AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SaraSmile]

Correct. To add more to this, she purchased (with her husband) in 1975 for 85,000. With inflation over time, that's the equivalent of spending just over $508,000 today.

Source: Inflation Calculator | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Inflation Calculator | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

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[Emerald1328]

I did yup
question
What is a reason someone might prefer a million shorter threads to sift through?

I’ll give you one perspective as someone who still isn’t sure about this longer thread thing I know each case has people that come in late to it that may not know some of the recent developments. It doesn’t bother me when people get on a new thread and ask questions about stuff or request a link we’ve already talked about or stuff that has already been answered. However, with having one big thread, if a person is late to the case and starts reading the thread from the first page, they may reply to some very outdated info if they don’t completely catch up before posting, which then triggers another 10-15 responses of people answering their question, then more posts of it getting rehashed again, etc. I just don’t feel like there were as many outdated posts and duplicate responses to wade through, especially when information is coming in fast so you want to be sure to read every post so you don’t miss anything, when a shorter thread was open.

And to be clear, it is strictly a personal preference reason for me because I can see why most people would like just one thread. If you’re searching for a key word or phrase, just having one thread to search is much easier than 60 threads to search so I do really like that.

 

[Alkali13]

I actually wondered if they could provide the requested crypto but lock it....

My understanding was payment initiated by Thursday, received by Monday. Disclaimer: I know nothing about crypto, but that is my recollection.

 

[jillybean51]

There are so many posts so this may have been addressed already.

What would cause Nancy's pacemaker app to disconnect from the phone?

Out of WiFi range?

 

[Recidivist]

Thank you for this. My husband has a pacemaker, but I didn't know there was an app.

I also have a pacemaker, and I know nothing about an app. I go in every few months and they attach me to their computer and get a reading, such as the percentage of time that the pacemaker has been triggered.

 

[whowy]

I bet the caller has been adamant that their name not be released. Their life will turn into a living nightmare when the press gets a hold of that name.

Maybe NG's church family had planned a special event to celebrate her recent birthday and her intent to attend had been confirmed ?

 

[CandyKiss]

Not sure if someone already mentioned this but regarding the flowers on the ground by the blood at the front door...I just watched on my big screen TV a video (versus looking on my phone like usual) that showed a close up of the Nest cam bracket where the camera was taken from. It looks like on the top left corner behind the bracket is a green stem/leaf. Maybe she had flowers tucked behind the Nest cam as a decoration that got knocked down when the person removed the camera?

This video at 19:28:

Maybe the perp picked the flowers up to block the camera not knowing if it was recording or not? The flowers are fresh, I don't picture NG placing flowers that smell like cat urine in that small space. I noticed she has glass windows next to the door, so if anyone knocked she didn't need the camera for identification.

 

[jvb]

I don't think they would hold someone in a storage unit in Tucson if they expected to return them alive.

I know it's winter, but.....

Some are climate controlled

 

[Emerald1328]

More than dark and brooding, I felt like he looked...tough. Hard. Did I get it right that he's in band? Was that picture of him with other men, the other band members? Maybe they all cultivate that look, which I could understand, because they did all have a similar vibe to me. But, without context, he did look like of rough to me.

I don’t think he has anything to do with it, but I do admit that I initially had a weird feeling when I first saw his picture. I realized, IMO, it’s because to me he looks kind of like Stephan Sterns. Maybe other people subliminally think the same and that’s why they aren’t getting a great vibe from an image haha.

 

[HoveringWombats]

My understanding was payment initiated by Thursday, received by Monday. Disclaimer: I know nothing about crypto, but that is my recollection.

It wouldn't make any sense because crypto does not take days to transfer. It's not like a bank transfer.

I think the dual deadlines is another one of those things where we don't have enough information to have a good quality discussion about it. We haven't seen the actual language of the ransom letter. Some of the descriptions have said things like, if you don't do it by Thursday, X happens and if you don't do it by Monday, even worse thing Y happens. But without actually seeing what was said, we're flying blind. I am pretty confident, though, that it wouldn't be "initiate the transfer on Thursday and we must receive it by Monday" because it's completely nonsensical for Bitcoin. And it's also not "do it by Thursday or do it by Monday" as some people have characterized. It seems pretty clear from the vague details we have that the two deadlines do have at least some differences between them. Not disagreeing that it's a weird way to do it, but maybe not entirely as weird as some people are assuming in this information vacuum.

 

[LisaCougar]

I also have a pacemaker, and I know nothing about an app. I go in every few months and they attach me to their computer and get a reading, such as the percentage of time that the pacemaker has been triggered.

Yep, my husband goes every six months so they can check it.

 

[desert-blue]

Welcome back to power.
as close to Mexico as LA is to Tucson, like i wouldnt want to make the drive in a day, but you could
and personally the longer this goes on the more i think its a botched robbery
i think the BIL i belive is being scrutinized as he's the last person who saw her alive but no i dont think it was him or there would have been more discovered by now

I think it's an hour drive from Tucson to the border.

 

[SMK777]

I'm beginning to think that the alleged call to AG from someone at NG's church was a ruse. Why else would LE not include the call in the official timeline?

Or an error on someone's part. If it was a ruse, it would be significant. Unless LE doesn't want someone to know that.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Another thing on the dual deadlines for the ransom note. I think it can make more sense if you put yourself in the head of a person who truly wants this to be the one and only message they send, with no further communication (largely as a strategy to avoid being caught). In that mindset, I think it actually makes a decent amount of sense to think a little bit about the various ways things could play out, and trying to address them all in the one message you're going to send, so you don't have to come back and send another message later.

I'm not going to ascribe perfect competency or sanity to the person doing this, but I think there's a certain logic that is possibly happening.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Apologies if this has already been posted, but I've been working on developing a timeline and saw that KOLD posted a video with more details about the ransom note they received

The video states that they received the ransom demand via anonymous email at 6:42pm on Monday (Feb. 2). According to KOLD, the second deadline given in the note was 5pm on Monday (Feb. 9).

 

[SaraSmile]

Correct. To add more to this, she purchased (with her husband) in 1975 for 85,000. With inflation over time, that's the equivalent of spending just over $508,000 today.

Source: Inflation Calculator | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Inflation Calculator | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

She bought the house for $85k, worth $1mil now. This means she has $915k pure cash in equity( assuming there are no loans against it). If sold today, she would get $915- realtor fees,taxes, closing costs, so easily end up with over $800k cash. Someone mentioned Annie wanted her to sell, probably nothing sinister, just Mom getting older, maybe downsize, needs more help.

 

[shonyakay]

Maybe I missed it being discussed here but there are reports that a white van was seen in the area and reported by a neighbor of Nancy's in the days leading up to her disappearance.

Savannah Guthrie's Mom's Neighbor Reported Unmarked White Van on Their Street to Police Days Before Nancy Went Missing

Nancy Guthrie's neighbor reported suspicious activity on their street just days before she disappeared. Brett McIntire, who lives across the street from Savannah Guthrie's missing mother, revealed in a new interview that he recently called the police after noticing an unmarked van parked on...

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[Rb1234]

Forgive me this is probably a silly question but I keep wondering, how was a person/movement detected on the doorbell at 2:12am, after it was disconnected at 1:47am?

 

[MissPie]

I also have a pacemaker, and I know nothing about an app. I go in every few months and they attach me to their computer and get a reading, such as the percentage of time that the pacemaker has been triggered.

My cousin just got a pacemaker and it connects to a box beside his bed that transmits to the cardiologist’s office. He doesn’t own a smartphone.

 

[shadowsc]

the really weird thing about this is, if he was not connected to the other ransom request, and money was put in the bitcoin wallet, it would not go to him so how crazy is he? wants 15 mins of fame and jail ASAP?

Exactly. He's just a loon. He didn't even send like a ransom letter. He apparently texted something like did you send the bitcoin, I'm waiting on the transaction. And then called them. Like....pretty asinine way to get yourself a felony that had no upside. It seems like he's just a nut. And a dumb one who used a VOIP connected to his own gmail account!

That data has been huge in some other cases I've followed. I'm not sure we know the model car (s), but that would be helpful in determining if they had that technology.

Brian Entin said in the Megyn Kelly segment, "Um and so they you know they have like normal cars. I think she has a Camry and then there's an SUV." Which...yeah, isn't a model or year so who knows.

The other thought that came to mind was that it's kind of interesting that the ransom note was first sent to two local Tucson local stations. (Shoutout to the one who gave it to LE rather than going live with it.) And then TMZ. If Savannah was the real target (or her money or a crazed stalker fan), you'd think a letter would have absolutely been sent to NBC or the Today Show, almost flaunting. Knowing it would definitely make its way immediately to SG.

The other thing is that if this ransom note is legit, I guess they are just taking their chances and playing poker that the Guthrie family will comply and just pay it without proof. Or, if NG is actually still with the adductor, it's almost like wouldn't the kidnapper just send some type of proof of life because at this point it's pretty obvious the family would likely pay it and negotiate Nancy's return. Even if the family paid it at this point, I'm sure they fear that it's already too late.

I'm sure the family wants to believe the ransom note is real because right now that probably feels like the best chance scenario that their mom is still here. Just a horrible situation.