Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Wsimm]

Re: the church call, I think there are a couple additional theories - one could be that LE just needed a clean/simple reason of when they found out NG was missing and that seemed like something the public would believe. Maybe there's another way they found out that would be too sensitive to tell the public.

The likelihood of a family member or suspect telling LE about the call and it not being true seems really silly, IMO, because it's so easy to figure out if it was actually made or not and by who.

My theory and opinion only….Is that there was a call to AG Sunday morning. The caller may have mentioned NG missing from church services or not mentioned it. I imagine the call was rather short, say under 5 minutes. I’m also imagining the call came from maybe a burner phone and was unverifiable by LE at that time and may still be? I think there was definitely a call and that’s why it was originally mentioned by the sheriff. I think this “probable” phone call is very important to how this all played out on Sunday morning at 11:56am.

 

[txsleuth70]

Same question I keep asking. Why make a video saying they will pay the ransom when they could just quietly pay it?

I think the purpose of the video is to tell the kidnappers they will pay for their mother dead or alive. They want a proper burial.

Or the author of the RN has specifically requested the videos...

 

[Fargo]

Caught this myself (a few posts above), I think it just came back up. Do you see it back up as well now?

I was only getting that message on SIL's name. Other inmates came up just fine. It's now blank again when I search SIL.

 

[SMK777]

If AG and SIL lied about the call, I would assume they are involved with NG’s disappearance. My question is why lie about that call? Why did they want to start the process rolling on looking for NG? It seems like something that could easily be a proven false and I don’t know why they needed to say anything.

I do think they have either been proven to be lying about that or have been inconsistent, which is why chief is one evading the question and why the call isn’t in the timeline.

I suspect similar lying or discrepancies on the issue of who drove NG home because chief also seems reticent to address that specifically.

And this kind of ambiguity is what causes LE to become suspicious.

 

[Chainspell]

I was only getting that message on SIL's name. Other inmates came up just fine. It's now blank again when I search SIL.

Interesting, I was getting it when I just opened up the page, no searches. Might have been a server refresh of some sort, or couldn't handle current traffic.

 

[Vegasgrl]

PLEASE - can someone publish the original timeline next to the updated timeline? Then everyone can see that the church goer's call was removed. Or, we'll have a hundred posts asking about this. I would do it if I knew how.

 

[Cassie P]

Sure. But I think it’s a bit of cognitive dissonance to believe they’d be tech savvy enough to submit the ransom notes via website feedback forms while using a VPN to make them untraceable, yet would lie about about a phone call.

Yes I just made the same point in another comment. Yes the persons handling a murder cover up or kidnapping made some mistakes. Due to being young and inexperienced or amateurs, first time crime.

Person handling the money end is sophisticated, intelligent, tech savvy. So the pieces do not fit very well.

Of course amateurs make mistakes, even smart amateurs. They base the cover up on movies and books. Not on how real LE works. So things look a bit off to LE.

 

[wyome]

The 11 AM thing is not verified. LE didn’t include that.

Right. So why wasn’t this call to family from church member in the timeline from police? Should be easy to verify

This is STRANGE, very strange to leave out of the timeline. I can only think they are leaving it out to coax a family member to set the record straight. Of course it should be very easy for LE to confirm, but I think they want a certain family member to at the very least get uncomfortable.

 

[Recidivist]

If a death is a murder then it's not an accident.
It's manslaughter if someone kills somebody and it's accidental.

Well, what about causing an auto accident, and they charge it as a murder?

 

[birdbox]

I suppose it could be someone young and inexperienced. Making mistakes. Of course the ransom notes are said to be written by someone sophisticated, very intelligent, writes well.

So the pieces don't fit together well. Unless there is more than one person involved. The person handling the kidnapping is young and inexperienced, the money person older and educated, tech savvy. Or we are looking at two separate crimes and perpetrators.

Or perhaps they didn't care if NG lived or not. They figured SG would pay either way. Which is what is happening.

Yeah, maybe AI wrote ransom note. Im just not getting mastermind vibes. Someone who knows anything about moving money knows about bank 10 day holds required. Sounds like his literal first rodeo to me.

 

[louvillian08]

I believe the initial alert is important enough to be included in official timeline... it's the tiny snowball that gets things rolling.

Everything else in their timeline is a timestamped, black and white fact. NG missing church is obviously the first indication something is wrong but you can’t say that it’s 100% black and white. She was not confirmed to be missing/the house empty until the family arrived at 11:56am. Theoretically there is a (small) chance video footage or witnesses in the 11am-11:50am could be important.

The sheriff clearly seems overwhelmed and isn’t used to this level of scrutiny. I think he is simply sticking to the actual, black and white timestamps. Especially if none of their initial leads or theories are paying off.

 

[maskedwoman]

Yeh, most likely. Sadly I don't see any way SG could go back to hosting the Today show or having much of a public profile after this. Both for her own safety and that of her family. There was a situation with a morning show anchor in my country where there was a plot to kidnap and unalive her; she's basically disappeared from the media (although there were some other reasons too for that).

I think that greatly depends on what the motive turns out to be and who did it. Regardless, it will be a long time before she feels like anything approaching normal, for sure.

 

[LarryLujack]

Delete if not allowed. What if an ex-neighbor was caught trespassing? Someone that knows the area very well. And the house. And the house they used to live in which was across the street? The same house nobody answered at today when LE was knocking? And the ex-neighbor just happens to work for one of the largest medical device companies in the US...with their top product being...pacemakers? Do we know the brand of NGs pacemaker?

say what...

 

[InkyEvie]

Well, what about causing an auto accident, and they charge it as a murder?

Per the DOJ, "murder" involves intention. IMO

Justine Manual - Murder Definition

"...defines murder as the unlawful killing of a human being with malice, and divides it into two degrees."

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

You and probably thousands of other curious people. lol

They probably shut it down. IMO

It's working now.

I just tried and it's shut down. Interesting. Maybe they are getting more traffic than normal and can't handle it.

 

[mikeshanty]

This is STRANGE, very strange to leave out of the timeline. I can only think they are leaving it out to coax a family member to set the record straight. Of course it should be very easy for LE to confirm, but I think they want a certain family member to at the very least get uncomfortable.

It might not be "verified" in the slide deck timeline they presented, but sheriff is on the record as saying someone called the "children" at 11AM to say she had not been at church. You are absolutely right this is very odd to leave out from the timeline.

 

[Wishbone]

Murder definition: the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person
Accidental: didn't mean it to happen.

What Is Involuntary Manslaughter?​

Involuntary manslaughter generally occurs when someone unintentionally causes another person's death. It's a less serious form of homicide than murder.

https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/involuntary-manslaughter/

 

[SaraSmile]

Chris Watts, now there's a name i was hoping to forget for all eternity.

Ugh, I thought of Chris Watts too! Horrible. jMO

 

[Sadi]

I believe it was the Daily Mail. Relevant parts:

A source told DailyMail that she hasn’t been to the church in person since the COVID-19 pandemic, instead choosing to worship online. Church leaders said they are not able to confirm who, if anyone, from the church called Nancy’s family to report her absence.

“All we can tell you is that Nancy has been a member here for many years. She’s part of our community and we love her,” said Ed Coates, administrative assistant at St. Andrew’s Presbyterian Church.

“We’re praying for her. And that’s really all that we have to say right now. I’m sure the media will know before we will, you know, how the story unfolds, but we’re praying for her safety and praying for her family.”

He added that he wouldn’t put much focus or thought into her nor personally attending the services.

“Well, a lot of the older folks in particular like to worship online, particular those that have mobility issues. So it’s just as likely that might have been the case rather than here in person. But once again, that’s not something that we can quantify,” he added.

Shocking truth about mystery tip off that sparked Nancy Guthrie search

Fresh doubt has been cast on the tip off that first led to alarms being raised over Nancy Guthrie's shock abduction this weekend, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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@Luna20

It’s in the recent posts. I’m watching the game and can’t keep up with the pace.

Thank you so much. I’m sorry to throw things off track, but trying to remember everything is getting overwhelming. I’m going to do my best to get caught all the way up and maybe some sleep tonight, no guarantees.

 

[cckp72]

Do we know what time the church service started? If it was at 10, and a friend saw she wasn't there and called the family after it was over would make more sense than if it started at 11 and the friend alerted the family 2 minutes after the service started.