AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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The blood trail stopping at the edge of the driveway leads me to believe that a car was parked on the circular drive closest to the front door, although interestingly no car is seen in the images/videos of the suspect released today.

Assuming the blood trail stops at the edge of the circular drive directly in front of the porch (as opposed to closer to the driveway leading to the garage - the report is unclear about where exactly the trail ends), it seems that either 1) the perpetrator moved his vehicle into position after disabling the doorbell cam or 2) there was a second person who served as a getaway driver. If the former, it suggests the perpetrator had prior knowledge of the house and knew not to drive within range of the camera. JMO.
 
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I am just baffled by the activity with the plant before he presumably destroyed the camera...
I think he was trying to block it, either in lieu of removing it, or prior to removing it.

He clearly didn’t have an immediate plan, which tells me he didn’t know about it beforehand.
 
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My opinion only:

The video of the assailant is earlier when they are disabling the camera.

Later, they gain entry to the house thru some other means.

Once they get inside 30 minutes later, the abduction is pretty quick.. and she is removed from the front door (where the camera is now disabled) and that is the difference in time.
Oh! Smart thought!
 
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Female looking eyes.
I'm struggling to see this - for those saying female looking eyes, what makes you say that? They look male to me, so does body language, gait and body form
 
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Gah, I've missed so much on this thread this mornng!! I only just watched the released door cam footage. A few things come to mind (likely already discussed pages ago):

1. Calm, cool and collected and not in any rush. Doesn't seem nervous. Experienced in functioning under pressure?
2. To me, looks/seems like a young person
3. So only 1 perp? Not 2? He has to be very fit/strong to carry her out on his own
4. He seemed prepared and persistent. The camera obstacle and risk didn't slow him down nor did he move onto another house if just a B&E. He wanted in that house. Reminds me of BK from Idaho 4 a bit in that regard
5. Can't tell his size... build and height? I'll try to read back to see as I'm sure FBI have measurements
6. Sounds like they're saying it's a man, but the face shot looks very feminine to me... the eyes... like wearing mascara???

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He is standing in front of bricks they can measure- they know his height
 
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It’s most certainly a man. No need to even question it
Well, I do question it. I see painted lashes and neatky trimmed, arched brows.
 
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Can't really go much off of that image. A good portion of young adult men in the country would have that type of body frame.
 
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I'm struggling to see this - for those saying female looking eyes, what makes you say that? They look male to me, so does body language, gait and body form
Also, LE/FBI say "HE"
 
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Right? Just remove the camera 1st thing! Instead he goes over and picks freaking flowers to cover up the lens? Is this suspect trying to lead LE to thinking they are amateur?
I think he used the flowers to get a better grip on the camera/doorbell, due to the gloves.
 
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I agree that the mouth looks so strange, like something is stuck on or it’s a black stocking maybe
 
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The eyebrows just do not sit right with me. They're SO dark and thin, but also at times they don't look like eyebrows at all.
 
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Speculative only - again - she has regular work done frequently (regular landscapers+ housekeeper +pool) + the roof was done recently - that's the people who have been in/out that we only know about. House looks large + nice in a nice neighborhood, with a solitary elderly woman resident - someone somewhat known to her/familiar decides to rob her middle of night/steal money ATM and from there it takes a life of its own..whether they accidentally or deliberately hurt or more ...
 
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IMO he’s a male. My partner has really long dark eyelashes (italian) and thick eyebrows, looks like he’s wearing eyeliner. I do believe the mask he’s wearing covers the top portion of the brows, making them appear thinner. It’s really hard to tell but the build and moustache seal it for me.
 
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As someone who has been on the receiving side of federal law enforcement subpoenas at a major tech company.... no. Not all data is retained, and the government does not have access (except to the data that is handed over as part of a subpoena or similar legal process).

If we want to talk about the NSA and Snowden and all of that, it's a different conversation (not on-topic here at all). But for purposes of this case, and federal law enforcement investigating a murder and/or kidnapping, there is no direct government access to that data, and the data is not globally retained forever. (Just trying to avoid perpetuation of conspiracy theories...)
We can agree to disagree. You're right, off-topic.
 
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Well, I do question it. I see painted lashes and neatky trimmed, arched brows.
Part of the disguise? Makeup?
 

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