AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[birdbox]

Also another random thought. Elderly often have paper thin skin and bleed very easily due to blood thinners, etc. So, even a small wound from a scuffle could have caused the bleed. She could have grabbed a vase and tried to smash it on them and cut herself. Who knows. There were some flower looking debris on the front door stooping near the blood.

 

[MarciB]

Latest from Vinnie Politan of Court TV. posted approx 3 hours ago. Per Vinnie, a new roof camera discovered at Nancy's home: WTH? Link here: Vinnie Politan Court TV

 

[Bernie54]

MOO, the ransom scenario is bogus, and no money/bitcoin has changed hands. I don’t think it can be seized the way cash or ETF can be. That’s why criminals love it.

Right, we have no idea whether it’s legit… the reply was with regard to HYPOTHETICAL question originally posed by AJones.

 

[Starkville]

Has anyone any info on if SIL has access to a white van via their band/Work or AG's Jewellery business? First thing I thought of.

Also see a lot being said about a band mate of SIL having multiple prior convictions has this been discussed here yet?

Since he hasn’t been named as a suspect, I don’t think we can discuss this person. However it is public knowledge that he is a member of the band Early Black, along with Tomasso Cioni.

 

[tricia]

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[diggndeeperstill]

I think the best course here would be to assume AJ is telling the truth and that she will return later to confirm, or if she misspoke, to clarify.

So assuming it is true, what does the retention of a white van by LE, with our understanding that a neighbor of NG reported a suspicious white van in the neighborhood, suggest?

To me, not a lot. Nothing. I’d have been hearing of white van in news and hidden it if it were mine and I was responsible. I don’t think it’s involved.

 

[moonbeams]

Thank you. I was thinking the same. Anytime we go out knowing we’ll be home after dark, we always leave our front door lights on. Arizona is beautiful and the dark skies with all of the stars is breathtaking, but I don’t think I’d ever be able to live there because of the restrictions on outdoor lighting.

our outside lighting is either on "timers" on at sunset of at dawn or with a photocell.

also if we are out and arrive home... the home app turns on specific lights inside when our phone is close.

even with our dark sky rules.... we are allowed outside lighting....

 

[SRWCF]

Latest from Vinnie Politan of Court TV. posted approx 3 hours ago. Per Vinnie, a new roof camera discovered at Nancy's home: WTH? Link here: Vinnie Politan Court TV

Apparently it was a neighbor that instructed LE to go back and check the roof!!! I mean . . . it was never checked???

ETA link to CNN where this neighbor was interviewed: Live updates: FBI probing new message in Nancy Guthrie disappearance | CNN https://share.google/S69lqnqgUGBFBUXGV

 

[HoveringWombats]

Can a person even move 7 milion around in less than a week with how much control the government now has on our banking? Heck I think if you play around with a measly 10 thousand you have to fill out forms. Maybe wealthy people are looked at differently and can move large amounts faster than some of us "little guys"? I just couldn't figure out how a kidnapper thinks you can just go into a bank and get 7 million or move 7 million into bitcoin in a couple days. Can it be done if they wanted it done?

Honestly I think the play here, if they wanted to make the payment, would be to work with one of the companies that helps ransomware victims. They should be set up to transfer bitcoin relatively quickly without having to deal with the family literally buying bitcoin and transferring it themselves.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

dbm.

 

[Chainspell]

Doing some catchup this morning and looping back to discussion about the use of forms for sending the ransom notes/unable to send photos, KOLD said they received their notes from a 'send in a tip' form on their website. KGUN and TMZ have similar forms, so I assume it was sent the same way. Only TMZ is able to attach a photo/video, but the sender may not have wanted to risk it even if they wiped EXIF (metadata).

On that note, I was surprised how small TMZ's upload limit was. 25mbs is remarkably small, and they only allow one file. Think 15-20 seconds of video in 1080p. However, that would be enough to provide proof of life, imo....

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Also another random thought. Elderly often have paper thin skin and bleed very easily due to blood thinners, etc. So, even a small wound from a scuffle could have caused the bleed. She could have grabbed a vase and tried to smash it on them and cut herself. Who knows. There were some flower looking debris on the front door stooping near the blood.

On the things people like to think are flowers- if they were truly flowers, don’t you think LE would have taken them into evidence? Although as I say that the Amazon package was there.

I think as others have said it’s sagebrush.

Sagebrush - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SRWCF]

our outside lighting is either on "timers" on at sunset of at dawn or with a photocell.

also if we are out and arrive home... the home app turns on specific lights inside when our phone is close.

even with our dark sky rules.... we are allowed outside lighting....

We have a dark sky rule in my subdivision, as well. The only lights that can stay on all night are porch lights. Any other flood lights, etc. are supposed to be off by 10pm.

 

[su5ie]

May have been mentioned already but did anyone notice SG's brother in the plea to alleged kidnappers is wearing a shirt with similar design on it as the scarf actress is wearing from SOTL movie ? View attachment 642400

Brilliant observation

 

[thefragile7393]

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[jepop]

Aphrodite Jones IS VERIFIED. She is an expert in true crime. She does not need to provide links. She is a friend of Websleuths. Be respectful, or I swear I will turn this car around and will be grounded for LIFE.

Sincere apologies Tricia. I was confused by the differences between case insider verification and AJ's verification as a crime writer. I apologise for disrespecting her or for making her feel disrespected if that has happened. Believe me that was not my intention. I'll see myself out.

 

[SRWCF]

Since he hasn’t been named as a suspect, I don’t think we can discuss this person. However it is public knowledge that he is a member of the band Early Black, along with Tomasso Cioni.

I feel like it is such a stretch to try to rope in the band mate of TC! Talk about guilty by association!

 

[MarciB]

Apparently it was a neighbor that instructed LE to go back and check the roof!!! I mean . . . it was never checked???

I can't believe it either. sheesh

 

[emigrate]

We had to have our roof replaced twice in Texas due to wind and hail. We later discovered that the first roofers were really just the sales guy to sell roofs. They then subbed it out and did a really crappy job. I won't go into details.

That's nervy of the roofers ask to use your restroom. I think that I would have said that I just didn't feel comfortable letting anyone in my home...

JMO.

Nobody coming in my house to use my restroom, take one of your vehicles to the circle k around the corner. Map out starbucks locations or whatever to know where restrooms are close to your job of the day. No way in 2026 anyone coming in my house and using my bathroom. I don't know if you are carrying cdiff and give it to me, that can kill you. Almost died from it, picked it up in the hospital, people I guess have never heard of it.

 

[moonbeams]

We have that ordinance too. Lights can be used if you are outside, and all lights are down lights, no up lights, spotlights. .

and you can bet the next time someone on the local FB group complains about lights that i'll be posting links to this case! a headline popped up on my apple watch the other day... how the night sky ordinance played into NG's abduction