:
I've never followed a case this complex, but I have followed countless cases. In doing so, it's easy for me to gauge where law enforcement is with an investigation.

Not only am I not seeing an indication that they are lost, but I'm seeing the opposite. We're not seeing all the things we usually see when that's the case.

Press conferences have become more sporadic, no regular press releases, and they're not asking for tips about vehicles or persons of interest.

I see a focused homicide case.

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Mass Guy, you have an excellent track record with crime cases, and I'm so glad to hear you say this. I agree with you that it's a complex case and that she likely didn't leave the house alive. If she did leave the house alive, I cannot fathom NG being alive at this point. And I hope we're wrong. MO
 
  • #10,040
JMO - I'm trying to read the body language in the video without sound and i know i will get so much hate for this but am i the only one thinking AG is trying to push some tears out in a very unnatural way?
I know everyone reacts differently in these situations and they must be exhausted but i just noticed this and wondered if anyone saw this too or if it's just me imagining things.
Idk what to think anymore, the whole thing is so confusing and all i hope is that Nancy comes home 🙏🏻
I saw a lot of pain, shock, and numbness. I’m sure she has read enough to know some people consider or or her husband as guilty
 
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