Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[iamshadow21]

I think some people want to think is that it is a cover-up - not an actual kidnapping at all.

I think it's less about wishful thinking and more that the information that is publicly available and the actions of law enforcement make it really ambiguous as to whether the disappearance of Nancy and the ransom demand are the work of the same person/s.

MOO

 

[cady]

Rote response. I don't think it had any specific meaning behind it.
IMO.

The statement included no searches, but a "solution" Makes no sense whatsoever. JMO

 

[ttjo]

Something was obviously flushed.

it would be good to find out if she had a working septic tank or if she had plumbing. She has had a septic field and then a tank and then I wonder if she was plumbed in to the city, And if you are plumbed in now. Doesnt your tank if no longer in use have to be removed or at least locked off?

 

[Strangeworld]

Chief Executive said solution is imminent. Interesting choice of words.

Sorry, I must have missed this - who is the Chief Executive and where was this said?

Edit: oh you mean Trump?

 

[Monepone]

it would be good to find out if she had a working septic tank or if she had plumbing. She has had a septic field and then a tank and then I wonder if she was plumbed in to the city, And if you are plumbed in now. Doesnt your tank if no longer in use have to be removed or at least locked off?

She's in an area where people only have septic tanks.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

it would be good to find out if she had a working septic tank or if she had plumbing. She has had a septic field and then a tank and then I wonder if she was plumbed in to the city, And if you are plumbed in now. Doesnt your tank if no longer in use have to be removed or at least locked off?

Where I live, yes either removed or filled.

 

[ttjo]

Dbm

 

[TristanP]

it would be good to find out if she had a working septic tank or if she had plumbing. She has had a septic field and then a tank and then I wonder if she was plumbed in to the city, And if you are plumbed in now. Doesnt your tank if no longer in use have to be removed or at least locked off?

See below:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020564025726132378

 

[ttjo]

She's in an area where people only have septic tanks.

Ahhh ok, then thats pretty good confirmation ,
Thats why they would use a stick, b/c you couldnt see to the bottom of it, if it was actively being used.

 

[ttjo]

Mine at the lake is 3 ft across and the lid sits about a foot of the ground., doesnt even touch the earth

 

[Bodhi]

Sorry for presenting this awful thought—
but, I hope all the wheeled trash bins have been accounted for at NG’s home?

I just recalled another case here where a killer attacked and placed the victim in one and wheeled the bin off the property into a van, so that the victim was later reported missing. I believe the perpetrator dumped the bin (with her remains) in some rural area.

I know, horrible.

I just read tonight about a murder victim's body transported in a similar way. The body was only discovered when a woman told officers investigating a tip that she had seen people pushing a wheeled trash can behind an abandoned building at night. This victim was hidden only a block away from where he was killed but it prevented his recovery for weeks.

A Mass. man was found dead in a trash can in S.C. Here's what we know.

David Hutchinson set out for South Carolina in hopes of striking it rich. Weeks later, the Massachusetts man was found dead in a trash can.

www.boston.com

Interesting idea. The topography in NG's neighborhood makes putting a body in something with wheels and pushing it a long distance to a disposal site feasible without risk of being seen or recorded. The roads are well paved. There's little through traffic in the neighborhood. Late at night, it's unlikely a vehicle would come along. If one did, the headlights would be visible from a long way. The plants and dark-sky lighting shield activity on the road from security cameras or any night owls in the neighborhood. A murderer could get the victim's body well beyond the immediate area of the victim's house and place the body in a remote area. Then wheel the container someplace else along your route to a main road. Continue on the road to a main road by foot or cross-country.

 

[Charlot123]

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I don't totally disagree with you about the messiness of it. But SG's pockets are quite deep, compared to her sister who I have read in other posts may be in debt with her husband to some extent, and live in a home worth under $1M compared to SG's real estate and net worth.

I think under certain circumstances, not least of which the strain and stress of being a primary caretaker, could affect this calculation for them.

I also think it's worth pointing out that anyone that tries to harm a family member probably isn't in their right mind in the first place, or a good person

Amazing post; you have managed to verbalize everything I have been thinking of in a delicate and eloquent way.

I am thinking that (allegedly) feeling their mom is not with them, one question that kids ask themselves in such a situation would be, “what would have our mom wanted or chosen?”

And I have a feeling that they might have arrived at a certain consensus there. Or maybe prayed and got their answer.

About trying to harm a family member - yes, either the person is not in the right mind, or is inherently weak and easily manipulated. They can also be a victim of gaslighting who were simply feeling cornered.

 

[Cardgame]

Thank you so much! I don't think I've seen this one and so much gets lost in the fog of war.

For me this video has now been removed.

Is it because I'm outside USA or for everyone?

What was seeming curious about it now with a rewatch , am very interested?

 

[ttjo]

I saw the drone footage of that on a local (AZ, though not Tucson) TV news. The officer poking around in the opening with a white pole had "Sherriff' in yellow lettering on the back of his vest.

That doesnt even look like a septic tank to me, it looks like a grid top with no lock and it looks like it’s open to the air,(it would smell wouldnt it) thats not even safe. Compare to the other one which is a septic tank. Or look here for Tucson About Us ( 3rd picture)
The one hes poking in looks like it’s to catch rain or do they have flash floods?

 

[ttjo]

For me this video has now been removed.

Is it because I'm outside USA or for everyone?

What was seeming curious about it now with a rewatch , am very interested?

Just click on the part that says watch on YouTube and it should play.

 

[Bodhi]

The statement included no searches, but a "solution" Makes no sense whatsoever. JMO

Of course it doesn't make sense. I'm saying there's no there there. The soundbite is not based on inside info. It's patter, it doesn't signify anything. IMO.

 

[tricia]

For me this video has now been removed.

Is it because I'm outside USA or for everyone?

What was seeming curious about it now with a rewatch , am very interested?

It is showing up that you have to watch it on YouTube.
Try CLICKING HERE and see if you can watch it.
It is one of the Sheriff's press conferences.

 

[Arizona 123]

That doesnt even look like a septic tank to me, it looks like a grid top with no lock, thats not even safe.

I'm in Arizona (not Tucson area, so take anything I say with a big dose of salt as I don't know Tucson codes) but I've seen a few covers of that general kind on old septic tanks, and similar on newer. What cries out "Septic tank!" to me is two access hatches seen in the drone video. This site shows a few photos that explain the layout better than I can.

4 Types of Septic Tank Materials

Septic tank collects sewage and treats it by bacterial decomposition and is generally located underground. For a better septic system, a good septic tank is important which depends on the type of m…

theconstructor.org

They vary a lot, I've even seen square access hatches. I've seen small covers on newer ones, BUT, the ones I saw were small hatches within manhole sized ones. I don't recall ever seeing a small cover (smaller than human sized) as the only way in. And BTW, I rarely see locks on them, or even provisions for locks, though I personally think they should be locked.

 

[SlimPickens]

As we get closer to the deadline indicated in the purported ransom letter, it occurred to me that although they said in the latest video that they were going to pay the ransom, why haven't they paid it sooner than the deadline tomorrow so they can get their loved one back sooner? Unless the purported kidnapper stated in his letter that NG wouldn't be given back until that time, it doesn't make any sense to not pay as soon as they said they would.

I have been and still am fairly convinced that this is an actual kidnapping and ransom demand scenario, but the family not paying it thus far (that we know of) - particularly after saying they would be doing so - is chipping away at my confidence in my own eyes and ears right now.

Guess we'll just have to see what the deadline brings.

JMO.

 

[ttjo]

I'm in Arizona (not Tucson area, so take anything I say with a big dose of salt as I don't know Tucson codes) but I've seen a few covers of that general kind on old septic tanks, and similar on newer. What cries out "Septic tank!" to me is two access hatches seen in the drone video. This site shows a few photos that explain the layout better than I can.

4 Types of Septic Tank Materials

Septic tank collects sewage and treats it by bacterial decomposition and is generally located underground. For a better septic system, a good septic tank is important which depends on the type of m…

theconstructor.org

They vary a lot, I've even seen square access hatches. ones. I've seen small covers on newer ones, BUT, the ones I saw were small hatches within manhole sized ones. I don't recall ever seeing a small cover (smaller than human sized) as the only way in. And BTW, I rarely see locks on them, or even provisions for locks, though I personally think they should be locked.

And I guess codes or standards are different everywhere. The open top (thats what it looks like to me anyway) im surprised it doesn't have to be sealed. Maybe it’s all considered private property too so you can have it open to the air like that. Ewwww gross
And the first pic I posted was from Micheal Ruiz twitter(X). page that was posted earlier in this thread.