AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[moonbeams]

Thank you. I was thinking the same. Anytime we go out knowing we’ll be home after dark, we always leave our front door lights on. Arizona is beautiful and the dark skies with all of the stars is breathtaking, but I don’t think I’d ever be able to live there because of the restrictions on outdoor lighting.

our outside lighting is either on "timers" on at sunset of at dawn or with a photocell.

also if we are out and arrive home... the home app turns on specific lights inside when our phone is close.

even with our dark sky rules.... we are allowed outside lighting....

 

[SRWCF]

Latest from Vinnie Politan of Court TV. posted approx 3 hours ago. Per Vinnie, a new roof camera discovered at Nancy's home: WTH? Link here: Vinnie Politan Court TV

Apparently it was a neighbor that instructed LE to go back and check the roof!!! I mean . . . it was never checked???

ETA link to CNN where this neighbor was interviewed: Live updates: FBI probing new message in Nancy Guthrie disappearance | CNN https://share.google/S69lqnqgUGBFBUXGV

 

[HoveringWombats]

Can a person even move 7 milion around in less than a week with how much control the government now has on our banking? Heck I think if you play around with a measly 10 thousand you have to fill out forms. Maybe wealthy people are looked at differently and can move large amounts faster than some of us "little guys"? I just couldn't figure out how a kidnapper thinks you can just go into a bank and get 7 million or move 7 million into bitcoin in a couple days. Can it be done if they wanted it done?

Honestly I think the play here, if they wanted to make the payment, would be to work with one of the companies that helps ransomware victims. They should be set up to transfer bitcoin relatively quickly without having to deal with the family literally buying bitcoin and transferring it themselves.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

dbm.

 

[Chainspell]

Doing some catchup this morning and looping back to discussion about the use of forms for sending the ransom notes/unable to send photos, KOLD said they received their notes from a 'send in a tip' form on their website. KGUN and TMZ have similar forms, so I assume it was sent the same way. Only TMZ is able to attach a photo/video, but the sender may not have wanted to risk it even if they wiped EXIF (metadata).

On that note, I was surprised how small TMZ's upload limit was. 25mbs is remarkably small, and they only allow one file. Think 15-20 seconds of video in 1080p. However, that would be enough to provide proof of life, imo....

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Also another random thought. Elderly often have paper thin skin and bleed very easily due to blood thinners, etc. So, even a small wound from a scuffle could have caused the bleed. She could have grabbed a vase and tried to smash it on them and cut herself. Who knows. There were some flower looking debris on the front door stooping near the blood.

On the things people like to think are flowers- if they were truly flowers, don’t you think LE would have taken them into evidence? Although as I say that the Amazon package was there.

I think as others have said it’s sagebrush.

Sagebrush - Wikipedia

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[SRWCF]

our outside lighting is either on "timers" on at sunset of at dawn or with a photocell.

also if we are out and arrive home... the home app turns on specific lights inside when our phone is close.

even with our dark sky rules.... we are allowed outside lighting....

We have a dark sky rule in my subdivision, as well. The only lights that can stay on all night are porch lights. Any other flood lights, etc. are supposed to be off by 10pm.

 

[su5ie]

May have been mentioned already but did anyone notice SG's brother in the plea to alleged kidnappers is wearing a shirt with similar design on it as the scarf actress is wearing from SOTL movie ? View attachment 642400

Brilliant observation

 

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[jepop]

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[SRWCF]

Since he hasn’t been named as a suspect, I don’t think we can discuss this person. However it is public knowledge that he is a member of the band Early Black, along with Tomasso Cioni.

I feel like it is such a stretch to try to rope in the band mate of TC! Talk about guilty by association!

 

[MarciB]

Apparently it was a neighbor that instructed LE to go back and check the roof!!! I mean . . . it was never checked???

I can't believe it either. sheesh

 

[emigrate]

We had to have our roof replaced twice in Texas due to wind and hail. We later discovered that the first roofers were really just the sales guy to sell roofs. They then subbed it out and did a really crappy job. I won't go into details.

That's nervy of the roofers ask to use your restroom. I think that I would have said that I just didn't feel comfortable letting anyone in my home...

JMO.

Nobody coming in my house to use my restroom, take one of your vehicles to the circle k around the corner. Map out starbucks locations or whatever to know where restrooms are close to your job of the day. No way in 2026 anyone coming in my house and using my bathroom. I don't know if you are carrying cdiff and give it to me, that can kill you. Almost died from it, picked it up in the hospital, people I guess have never heard of it.

 

[moonbeams]

We have that ordinance too. Lights can be used if you are outside, and all lights are down lights, no up lights, spotlights. .

and you can bet the next time someone on the local FB group complains about lights that i'll be posting links to this case! a headline popped up on my apple watch the other day... how the night sky ordinance played into NG's abduction

 

[lucegirl]

The case of Corey Binderim is food for thought. He was a handyman with a lot issues - drugs, debt. Kept up a facade as a family man with kids. Generally a likable guy - not a white van creeper. He agreed to help an elderly lady remodel her bathroom. She prepaid him $12K. He then proceeded to spend the money on drugs, alcohol. He started flaking on the lady. She got frustrated that her bathroom wasn’t getting done and started complaining and asking for her money back. She told him she would report him to the police and had an attorney. He went into a spiral because he could not pay the money back and he was about to be exposed as a fraud and drug addict. He was hiding the problem from his wife and 2 daughters, but they were on the verge of finding out. Desperate to cover up this mess he created he went to the lady’s house and strangled her. Took her remains to the dump. He was eventually caught.

Point being - a motive could be payment of a debt - even a small debt. $12k to a handy man or other average Joe with no money could be a pain point for a desperate person to try and make the issue go away. So perhaps the motive revolves around someone she paid for a service that wasn’t done. Going into the house at night and disappearing her aligns more with needing to silence her over something versus breaking in looking for a coin collection.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree with you, and this is the point I have been making.

Gotcha @Cassie P - This thread is moving at the speed of light and I've only been able to check in occasionally.

I personally don't think anyone in the family did it. I think someone who might have known her or the family carefully planned this and the 1st crazy ransom letter may have to throw off LE and the family in the beginning. The longer it goes on the more emotional everyone becomes. Maybe they're not in communication purposely to drive up the anxiety and willingness to cooperate.

But if it's not a legitimate ransom and was just some random stranger abduction, I fear Nancy is no longer with us. What would that prove? They reportedly didn't take anything of value from the home. That makes no sense to me, none of this does.

 

[MarciB]

and you can bet the next time someone on the local FB group complains about lights that i'll be posting links to this case! a headline popped up on my apple watch the other day... how the night sky ordinance played into NG's abduction

people chose to live there for that reason. Probably why most of the neighbors have some type of cameras and alarm systems

 

[allboys]

But why would someone seeking ransom point to the body???

The only thing I can think of is knowing they won’t be paid the ransom due to not being able to provide signs of life, they settled for taking the $50k reward for providing info. that led to her recovery. (Telling LE where the body is). But this possibility seems to be ruled out as the news station indicated the new note does not discuss ransom. Although it could be about semantics… this would be about collecting a reward vs. ransom. Just a thought.

 

[turaj]

Apparently it was a neighbor that instructed LE to go back and check the roof!!! I mean . . . it was never checked???

when all is said and done I think a serious review of the sheriff and the LE done in the early days will require some serious analysis.

 

[Arkay]

You want a lock of your mother's hair or something to the effect .This can be analysised to see if it is from a living or deceased person

I agree with you that proof of life is non-negotiable, but I wouldn’t accept a lock of hair. It doesn’t prove she’s still alive as they could have cut a lock immediately, and I wouldn’t want to wait for lab results to tell me.

I wish there could be an exchange like when hostages or prisoners are swapped in the middle of a bridge or something, but obviously the kidnappers won’t do that and reveal themselves.

I don’t know how it could be done, but I would require speaking to my mother in real time, which unfortunately doesn’t preclude them from killing her the instant the money went through.

JMO