AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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What does the ransom deadline tonight have to do with announcing an arrest or anything though? Tbh I don't really get the significance of the deadline, maybe why Brian Entin doesn't know the exact time either *shrug*

EDIT: I'm also not sure I understand the significance, if any, of the next scheduled press conference until Thursday.

Sorry if I'm being thick! I just am viewing through the lens of LE wanting to find NG asap and make an arrest asap.
 
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So do Authorities pivot toward recovery rather than rescue today?
 
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“That video doesn’t talk about any sort of deadline,” Winter said of Savannah’s latest video. “There’s no longer any discussion of that.

“There’s a discussion of bringing Nancy home to us so we can have celebration with her. There is no further request for proof of life,” he said.


“We beg you now to return our mother to us, so that we can celebrate with her,” Savannah said in the heart video as she sat by her sister Annie and brother Camron. “This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.”

 
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No press conference. No FBI announcements. No increased reward. No urgency. No monitoring the house. No new searches. I believe those involved know she is no longer alive.
Tragically, yes, but by whose hands?
 
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Those people weren’t kidnapped from their own homes though, were they? Those were sex crimes too.
Not to mention less than 1percent of all murders are statistically committed by a serial killer.
 
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So if haven't been able to by now, I feel this implies there is no kidnap or ransom situation. USA technology is world-leading; the fact they could enter Venezuela without detection and abduct Maduro demonstrates the level of sophistication we are talking about. I'm pretty sure they can track domestic criminals, if they actually exist here.
I agree with you about the implication there is no "kidnapping plus ransom" situation; however, NG is missing, so there is abduction of the woman (or abduction of her body after at the very least SOME level of injury).

I tend to think the ransom demands involve an opportunist who has piggybacked upon a separate crime.

ETA: That said, if my mother were still alive and this involved her, I'd probably want ABSOLUTE knowledge of that before refusing to negotiate. If this is an unrelated crime, it is cruel and subjects an already extremely distressed family to even greater agony.
 
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From the clip: Brian and other reporters haven't been able to find a warrant for the searches that took place at AG's house.
 
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BBM

This is the conclusion/theory I'm coming to as I ponder this rabbit's warren of a case, although I don't think it's necessarily someone local to Tucson.

I'm reading along on almost everything, but I don't think there's much else to say until something gives.

I pray she's alive. I also pray she hasn't suffered. If she is gone from this world, I hope it was fast.
You said it well -- "I pray she's alive. I also pray she hasn't suffered. If she is gone from this world, I hope it was fast." That's absolutely my prayer as well.
 
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From the New York Times article saying that it was noticed she wasn't seen in the pews.




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The NYT doesn't fact check the way they used to. Just my own experience.
Sounds like it's taken from the initial presser.
Time will tell all.
 
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They were in the house 41 minutes. They knew the camera were not alerting the police when the deactivated them It has to be someone in her circle. I know people that have a cellphone backup incase intruders take down the wifi. It has to be someone she knows or knows the property.

This is going off indicators reported that do not definitively confirm human presence. All the data reported --like in other cases-- could be misreported etc. The garage door could be remotely opened. The Ring "disabling" and then subsequent "person detection" is puzzling, even to Sheriff Nanos, who reported it and said he's not even sure that meant a person was detected (My Ring cam pushes "person detected" on deer, moving flags, etc, or if moved by hand). Wifi residential DIY systems are more glitchy as well than say a hardwired POE CCTV system, etc.

So I would take the current timeline with a grain of salt as well as a lot of the muddled reports in this case. I know not too fun for sleuthing but the disclosure in this case leaves little confidence.

Now, saying that I would agree it's someone who is familiar with the property, even in a tertiary way like a worker. The neighbors said she recently had the roofs re-coated, she probably has help w/ the pool and other aspects of the relatively large home, of course her family minutes away surely comes and goes on the property.
 
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The Daily Mail has decided to semi-expose where Savannah and her siblings are allegedly staying. It's a $1.2 million mansion in the Catalina Foothills area of Tucson. It sits in an exclusive gated neighborhood with a guardhouse. They have been there for several days.
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Behind a paywall, but those are the pertinent details.

 
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I could still see it being someone who is obsessed with/wants attention from/wants to hurt or inflict pain on SG. They are local to Tucson and can't reach SG in New York, so they decide to target her family. Maybe they've been stalking both her sister and her mother for a while now. They pick last weekend ahead of SG leaving for Italy and abduct NG.

Sending ransom notes to TMZ ensures maximum publicity of SG's pain. If they really wanted money, they would've contacted her privately and told her not to involve LE. But the way they went about it (TMZ and two local stations) feels like the person wants attention that they can watch on TV and they also want SG to make videos pleading for them to let NG go. It's not really about money--its about spectacle and control and inflicting pain on a person they've become fixated on (the reason could be quasi-political, romantic, or some kind of delusion we couldn't guess).

If the ransom note is real and connected to the abduction then this is the most compelling motive I have seen and makes far more sense than money IMO. Making her do the Instagram etc, it's humiliating plus the torture of worrying about what might be happening to her mother.
 
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So do Authorities pivot toward recovery rather than rescue today?
Imo they have never been conducting a search and rescue. The sheriff all but admitted that in the first press conference a week ago.
 
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The Daily Mail has decided to semi-expose where Savannah and her siblings are allegedly staying. It's a $1.2 million mansion in the Catalina Foothills area of Tucson. It sits in an exclusive gated neighborhood with a guardhouse. They have been there for several days.
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Behind a paywall, but those are the pertinent details.


Interesting - does the article indicate whether AG is also there, or just SG? My experience of the DailyMail as someone based in the country in which it operates is that they often imply things they cannot legally report. It seems odd they would report on SG's whereabouts, unless they are also implying something about SG being alone?
 
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Yesterday a smart poster here was checking the arrest/jail site. It showed as not functional at some point. Anyone monitoring today? I should have saved that screenshot.
 
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dbm
 
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I could still see it being someone who is obsessed with/wants attention from/wants to hurt or inflict pain on SG. They are local to Tucson and can't reach SG in New York, so they decide to target her family. Maybe they've been stalking both her sister and her mother for a while now. They pick last weekend ahead of SG leaving for Italy and abduct NG.

Sending ransom notes to TMZ ensures maximum publicity of SG's pain. If they really wanted money, they would've contacted her privately and told her not to involve LE. But the way they went about it (TMZ and two local stations) feels like the person wants attention that they can watch on TV and they also want SG to make videos pleading for them to let NG go. It's not really about money--its about spectacle and control and inflicting pain on a person they've become fixated on (the reason could be quasi-political, romantic, or some kind of delusion we couldn't guess).
BBM
This is such a good theory. That makes a great deal of sense to me.
Another reason could be jealousy, SG being wealthier, prettier, more famous, etc.
 

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