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Female looking eyes.
I'm struggling to see this - for those saying female looking eyes, what makes you say that? They look male to me, so does body language, gait and body form
 
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Gah, I've missed so much on this thread this mornng!! I only just watched the released door cam footage. A few things come to mind (likely already discussed pages ago):

1. Calm, cool and collected and not in any rush. Doesn't seem nervous. Experienced in functioning under pressure?
2. To me, looks/seems like a young person
3. So only 1 perp? Not 2? He has to be very fit/strong to carry her out on his own
4. He seemed prepared and persistent. The camera obstacle and risk didn't slow him down nor did he move onto another house if just a B&E. He wanted in that house. Reminds me of BK from Idaho 4 a bit in that regard
5. Can't tell his size... build and height? I'll try to read back to see as I'm sure FBI have measurements
6. Sounds like they're saying it's a man, but the face shot looks very feminine to me... the eyes... like wearing mascara???

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He is standing in front of bricks they can measure- they know his height
 
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It’s most certainly a man. No need to even question it
Well, I do question it. I see painted lashes and neatky trimmed, arched brows.
 
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Can't really go much off of that image. A good portion of young adult men in the country would have that type of body frame.
 
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I'm struggling to see this - for those saying female looking eyes, what makes you say that? They look male to me, so does body language, gait and body form
Also, LE/FBI say "HE"
 
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Right? Just remove the camera 1st thing! Instead he goes over and picks freaking flowers to cover up the lens? Is this suspect trying to lead LE to thinking they are amateur?
I think he used the flowers to get a better grip on the camera/doorbell, due to the gloves.
 
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I agree that the mouth looks so strange, like something is stuck on or it’s a black stocking maybe
 
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The eyebrows just do not sit right with me. They're SO dark and thin, but also at times they don't look like eyebrows at all.
 
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Speculative only - again - she has regular work done frequently (regular landscapers+ housekeeper +pool) + the roof was done recently - that's the people who have been in/out that we only know about. House looks large + nice in a nice neighborhood, with a solitary elderly woman resident - someone somewhat known to her/familiar decides to rob her middle of night/steal money ATM and from there it takes a life of its own..whether they accidentally or deliberately hurt or more ...
 
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IMO he’s a male. My partner has really long dark eyelashes (italian) and thick eyebrows, looks like he’s wearing eyeliner. I do believe the mask he’s wearing covers the top portion of the brows, making them appear thinner. It’s really hard to tell but the build and moustache seal it for me.
 
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As someone who has been on the receiving side of federal law enforcement subpoenas at a major tech company.... no. Not all data is retained, and the government does not have access (except to the data that is handed over as part of a subpoena or similar legal process).

If we want to talk about the NSA and Snowden and all of that, it's a different conversation (not on-topic here at all). But for purposes of this case, and federal law enforcement investigating a murder and/or kidnapping, there is no direct government access to that data, and the data is not globally retained forever. (Just trying to avoid perpetuation of conspiracy theories...)
We can agree to disagree. You're right, off-topic.
 
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Well, I do question it. I see painted lashes and neatky trimmed, arched brows.
Part of the disguise? Makeup?
 
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I am just baffled by the activity with the plant before he presumably destroyed the camera...
I saw commentary by ex-LE I think it was, I think he said he tried to grab the bushes to use to conceal /block he camera and when that didn't work he destroyed the camera altogether.
 
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Also, LE/FBI say "HE"
I think it is a male - but the eyes do look female. It could be he is wearing one of those material masks that cover the whole face (and eyes, yet can see) unde the grey mask.
 
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